Much Improved
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@browns1979 said:
1347823009[/url]' post='303529']sheeesh your standards are much too low.
They still look terrible. 10 pts going into the 4th qtr. down 24-10.
This bengals team is nothing special, and will be doing good to finish .500(they looked absolutely brutal in week 1)
Brandon weeden's performance going from an F to a D+ or a C- is hardly what I would call good. He was a completely wasted pick, and reasonable people(who know college football) laughed when his name was selected there. The smart(but unrealistic) move would be to cut him now, eat the guaranteed money, and admit it was a mistake.
Weeden = Tim Couch
Weeden = Tim Couch
So...a very good quarterback.
Couch's downfall was the complete lack of an offensive line. Now that we have a passable offensive line, you're saying that Weeden is going to have a stellar career worthy of a #1 overall pick.
I mean, I don't think he'll be that good...but way to be optimistic, dude.
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@vaportrail said:
1347827403[/url]' post='303561']I'd hardly call 320 yards, 2 TD's, and no picks a C- performance.
Uh, about 150 of those yards were given up due to Cincy's prevent defense. They didn't have to play much defense once they got got up by 14. They knew our defense couldn't stop them.
Uh, about 150 of those yards were given up due to Cincy's prevent defense. They didn't have to play much defense once they got got up by 14. They knew our defense couldn't stop them.
If C- is your rating of the team as a whole, I agree, but Weeden definitely played better than that. We lost the game because of
- Penalties
- Pacman's Return TD
- Ogbannaya's Fumble
Our secondary played like shit, but the only person there today who'd start on another team is TJ Ward.
- Penalties
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@vaportrail said:
1347827403[/url]' post='303561']I'd hardly call 320 yards, 2 TD's, and no picks a C- performance.
Uh, about 150 of those yards were given up due to Cincy's prevent defense. They didn't have to play much defense once they got got up by 14. They knew our defense couldn't stop them.
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@browns1979 said:
1347823009[/url]' post='303529']sheeesh your standards are much too low.
They still look terrible. 10 pts going into the 4th qtr. down 24-10.
This bengals team is nothing special, and will be doing good to finish .500(they looked absolutely brutal in week 1)
Brandon weeden's performance going from an F to a D+ or a C- is hardly what I would call good. He was a completely wasted pick, and reasonable people(who know college football) laughed when his name was selected there. The smart(but unrealistic) move would be to cut him now, eat the guaranteed money, and admit it was a mistake.
Weeden = Tim Couch
Weeden = Tim Couch
I don't see that. He was way better today then last week. Why do you make this comparison?
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
I don't see that. He was way better today then last week. Why do you make this comparison?
Because his intelligence is on par with that of a wet biscuit.
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I don't see that. He was way better today then last week. Why do you make this comparison?
Because he's a mindless Retard and knows only three QB's in Browns history. He assumes we hate Tim Couch because to all those who know nothing, Tim Couch was a super bust based on his performance.
He knows nothing, leave the frittata to his meandering simplethoughts.
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sheeesh your standards are much too low.
They still look terrible. 10 pts going into the 4th qtr. down 24-10.
This bengals team is nothing special, and will be doing good to finish .500(they looked absolutely brutal in week 1)
Brandon weeden's performance going from an F to a D+ or a C- is hardly what I would call good. He was a completely wasted pick, and reasonable people(who know college football) laughed when his name was selected there. The smart(but unrealistic) move would be to cut him now, eat the guaranteed money, and admit it was a mistake.
I'd hardly call 320 yards, 2 TD's, and no picks a C- performance.
I'd hardly call 320 yards, 2 TD's, and no picks a C- performance.
I agree, but some people either have a agenda or don't know much about the game.
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I thought Weeden looked good today. Made some nice throws and did really well standing in the pocket even when there was pressure. The defense struggled obviously but I think the team is on the right track and we actually have some playmakers for the first time. I'd say Richardson looks like the real deal.
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I thought Weeden looked good today. Made some nice throws and did really well standing in the pocket even when there was pressure. The defense struggled obviously but I think the team is on the right track and we actually have some playmakers for the first time. I'd say Richardson looks like the real deal.
I thought Weeden looked good today. Made some nice throws and did really well standing in the pocket even when there was pressure. The defense struggled obviously but I think the team is on the right track and we actually have some playmakers for the first time. I'd say Richardson looks like the real deal.
Agree. Give Richardson a chance to get going and he is one tough mofo. Speed, power and moves. Our Defense, especially the secondary disappointed, but with Haden out I expected it.
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Everyone here is so damn pessimistic. A loss is a loss, obviously. But, do I feel a lot more like there is promise for our #2 youngest NFL team? Definitely. When you lack your two top CBs, even Dalton will run rounds on you. Minus the stupid penalties and the fumble with the lack of having any starting CBs, every aspect of our game looked solid. You all can say whatever you want, but in the end this is true.
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I agree with the OP... we improved.
Wheeeden (dropped a "e" for each TD today) obviously showed something today. After being wild high again early he started giving receivers a chance to catch the ball and for the most part they did. While I'm still not seeing him come off his primary as often as he should, at least he was hitting them after settling in. Unfortunately they are getting hit as well as he's still starring them down... almost got Cribbs killed in that last drive. Still immobile under pressure (which puzzles me since he does OK in designed roll-outs)... still goes down too easily... but he did deliver a couple nice balls with pressure in his face.
Of the WR's MoMass in particular looked good, but then he's our only polished route runner, and clearly is the most able to read the D correctly and adjust accordingly. Little needs to work more on routes and less on celebrations... his gyrations early and late were embarrassing. Gordon is still looking for his game. Apparently Benjamin has been designated for streaks and reverses only. Where is Norwood?
He played well, but is Watson our only TE?
TR looked like a #1 today... especially catching the ball and running in the open field. He showed some "shiftiness" today that tells me he's healing and/or getting his feel for the game back. Ogbo's fumble-itis reared its ugly head again. Where are Hardesty and Jackson???
Marecic? No comment...
The O-line performance seemed mixed... I'll have to watch a replay focusing on it, but I think I'm safe in saying Schwartz is gonna flunk week 2. He really "olayed" the DE on one sack and we seemed to power to very little gains when we ran right.
D-wise it was pretty much a week 1 repeat minus the turnovers.... i.e. a lotta yards surrendered. Missing Haden and Brown obviously hurt. Skrine was over-matched. Patterson was decent, but needed to be better than decent. Not much of note out of our Safeties this week.
LB play led by DQJ seemed decent, but not inspirational this week... excepting DQJ with his INT and great hit on the receiver crossing.
NOTE: After the above hit the a$$-hat color man called it "a fine-able hit on a defenseless receiver"... total load of shit... it was a perfect hit right to the receiver's chest plate/ under his chin and was delivered by DQJ with his head up... he saw what he hit... AND it separated the receiver from the ball... FROM THE FRIGGING BALL!!! It was a textbook hit... if it's fined, and I doubt it will be, I may never watch another game.
D-line seemed good again to me, but as with the O-line I need to look at the game tape.
Lastly we have to remember that we were a punt return TD from a tie game at the end.
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Uh, about 150 of those yards were given up due to Cincy's prevent defense. They didn't have to play much defense once they got got up by 14. They knew our defense couldn't stop them.
If C- is your rating of the team as a whole, I agree, but Weeden definitely played better than that. We lost the game because of
- Penalties
- Pacman's Return TD
- Ogbannaya's Fumble
Our secondary played like shit, but the only person there today who'd start on another team is TJ Ward.
If C- is your rating of the team as a whole, I agree, but Weeden definitely played better than that. We lost the game because of
- Penalties
- Pacman's Return TD
- Ogbannaya's Fumble
Our secondary played like shit, but the only person there today who'd start on another team is TJ Ward.
all the missed tackles didn't help either
- Penalties
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Uh, about 150 of those yards were given up due to Cincy's prevent defense. They didn't have to play much defense once they got got up by 14. They knew our defense couldn't stop them.
If C- is your rating of the team as a whole, I agree, but Weeden definitely played better than that. We lost the game because of
- Penalties
- Pacman's Return TD
- Ogbannaya's Fumble
Our secondary played like shit, but the only person there today who'd start on another team is TJ Ward.
If C- is your rating of the team as a whole, I agree, but Weeden definitely played better than that. We lost the game because of
- Penalties
- Pacman's Return TD
- Ogbannaya's Fumble
Our secondary played like shit, but the only person there today who'd start on another team is TJ Ward.
Spot on, Vapor... The penalties killed CLE's drives and sustained Cincy's; that CAN'T happen. The punt return put them in an early hole; one that turned out to be insurmountable. Though the fumble netted no points for the Bengals, the Browns were looking good on that drive. That could've been at least 3 points for the Browns, but the way they were playing, it could've been 7. Who knows.
The D-Line was much improved today. D`Qwell played well again. The secondary struggled, mostly because of inexperience and lack of talent. When they throw nickel and dime corners on the outside and a 3rd string FS up the middle, they're asking for trouble.
All that said, if the Browns could just put all of it together for a couple weeks, we could be cheering for a respectable team.
- Penalties
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If C- is your rating of the team as a whole, I agree, but Weeden definitely played better than that. We lost the game because of
- Penalties
- Pacman's Return TD
- Ogbannaya's Fumble
Our secondary played like shit, but the only person there today who'd start on another team is TJ Ward.
Spot on, Vapor... The penalties killed CLE's drives and sustained Cincy's; that CAN'T happen. The punt return put them in an early hole; one that turned out to be insurmountable. Though the fumble netted no points for the Bengals, the Browns were looking good on that drive. That could've been at least 3 points for the Browns, but the way they were playing, it could've been 7. Who knows.
The D-Line was much improved today. D`Qwell played well again. The secondary struggled, mostly because of inexperience and lack of talent. When they throw nickel and dime corners on the outside and a 3rd string FS up the middle, they're asking for trouble.
All that said, if the Browns could just put all of it together for a couple weeks, we could be cheering for a respectable team.
Spot on, Vapor... The penalties killed CLE's drives and sustained Cincy's; that CAN'T happen. The punt return put them in an early hole; one that turned out to be insurmountable. Though the fumble netted no points for the Bengals, the Browns were looking good on that drive. That could've been at least 3 points for the Browns, but the way they were playing, it could've been 7. Who knows.
The D-Line was much improved today. D`Qwell played well again. The secondary struggled, mostly because of inexperience and lack of talent. When they throw nickel and dime corners on the outside and a 3rd string FS up the middle, they're asking for trouble.
All that said, if the Browns could just put all of it together for a couple weeks, we could be cheering for a respectable team.
Yeah, the momentum was in our favor when he Ogie caught that in stride. That being said, it's not going to be until week 7 or 8, when all our starters return, that we see a coherent defense, imo.
- Penalties
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Both our starting CB's were out and the Bengals exposed it all day. Frankly, the defense wasn't awful but two bad blitz calls led to two touchdowns. For the life of me I don't understand why you would play off on the goal line when sending an all out blitz. Other than that, penalties KILLED the browns, but the refs had much to do with that. I don't get those offsides on the corner and Gresham's heel was CLEARLY out of bounds. That was a situation where there's no way in hell the way he bobbled that the real refs call that complete. Also, on two touchdown drives we had them stopped on third downs but penalties moved the sticks.
Offense wins football games in today's NFL, and Weeden and Richardson looked damn good today. If we just get some more discipline for the penalties and keep playing offense like that we can actually compete.
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I wish I could be like all you Pollyannas (Definition for the Challenged) , but the reality is the Browns suck. I know there are people here older than me, but I have been a diehard Browns fan for over 50 years (I actually remember the '64 Championship game you so long for). After today, I'm guessing I'm not going to attend a Super Bowl.
Flame me and curse me all you want, but get your heads out of your asses..... An improved performance means nothing (ok, make your case, but I don't believe it). We lost. That means we didn't win ! There's nothimg in the NFL that awards the Lombardi Trophy to the most improved team (which we are not even close to being). Do I know what the problem is? Probably not, but I have ideas. Do I know how to fix the problem? Maybe not, but Randy leaving is a step in the right direction.
I side with "the bitchers", but I understand the loyalty of the Pollyannas, the problem being reallity. Let's talk about improvement at the end of the season when they make the playoffs and move to the second round. Oops, guess even you guys don't believe that.
Flame away, it is an alternative to being a champion.
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Really? The defense wasn't awful? What is your definition of awful?
I dunno who is good or bad yet.CLE and CIN both fielded top 10 defenses last season in Points per Game.
I would not expect either of these teams to suddenly suck, although that could be the case.
But anyways, I will wait for the game to be edited down to the 20 minute condensed version before it's worth my time to watch it.
Some people either have a agenda or don't know much about the game.
Well, I'm not a fan of either team, but I didn't watch the hole game yet, so WTF do I know.
Cincy is not even suppose to compete and is suppose to play for last place.
I think you must be reading last years newspaper.
CIN was supposed to suck last season.
Then CIN went to the playoffs.
I dunno what "experts" are picking CIN to suck this year.
Maybe it's the same group who picked CIN to suck last year.
I would think that with a top 10 defense and Dalton and Green in their second season that CIN would be pretty good by now!
But then WTF do I know!
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Improvement?
We lost by 7 instead of 1.
So....
WSS
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I wish I could be like all you Pollyannas (Definition for the Challenged) , but the reality is the Browns suck. I know there are people here older than me, but I have been a diehard Browns fan for over 50 years (I actually remember the '64 Championship game you so long for). After today, I'm guessing I'm not going to attend a Super Bowl.
Flame me and curse me all you want, but get your heads out of your asses..... An improved performance means nothing (ok, make your case, but I don't believe it). We lost. That means we didn't win ! There's nothimg in the NFL that awards the Lombardi Trophy to the most improved team (which we are not even close to being). Do I know what the problem is? Probably not, but I have ideas. Do I know how to fix the problem? Maybe not, but Randy leaving is a step in the right direction.
I side with "the bitchers", but I understand the loyalty of the Pollyannas, the problem being reallity. Let's talk about improvement at the end of the season when they make the playoffs and move to the second round. Oops, guess even you guys don't believe that.
Flame away, it is an alternative to being a champion.
I wish I could be like all you Pollyannas (Definition for the Challenged) , but the reality is the Browns suck. I know there are people here older than me, but I have been a diehard Browns fan for over 50 years (I actually remember the '64 Championship game you so long for). After today, I'm guessing I'm not going to attend a Super Bowl.
Flame me and curse me all you want, but get your heads out of your asses..... An improved performance means nothing (ok, make your case, but I don't believe it). We lost. That means we didn't win ! There's nothimg in the NFL that awards the Lombardi Trophy to the most improved team (which we are not even close to being). Do I know what the problem is? Probably not, but I have ideas. Do I know how to fix the problem? Maybe not, but Randy leaving is a step in the right direction.
I side with "the bitchers", but I understand the loyalty of the Pollyannas, the problem being reallity. Let's talk about improvement at the end of the season when they make the playoffs and move to the second round. Oops, guess even you guys don't believe that.
Flame away, it is an alternative to being a champion.
First off that must of been really neat to see the browns actually win a championship. I'm 22 and right now I feel the same way that I'm not going to see a super bowl.
Let me say that I actually don't think people disagree with you. At the end of the day it's all about putting a +1 in the W column. BUT, we have to start somewhere. This team was so bad 2 years ago that I truly believe the Alabama's and LSU's of the world could have competed against the team. What I saw today was a shell of a team that can seriously compete in today's NFL. A QB who can make the tight throws as well the strikes down the field. I saw a RB bulldoze and makes moves at the second level which make you go "damn!". If you take away the senseless penalties and add the starting CB's, who knows how that game ends up. It's frustrating to see the losses, but this is the first time in a long time I've felt we're going to turn that corner and compete.
You're right though, that hope means nothing if it never amounts to wins. Weeden could look like Manning but it's all about winning. But if we keep playing offense like we did today and get to full strength, we will.
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