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  • 10 Rookies starting just goes to show you what a horrible roster Mangini left. 2 years later and Heckert is still dealing with that mess

    @browns149 said:

    10 Rookies starting just goes to show you what a horrible roster Mangini left. 2 years later and Heckert is still dealing with that mess

    Please, Mangini was a much better coach then Shurmer and we were making progress. That all fell apart. Hopefully, with the new owner we can get back on track.

  • 10 Rookies starting just goes to show you what a horrible roster Mangini left. 2 years later and Heckert is still dealing with that mess

    @browns149 said:

    10 Rookies starting just goes to show you what a horrible roster Mangini left. 2 years later and Heckert is still dealing with that mess

    To be fair to Mangini, he should never have been given that much say over the roster. Savage left him with a crap roster....and Mangini's job was to be the coach, not the GM.

    In reality it all falls back on Randy Lerner's lap for leaving his franchise so disorganized and dysfunctional by not having the right people in the right places.

    Neither Mangini nor Butch Davis should have ever been delegated to be the ones to fill the power vacuum when certain GMs left this team.

    I am going to assume that Haslam is not going to duplicate those errors.

  • Wich explains why Mamgina is still a color analyst and still hasnt gotten any calls from anyone...He stunk as a coach...get over it.

  • Wich explains why Mamgina is still a color analyst and still hasnt gotten any calls from anyone...He stunk as a coach...get over it.

    @nickers said:

    Wich explains why Mamgina is still a color analyst and still hasnt gotten any calls from anyone...He stunk as a coach...get over it.

    He stunk as a coach and was even WORSE as a talent evaluator. He should have NEVER EVER been allowed to pick the players on the team.

  • @nickers said:

    Wich explains why Mamgina is still a color analyst and still hasnt gotten any calls from anyone...He stunk as a coach...get over it.

    He stunk as a coach and was even WORSE as a talent evaluator. He should have NEVER EVER been allowed to pick the players on the team.

    @browns149 said:

    He stunk as a coach and was even WORSE as a talent evaluator. He should have NEVER EVER been allowed to pick the players on the team.

    not to mention that whole dang FO in general. I know it's been posted on here before but seriously take some time to look back at the browns drafts from oh 2003-2008. It's amazing how many misses are in there.

  • @browns149 said:

    He stunk as a coach and was even WORSE as a talent evaluator. He should have NEVER EVER been allowed to pick the players on the team.

    not to mention that whole dang FO in general. I know it's been posted on here before but seriously take some time to look back at the browns drafts from oh 2003-2008. It's amazing how many misses are in there.

    @jrb12711 said:

    not to mention that whole dang FO in general. I know it's been posted on here before but seriously take some time to look back at the browns drafts from oh 2003-2008. It's amazing how many misses are in there.

    Kinda like the Indians FO. They are just as horrible as talent evaluators

  • Wich explains why Mamgina is still a color analyst and still hasnt gotten any calls from anyone...He stunk as a coach...get over it.

    @nickers said:

    Wich explains why Mamgina is still a color analyst and still hasnt gotten any calls from anyone...He stunk as a coach...get over it.

    Oh....and u know that how?

    Hmmm....no?

    Alrightythen

  • @jrb12711 said:

    not to mention that whole dang FO in general. I know it's been posted on here before but seriously take some time to look back at the browns drafts from oh 2003-2008. It's amazing how many misses are in there.

    Kinda like the Indians FO. They are just as horrible as talent evaluators

    @browns149 said:

    Kinda like the Indians FO. They are just as horrible as talent evaluators

    Well, i don't want to get too off topic but IMO the much larger problem with the indians is Dolan. I think we bring in decent home-grown talent over the years, but the bottom line with baseball is you have to spend money to be a consistent winner. Cleveland could easily be a larger market team if the team was good consistently, but when you get no money to spend you have to buy useless vet contracts the likes of Damon, Lowe, Kotchman, etc. I think they do pretty well actually in trades, and the core of the team with Kipnis, Cabrera Santana, Brantley, Perez is there.

  • I think they do pretty well actually in trades.................WHAT???????????? They traded 2 back-to-back Cy Young winners and got Bratley and nothing else.

    I will say it's Dolans fault for sure. Like you said, you can't win in Baseball when your GM tells everyone that the team is on a budget.

  • Wich explains why Mamgina is still a color analyst and still hasnt gotten any calls from anyone...He stunk as a coach...get over it.

    @nickers said:

    Wich explains why Mamgina is still a color analyst and still hasnt gotten any calls from anyone...He stunk as a coach...get over it.

    Disagree. He was making progress, but some people are blind I guess. And still with the stupid ass nick names. Grow up.

  • Lol....yeah....damned mangini for his lame duck gm, and one bad draft. By far the worst ever in Cleveland

    Yall are getting dumber...in general.