Last Title By Town Summer 2012
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so for you it's all about the modern era?
i guess what your father and his father stood for back in the day means nothing to you. fight for your country. never hit a woman. provide for your family. yes they probably started your family following the steelers but even they couldn't disagree that professional football started without a team called the pittsburgh steelers.
yes in the modern era (which is what for you...the 70's only because it benefits your argument or maybe some view it as late as the start of the 21st century) the steelers have thrived while the browns have struggled. but don't forget the browns were a ground breaking organization at the inset of what we call football today. first to allow black players to play on a team. first to play in a league and win every title. once merged into the big boy league the first year won that title and more. what more do you want? can't you just be level headed and agree that both teams have done so much for the game we love today? and agree that it had to have started somewhere?
hell everywhere else in the world vintage items are sought after by people all over the world because either it's a collectors item or it reminds a person of something when they were growing up. but i guess you're encyclopedia brittanica starts in the 70's.
but let's just sweep the old football history under the rug until you find the pile of history that you want to claim and put on a mantle.
so for you it's all about the modern era?
i guess what your father and his father stood for back in the day means nothing to you. fight for your country. never hit a woman. provide for your family. yes they probably started your family following the steelers but even they couldn't disagree that professional football started without a team called the pittsburgh steelers.
yes in the modern era (which is what for you...the 70's only because it benefits your argument or maybe some view it as late as the start of the 21st century) the steelers have thrived while the browns have struggled. but don't forget the browns were a ground breaking organization at the inset of what we call football today. first to allow black players to play on a team. first to play in a league and win every title. once merged into the big boy league the first year won that title and more. what more do you want? can't you just be level headed and agree that both teams have done so much for the game we love today? and agree that it had to have started somewhere?
hell everywhere else in the world vintage items are sought after by people all over the world because either it's a collectors item or it reminds a person of something when they were growing up. but i guess you're encyclopedia brittanica starts in the 70's.
but let's just sweep the old football history under the rug until you find the pile of history that you want to claim and put on a mantle.
yes, because i think the modern era of football makes it MUCH harder to suck as hard and as long as the modern browns have (your team quite literally should have been accidently better than it has been) than it was for the Steelers to have sucked back in the time before dinosaurs, must mean i am for beating women.....not support the military.....and provide poorly for my family.
wow.
i now understand the mindset of the average clown fan.
nuckin futs.
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you misconstrew other peoples points of view and dismiss them as either being non-accurate at all or that they are smart assed anti-troll omments that deem a smart assed answer.
my point was that you have your opinions based upon a certain era in football that in your mind hold the one and only truth about who when and where titles were won and records should be kept. my point about what your fahter and his father was that they know a lot more about what happened then and would disagree about your views because you weren't there and above all can't be told different because of your bias.
you come in here biased to begin with but can't and won't allow yourself to hear what people are telling you based upon historical truth. so with no valid retort you change the subject and say that i'm calling you an anti-american or something. sure i know you didn't serve your country but 80% of my friends didn't as well. so don't use that as i'll burn you at the stake flame.
i'm saying quit disagreeing with something that is well documented historical knowledge by coming back with a smarmy self loathing answer. must be something blocking your frontal lobe. go see a doctor.
a witch doctor.
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while i won't debate the validity of any of the championships you "claim" for cleveland, i just wanted to make you aware that your stats for Pittsburgh are off.
if you're going to include championships from quasi professional leagues that 80% of the teams no longer exist then you must include the Pittsburgh Passion's women's pro football team that won the championship last year (either last year or year before).....also while you're at it me and my buddies from church held the first annual church league flag football championship tourny...........where a Pittsburgh area team beat the Rogers Ohio Plowmen 35-17 in the finals.
so the final count for Pittsburgh championships is actually higher and the last time we won would be this year.
hey, if we're gonna count quasi championships for defunct or semi pro leagues then lets do it up right.
while i won't debate the validity of any of the championships you "claim" for cleveland, i just wanted to make you aware that your stats for Pittsburgh are off.
if you're going to include championships from quasi professional leagues that 80% of the teams no longer exist then you must include the Pittsburgh Passion's women's pro football team that won the championship last year (either last year or year before).....also while you're at it me and my buddies from church held the first annual church league flag football championship tourny...........where a Pittsburgh area team beat the Rogers Ohio Plowmen 35-17 in the finals.
so the final count for Pittsburgh championships is actually higher and the last time we won would be this year.
hey, if we're gonna count quasi championships for defunct or semi pro leagues then lets do it up right.
I have only counted titles in the current Big 4 leagues, and in leagues that have merged with the Big 4 leagues. That is why the AAFC/ABA/WHL/AFL get included. When you can evidence that the women's pro football league or your church league have been accepted and merged into one of the current Big 4 leagues, then I will consider it.
It is why the USFL/XFL and the like are not included.
Its a fairly simple criteria. Nevertheless, if anyone could not comprehend it, it would be a Steeler fan.
(FYI, didn't include the Federal League or the Player's League or the A.A. in baseball. I also didn't include the Ohio League from which the NFL was formed).
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This isn't rocket science, and it is not something I made up. I am going merely by the listings on the Pro Football Reference, Pro Baseball Reference, Pro Basketball reference, and Pro Hockey reference websites. The only variance from that is the fact that with baseball I did not go back before the World Series was played, but for Hockey I did go back to the institution of the Stanley Cup. Here are the links in question:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/
http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/
http://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stanley_Cup_champions
The reason I included the Stanley Cup winners pre NHL is because even after the NHL was formed, its winner didn't automatically win the Stanley Cup. Other leagues like the PCHA and the WCHA competed with the NHL for the Cup. So it is a bit of a mixed bag there.
In any event, these guys vied for the Cup with the NHL. When the Women's League plays the NFL Champion in a Super/Whatever Bowl, I guess I will include them.
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Based on the article about The Stanley Cup, the thing to probably do is to start the "title count" only when the Stanley Cup became the prize awarded to the best professional hockey team. For about a 12 year period the three leagues NHL/WCHA/PCHA competed for it, but, finally in 1926 the NHL was the last league standing.
This would not change my original post: Vancouver and Ottawa would still have their last major titles happen in 1915 and 1927 respectively. It would only change some of the counts that various cities would include in their totals. And here is that count....hockey only for cities that have won Stanley Cups since 1915:
Montreal 26
Toronto 13
NY/NJ 11
Detroit 11
Boston 6
Edmonton 5
Chicago 4
Ottawa 4
Pittsburgh 3
Philadelphia 2
Denver 2
LA/Anaheim 2
Raleigh 1
Tampa Bay 1
Dallas 1
Calgary 1
Seattle 1
Victoria 1
Vancouver 1
Add the following for WHA titles:
Winnipeg 3
Houston 2
Quebec 1
Hartford 1
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On the full title count per city, eliminating the amateur era Stanley Cups would affect only 4 Canadian City counts:
Montreal would go from 40 to 26
Toronto would go from 16 to 15
Ottawa would go from 10 to 4
Quecec would go from 2 t 1
Unfortunatly, little Kenora's title would be placed in the amateur bin.
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"Pittsburgh won the Arena championship last year"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Power
They didn't even make the playoffs dumass. And, your presumptions that the Pittspuke Pirates will have a winning season are stupid. Remember last year, the first time in over a decade where you had a flicker of hope to make the playoffs?
I thought "churches" don't accept fags, gafreleets..?
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"Pittsburgh won the Arena championship last year"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Power
They didn't even make the playoffs dumass. And, your presumptions that the Pittspuke Pirates will have a winning season are stupid. Remember last year, the first time in over a decade where you had a flicker of hope to make the playoffs?
I thought "churches" don't accept fags, gafreleets..?
"Pittsburgh won the Arena championship last year"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Power
They didn't even make the playoffs dumass. And, your presumptions that the Pittspuke Pirates will have a winning season are stupid. Remember last year, the first time in over a decade where you had a flicker of hope to make the playoffs?
I thought "churches" don't accept fags, gafreleets..?
then the following year, they let go of their entire team the day they showed up to their first game.
ever wonder why not pittsburgher's talk about the pirates?
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"Pittsburgh won the Arena championship last year"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Power
They didn't even make the playoffs dumass. And, your presumptions that the Pittspuke Pirates will have a winning season are stupid. Remember last year, the first time in over a decade where you had a flicker of hope to make the playoffs?
I thought "churches" don't accept fags, gafreleets..?
"Pittsburgh won the Arena championship last year"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Power
They didn't even make the playoffs dumass. And, your presumptions that the Pittspuke Pirates will have a winning season are stupid. Remember last year, the first time in over a decade where you had a flicker of hope to make the playoffs?
I thought "churches" don't accept fags, gafreleets..?
Again, I didn't include "minor leagues". Only leagues that merged with the Big 4.
That means that even a league with a potential legitimate claim like the USFL didn't get on the title list. If they had somehow been able to attain a merger with the NFL I would have been glad to include them.
Think how different things would have been had that jury....which found FOR the USFL in that lawsuit had, instead of granting $3.00 in damages, had granted 300 million or 3 billion.
The USFL would have forced a merger with the NFL.
You may have had current teams like the Baltimore Stars, the Jacksonville Bulls, the Arizona Wranglers, the LA Express, the Memphis Showboats, the New Jersey Generals, the San Antonio Gunslingers, the Oakland Invaders and the Birmingham Stallions.
Most of the franchise movement, like the Cards to AZ, the Rams to St. Louis, the Oilers to Tennessee, the Raiders back to Oakland?, would never had occurred. The expansions of the mid 90s when the Jags and Panthers were brought in, and the creation of the Ravens and the Texans would never had occurred. We would probably have a 36 team league. There may have still been some threats to move teams, but the markets that were open or that opened up, like AZ, St. L., Baltiwhore, Memph/Nashville, Houston, and Los Angeles would have closed. (Note: the Colts had already moved to Indy before the USFL began play, so that move would not have been stopped.)
The only current city that may have been in play would have been Charlotte. They would have had to make a play for a current franchise then. I am sure the suckheads like Bud Adams, Bill Bidwill, Georgia Frontiere, and Art Modell would have probably tried to play that card, or some other card.
But, things would have been a lot different.
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