Mccoy Vs. Weeden
-
I've been following the Browns for a couple of years now, basically ever since they picked up Colt, as he made a believer and fan out of me while playing at Texas. I have watched the Browns play pretty much every Sunday that I could, a lot of times on crappy online feed or at a sports bar, since my Time Warner connection didn't permit, at home. I have come to call myself a Browns fan and they are now my second closest followed team, to the Dallas Cowboys. That said, I don't think I have ever seen a sadder story than the one with Colt. He has had a ton of shitty breaks with this team and has tried his best to keep his composure and leadership of the team, amidst a lot of crap from both the organization and teammates (Hillis). The guy deserves at least a nod of respect from the Browns fan base and half of y'all just talk mad shit about him. I get, numbers don't lie and he didn't win, fair enough. And yes, he was taken in the third round for a lot of questionable things, not least of which was his durability (he locked up after the pinched nerve in the National Championship) and his lack of prototypical size/arm strength. You know what, he isn't big enough or strong enough, you're right. But here's what he was/is for you all: A solid QB who had very little continuity at the HC/OC/FO level. A hard worker who busted his ass to fly out teammates and organize workouts/shops during a lockout and shortened season. He was the last guy to leave your locker room/film room and never threw his teammates under the bus. He never found himself in trouble with the law or in questionable situations and he was articulate in interviews and a man of God (and he didn't feel the need to tout it around like everybody's favorite QB in NYC). And the list goes on. For everyone of y'all that say he blows or call him shitty, there are tons of us who remember the kind of QB he was at Texas and who have managed to see him for his several positive qualities, despite his body of work in Cleveland. He deserves better than how he has been treated and hopefully he gets the chance to start again sometime. There are several organizations around the league who would value the type of person and teammate he is and he can be productive for a team, elsewhere. There is a way to treat people and there's a way not to treat people and he has been mishandled. I'll still be following the Browns, regardless of who is starting, because I've become attached to them but I think Colt needs a fresh start elsewhere if he doesn't get the nod in Cleveland because he is better than a backup. And that's coming from someone who has played and respects the game very much.
-
And for all of you armchair QBs talking smack, you should think before you start knocking Colt for his lack of first round skills because there are tons of first round talents who fizzled out on Sundays because they lacked what it took between the ears. Winning football games is more than just having first-round talent. It is about putting yourself aside and doing what it takes for the team. It is about family and unity. It is about hard work and focus. Those are what you look for in a QB, leadership qualities. If you can find a guy who has those qualities and a cannon for an arm, then you can count yourself extremely lucky, but you don't sell the farm for a cannon of an arm or a 6'4 frame. . .you trade up when you find a person of intergrity who has the tools and, more importantly, is a leader of men. Hopefully Weeden can be that QB for the Browns but understand that it is not the first round talent that is so rare; what is elusive is the QB who has both the talent AND the intergrity to lead. When you have a person leading your team who has those qualities, then you can build around them. . .think of New England, you have a usually very egotistical, outspoken WR like Ochocinco (who went so far as to change his last name to gain attention) who, when finally paired with a system that promotes unity, family, and a QB who leads by example, is willing to take a considerable statistical drop in catches, to silence his Twitter account, and to take a paycut just to re-sign. That is the kind of team the Browns can have, but it has less to do with drafting huge talent and more to do with a continuity of team/family mentality from the FO, down. This is the same reason that the San Antonio Spurs have proven to be one of the most winningest teams in major sports, over the last decade. That, and they drafted Tim Duncan, an unassuming leader who proves his worth by silent focus and example. It is important to find the QB, but the "intangibles" are just as important and aren't so impossible to identify, if you really look at the people who win.
-
I've been following the Browns for a couple of years now, basically ever since they picked up Colt, as he made a believer and fan out of me while playing at Texas. I have watched the Browns play pretty much every Sunday that I could, a lot of times on crappy online feed or at a sports bar, since my Time Warner connection didn't permit, at home. I have come to call myself a Browns fan and they are now my second closest followed team, to the Dallas Cowboys. That said, I don't think I have ever seen a sadder story than the one with Colt. He has had a ton of shitty breaks with this team and has tried his best to keep his composure and leadership of the team, amidst a lot of crap from both the organization and teammates (Hillis). The guy deserves at least a nod of respect from the Browns fan base and half of y'all just talk mad shit about him. I get, numbers don't lie and he didn't win, fair enough. And yes, he was taken in the third round for a lot of questionable things, not least of which was his durability (he locked up after the pinched nerve in the National Championship) and his lack of prototypical size/arm strength. You know what, he isn't big enough or strong enough, you're right. But here's what he was/is for you all: A solid QB who had very little continuity at the HC/OC/FO level. A hard worker who busted his ass to fly out teammates and organize workouts/shops during a lockout and shortened season. He was the last guy to leave your locker room/film room and never threw his teammates under the bus. He never found himself in trouble with the law or in questionable situations and he was articulate in interviews and a man of God (and he didn't feel the need to tout it around like everybody's favorite QB in NYC). And the list goes on. For everyone of y'all that say he blows or call him shitty, there are tons of us who remember the kind of QB he was at Texas and who have managed to see him for his several positive qualities, despite his body of work in Cleveland. He deserves better than how he has been treated and hopefully he gets the chance to start again sometime. There are several organizations around the league who would value the type of person and teammate he is and he can be productive for a team, elsewhere. There is a way to treat people and there's a way not to treat people and he has been mishandled. I'll still be following the Browns, regardless of who is starting, because I've become attached to them but I think Colt needs a fresh start elsewhere if he doesn't get the nod in Cleveland because he is better than a backup. And that's coming from someone who has played and respects the game very much.
I've been following the Browns for a couple of years now, basically ever since they picked up Colt, as he made a believer and fan out of me while playing at Texas. I have watched the Browns play pretty much every Sunday that I could, a lot of times on crappy online feed or at a sports bar, since my Time Warner connection didn't permit, at home. I have come to call myself a Browns fan and they are now my second closest followed team, to the Dallas Cowboys. That said, I don't think I have ever seen a sadder story than the one with Colt. He has had a ton of shitty breaks with this team and has tried his best to keep his composure and leadership of the team, amidst a lot of crap from both the organization and teammates (Hillis). The guy deserves at least a nod of respect from the Browns fan base and half of y'all just talk mad shit about him. I get, numbers don't lie and he didn't win, fair enough. And yes, he was taken in the third round for a lot of questionable things, not least of which was his durability (he locked up after the pinched nerve in the National Championship) and his lack of prototypical size/arm strength. You know what, he isn't big enough or strong enough, you're right. But here's what he was/is for you all: A solid QB who had very little continuity at the HC/OC/FO level. A hard worker who busted his ass to fly out teammates and organize workouts/shops during a lockout and shortened season. He was the last guy to leave your locker room/film room and never threw his teammates under the bus. He never found himself in trouble with the law or in questionable situations and he was articulate in interviews and a man of God (and he didn't feel the need to tout it around like everybody's favorite QB in NYC). And the list goes on. For everyone of y'all that say he blows or call him shitty, there are tons of us who remember the kind of QB he was at Texas and who have managed to see him for his several positive qualities, despite his body of work in Cleveland. He deserves better than how he has been treated and hopefully he gets the chance to start again sometime. There are several organizations around the league who would value the type of person and teammate he is and he can be productive for a team, elsewhere. There is a way to treat people and there's a way not to treat people and he has been mishandled. I'll still be following the Browns, regardless of who is starting, because I've become attached to them but I think Colt needs a fresh start elsewhere if he doesn't get the nod in Cleveland because he is better than a backup. And that's coming from someone who has played and respects the game very much.
Since your a new fan ill give you a little piece of advice. Get used to it. Its a reoccurring thing around cleveland. Bring in the new guy, hype up the new guy, high expectations, lack of performance/production, next year will be the year just wait and see, same ol shit or worse, good try, get a new guy. I woulda liked to see McCoy do well but the writings on the wall. I hope Weeden can stop the bleeding and bring us back to life!! Ill keep my fingers crossed lol
-
And for all of you armchair QBs talking smack, you should think before you start knocking Colt for his lack of first round skills because there are tons of first round talents who fizzled out on Sundays because they lacked what it took between the ears. Winning football games is more than just having first-round talent. It is about putting yourself aside and doing what it takes for the team. It is about family and unity. It is about hard work and focus. Those are what you look for in a QB, leadership qualities. If you can find a guy who has those qualities and a cannon for an arm, then you can count yourself extremely lucky, but you don't sell the farm for a cannon of an arm or a 6'4 frame. . .you trade up when you find a person of intergrity who has the tools and, more importantly, is a leader of men. Hopefully Weeden can be that QB for the Browns but understand that it is not the first round talent that is so rare; what is elusive is the QB who has both the talent AND the intergrity to lead. When you have a person leading your team who has those qualities, then you can build around them. . .think of New England, you have a usually very egotistical, outspoken WR like Ochocinco (who went so far as to change his last name to gain attention) who, when finally paired with a system that promotes unity, family, and a QB who leads by example, is willing to take a considerable statistical drop in catches, to silence his Twitter account, and to take a paycut just to re-sign. That is the kind of team the Browns can have, but it has less to do with drafting huge talent and more to do with a continuity of team/family mentality from the FO, down. This is the same reason that the San Antonio Spurs have proven to be one of the most winningest teams in major sports, over the last decade. That, and they drafted Tim Duncan, an unassuming leader who proves his worth by silent focus and example. It is important to find the QB, but the "intangibles" are just as important and aren't so impossible to identify, if you really look at the people who win.
And for all of you armchair QBs talking smack, you should think before you start knocking Colt for his lack of first round skills because there are tons of first round talents who fizzled out on Sundays because they lacked what it took between the ears. Winning football games is more than just having first-round talent. It is about putting yourself aside and doing what it takes for the team. It is about family and unity. It is about hard work and focus. Those are what you look for in a QB, leadership qualities. If you can find a guy who has those qualities and a cannon for an arm, then you can count yourself extremely lucky, but you don't sell the farm for a cannon of an arm or a 6'4 frame. . .you trade up when you find a person of intergrity who has the tools and, more importantly, is a leader of men. Hopefully Weeden can be that QB for the Browns but understand that it is not the first round talent that is so rare; what is elusive is the QB who has both the talent AND the intergrity to lead. When you have a person leading your team who has those qualities, then you can build around them. . .think of New England, you have a usually very egotistical, outspoken WR like Ochocinco (who went so far as to change his last name to gain attention) who, when finally paired with a system that promotes unity, family, and a QB who leads by example, is willing to take a considerable statistical drop in catches, to silence his Twitter account, and to take a paycut just to re-sign. That is the kind of team the Browns can have, but it has less to do with drafting huge talent and more to do with a continuity of team/family mentality from the FO, down. This is the same reason that the San Antonio Spurs have proven to be one of the most winningest teams in major sports, over the last decade. That, and they drafted Tim Duncan, an unassuming leader who proves his worth by silent focus and example. It is important to find the QB, but the "intangibles" are just as important and aren't so impossible to identify, if you really look at the people who win.
Carlos, well though out- and I'm not really dissing Colt. Yeah- he got tossed into a lousy situation last year. New HC, no mini camp, no RT, crippled run support, and receivers that couldn't catch a cold for the most part.
But the NFL is the no mercy league. We lived through Bill Belichick- who is the poster boy for that- sending Bernie Kosar- one of Browns fans all-time favorites packing, if you want to talk uproar. It would have been paramount to the Spurs trading Duncan about 2 years back as a comparison. Yeah, we've been stabbed in the back by Modell, and then by our (or so we thought) favorite son LeBron.
There was plenty of sentiment- myself included- to give Colt another chance with better surrounding talent. H,H&S saw otherwise- and drafted otherwise. Even one of our own posters (Jason J) who breaks down a bunch of tape, was vocal about Colt's limitations as opposed to RGIIIs. I'd say the Browns FO saw things we're not aware of. They know where the hot reads were on a given play, and the routes the receivers were supposed to have run. Was your pre-snap read of the defense correct to set up your pass blocking to avoid getting yourself killed, or have to run for your life? Was there enough zip on that pass to avoid an interception? Was that deep ball underthrown or inaccurate with no pressure and inadequate velocity? It's like Doug Dieken, who does the Browns radio color commentary, and has access to the players as to who's the best guys to speak at our Backers Banquet.
That said, I'm hoping the Browns do keep Colt and send Wallace packing.
-
colt is a fine man, but bottom line is winning. this isn't the national fairness league....
with some time to learn how to overcome his physical shortcomings, colt could be an effective game manager. thrusting him into starting wasn't best for him, but was necessary due to a talent void at the position. he's not the first, or last, QB to ever have to overcome a mountain range to succeed. quinn was a guy we traded up for to nab in the first round, and yet he was bested by a 6th round pick no one had ever heard of (who like weeden, could at least throw a football). ya know how situations like this dont happen? stop sucking....outshine the competition. good QB's do this, ya know.
the reasons for failure are inconsequential. wanting to replace colt is completely independent of my opinion of him as a man or leader. quinn had just as raw a deal, but they both had one thing in common.....average physical skills. heart does not make one throw a tight spiral, make better decisions, or add velocity to the ball. this is about whats best for the team, not your current man-crush. as you said, you're a browns fan because of the player, thus i understand your POV. so please understand ours....we play in the AFCN, where cold, wind, rain, and snow regularly appear to help separate the men from the boys. this is a physical division, not unlike the NFCE, but even more so. at one point last year, the AFCN owned the top 4 defenses in the league. we want someone that can win here...thats all. colt is gonna have a very rough time doing that....toss in the inclement weather and top defenses and yes, the deck is stacked against him.
sorry man....i told ya when you showed up he didn't have it. i wish it were otherwise, believe me....as that would mean we were winning and wouldn't have needed weeden.
-
I've been following the Browns for a couple of years now, basically ever since they picked up Colt, as he made a believer and fan out of me while playing at Texas. I have watched the Browns play pretty much every Sunday that I could, a lot of times on crappy online feed or at a sports bar, since my Time Warner connection didn't permit, at home. I have come to call myself a Browns fan and they are now my second closest followed team, to the Dallas Cowboys. That said, I don't think I have ever seen a sadder story than the one with Colt. He has had a ton of shitty breaks with this team and has tried his best to keep his composure and leadership of the team, amidst a lot of crap from both the organization and teammates (Hillis). The guy deserves at least a nod of respect from the Browns fan base and half of y'all just talk mad shit about him. I get, numbers don't lie and he didn't win, fair enough. And yes, he was taken in the third round for a lot of questionable things, not least of which was his durability (he locked up after the pinched nerve in the National Championship) and his lack of prototypical size/arm strength. You know what, he isn't big enough or strong enough, you're right. But here's what he was/is for you all: A solid QB who had very little continuity at the HC/OC/FO level. A hard worker who busted his ass to fly out teammates and organize workouts/shops during a lockout and shortened season. He was the last guy to leave your locker room/film room and never threw his teammates under the bus. He never found himself in trouble with the law or in questionable situations and he was articulate in interviews and a man of God (and he didn't feel the need to tout it around like everybody's favorite QB in NYC). And the list goes on. For everyone of y'all that say he blows or call him shitty, there are tons of us who remember the kind of QB he was at Texas and who have managed to see him for his several positive qualities, despite his body of work in Cleveland. He deserves better than how he has been treated and hopefully he gets the chance to start again sometime. There are several organizations around the league who would value the type of person and teammate he is and he can be productive for a team, elsewhere. There is a way to treat people and there's a way not to treat people and he has been mishandled. I'll still be following the Browns, regardless of who is starting, because I've become attached to them but I think Colt needs a fresh start elsewhere if he doesn't get the nod in Cleveland because he is better than a backup. And that's coming from someone who has played and respects the game very much.
I've been following the Browns for a couple of years now, basically ever since they picked up Colt, as he made a believer and fan out of me while playing at Texas. I have watched the Browns play pretty much every Sunday that I could, a lot of times on crappy online feed or at a sports bar, since my Time Warner connection didn't permit, at home. I have come to call myself a Browns fan and they are now my second closest followed team, to the Dallas Cowboys. That said, I don't think I have ever seen a sadder story than the one with Colt. He has had a ton of shitty breaks with this team and has tried his best to keep his composure and leadership of the team, amidst a lot of crap from both the organization and teammates (Hillis). The guy deserves at least a nod of respect from the Browns fan base and half of y'all just talk mad shit about him. I get, numbers don't lie and he didn't win, fair enough. And yes, he was taken in the third round for a lot of questionable things, not least of which was his durability (he locked up after the pinched nerve in the National Championship) and his lack of prototypical size/arm strength. You know what, he isn't big enough or strong enough, you're right. But here's what he was/is for you all: A solid QB who had very little continuity at the HC/OC/FO level. A hard worker who busted his ass to fly out teammates and organize workouts/shops during a lockout and shortened season. He was the last guy to leave your locker room/film room and never threw his teammates under the bus. He never found himself in trouble with the law or in questionable situations and he was articulate in interviews and a man of God (and he didn't feel the need to tout it around like everybody's favorite QB in NYC). And the list goes on. For everyone of y'all that say he blows or call him shitty, there are tons of us who remember the kind of QB he was at Texas and who have managed to see him for his several positive qualities, despite his body of work in Cleveland. He deserves better than how he has been treated and hopefully he gets the chance to start again sometime. There are several organizations around the league who would value the type of person and teammate he is and he can be productive for a team, elsewhere. There is a way to treat people and there's a way not to treat people and he has been mishandled. I'll still be following the Browns, regardless of who is starting, because I've become attached to them but I think Colt needs a fresh start elsewhere if he doesn't get the nod in Cleveland because he is better than a backup. And that's coming from someone who has played and respects the game very much.
And for all of you armchair QBs talking smack, you should think before you start knocking Colt for his lack of first round skills because there are tons of first round talents who fizzled out on Sundays because they lacked what it took between the ears. Winning football games is more than just having first-round talent. It is about putting yourself aside and doing what it takes for the team. It is about family and unity. It is about hard work and focus. Those are what you look for in a QB, leadership qualities. If you can find a guy who has those qualities and a cannon for an arm, then you can count yourself extremely lucky, but you don't sell the farm for a cannon of an arm or a 6'4 frame. . .you trade up when you find a person of intergrity who has the tools and, more importantly, is a leader of men. Hopefully Weeden can be that QB for the Browns but understand that it is not the first round talent that is so rare; what is elusive is the QB who has both the talent AND the intergrity to lead. When you have a person leading your team who has those qualities, then you can build around them. . .think of New England, you have a usually very egotistical, outspoken WR like Ochocinco (who went so far as to change his last name to gain attention) who, when finally paired with a system that promotes unity, family, and a QB who leads by example, is willing to take a considerable statistical drop in catches, to silence his Twitter account, and to take a paycut just to re-sign. That is the kind of team the Browns can have, but it has less to do with drafting huge talent and more to do with a continuity of team/family mentality from the FO, down. This is the same reason that the San Antonio Spurs have proven to be one of the most winningest teams in major sports, over the last decade. That, and they drafted Tim Duncan, an unassuming leader who proves his worth by silent focus and example. It is important to find the QB, but the "intangibles" are just as important and aren't so impossible to identify, if you really look at the people who win.
I don't think anyone here truely hates Colt. No one thinks he is a bad person or doesn't try hard for that matter. Hell any other QB in his situation would even have shown up for off season workouts but he has still be here since they drafted Weeden. The fact of the matter is, and the FO has basically pointed this out in their interviews since the draft, you look for your QB to elevate the play of the players around him. Colt isn't good enough to do that and in fact his abilities cause the offense around him to have more trouble. When you throw a weak ball and are only above average accuracy wise from 0-10 yard routes, it really limits your offense. The FO didn't grab a high round WR or a big name FA WR this year because and I quote they think what Weeden can do will make our WR better. They think his talent, maturity, and leadership (two of the 3 things McCoy did have) are enough to make a whole group of players better.
I think McCoy can have a successful career as a good backup in this league and that is good for a 3rd round pick. He might have a chance to be a starting QB again as long as he ends up playing for a team that has a Dome or plays in a warm place with good weather. He won't be able to revive his short career any place north where he constantly has to play northern teams though.
-
I'd have liked to see mccoy with a full pre season and a running back.
Realistically I don't see that happening unless weeden sucks out loud in training camp.
WSS
-
Imho once Colt's father called the NFL and questioned why his son was still in the game after the James Harrison hit pretty much sealed his fate as a Cleveland Brown.
-
Why do you always have to make it known that you once played football?
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Why do you always have to make it known that you once played football?
Why do you always have to make it known that you once played football?
I played football once too. I was the star of my Sherman Grade School 6th grade team. Got bad knee and a zipper scar to show for it.
-
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login