It's Official
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Who edited my post.
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And Heckkkkkert better stay. He is the best thing that has happened to Cleveland since 1999.
That's arguable, and even if it were true it still doesn't mean he's good enough.
That's arguable, and even if it were true it still doesn't mean he's good enough.
If we do fire Penis, there's always a chance the new GM is a "Savage" like GM.
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We don't need cheerleaders. We don't need new uniforms. Put together a winning team and the marketing will take care of it's self!
Cheerleaders are a marketing expense- you think they're going to work for free? I've been to plenty of away games, and to me cheerleaders are a distraction (Ben-gals). You want cheerleaders, go to your local High school game or Ohio State's. IMHO don't need cheerleaders. Start playing exciting football, and the cheering will take care of itself.
You want to see T&A, there's plenty of great free porn available 24\7 on the Internet.
& We've been through this 1,000 times on the board. The uniforms have already been "tweaked" a bunch of times. Orange pants, Brown pants. One thing that should NEVER be changed is the helmet. As the only team in the NFL that doesn't have a logo on the helmet- that makes it unique. You probably would think Penn State should put a Nittany Lion (whatever the hell that is) on their helmets too.
Cheerleaders are a marketing expense- you think they're going to work for free? I've been to plenty of away games, and to me cheerleaders are a distraction (Ben-gals). You want cheerleaders, go to your local High school game or Ohio State's. IMHO don't need cheerleaders. Start playing exciting football, and the cheering will take care of itself.
You want to see T&A, there's plenty of great free porn available 24\7 on the Internet.
& We've been through this 1,000 times on the board. The uniforms have already been "tweaked" a bunch of times. Orange pants, Brown pants. One thing that should NEVER be changed is the helmet. As the only team in the NFL that doesn't have a logo on the helmet- that makes it unique. You probably would think Penn State should put a Nittany Lion (whatever the hell that is) on their helmets too.
You're right - we HAVE been through this a thousand times. And for the 1,000th time, I think this is archaic thinking and the Browns fan base needs to recognize that change isn't necessarily bad. If you stand by the "If they win it doesn't matter" mentality, then you should also accept this the other way. If they win, why do you care if they want to change the uniforms or add cheerleaders?
Newsflash: The new owner is a smart businessman.
Newsflash: Haslam understands marketing. His wife is one of the top marketing execs in the world.
Newsflash: Jimmy knows if would NOT be a PR disaster because the true fans that continued to flock and follow this team through the crappy-ass Lerner era won't turn away from their team if it adds another color, changes the uniforms, adds cheerleaders, etc.
Simply put - If you/we ARE truly die-hard fans, our support won't waiver if changes like this are made. Randy was too much of a pussy to make changes and didn't have the balls to do anything. This is why his team continued to fall behind the rest of the NFL on the field and in the marketing realm. Hell, his idea of getting feedback from the fanbase was to bring in the moronic dawgbone-hat wearing buy that WELCOMED Chad Johnson into the Dawg Pound after he scored against us (I'm sooooo glad Lerner is gone)...
To this day I feel that a-hole fan should be banned from the stadium.
Haslam comes off like a take-charge guy that won't take shit or be swayed by idiots. He will do what he thinks is most beneficial to A) Win games B ) Make money.
Marketing goes hand-in-hand with point B, so I would recommend everyone to be prepared for changes all around. I, for one, am excited for ALL changes.
Again, if you want to play the "Win, and the uniforms don't matter" argument, then understand what you are saying.
Because it is the same as "Win, and new uniforms/colors/cheerleaders/etc don't matter".
You are, in essence, okay with the changes as long as they win. You are also okay with no changes if they win.
If you are implying that if they make changes and lose, then you will no longer be a fan, then you are just lying to yourself. Because this is the Browns. This is our city and our team. We will follow and support them unconditionally because we are the best fans in the NFL - period. It doesn't matter if they make changes or not.
Plus, we can always look forward to the few times per year they put the throwbacks on again...
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Haslam: "We are going to look at everything...except for the helmet"
Yay!
That works for me. I like him. He seems like a no nonsense kind of guy who is going to be involved with everything. Good times are ahead I think.
That works for me. I like him. He seems like a no nonsense kind of guy who is going to be involved with everything. Good times are ahead I think.
Haslam reminds me of a retired Marine Corps officer. He isn't going to put up with any BS.
Sometimes having an activist owner works- sometimes it doesn't. (Jerry Jones) However- and I'll let Ghoolie comment on this- Haslam was in charge of the biggest chain of Truck Stops in the country. He didn't get that way hiring Bozos to run his gas stations. + he had time as minority owner of the Squealers to investigate how an NFL franchise is run properly. Time will tell.
It certainly was time for Lerner to sell out, move to England to watch Aston Villa.
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Haslam: "We are going to look at everything...except for the helmet"
Yay!
Haslam: "We are going to look at everything...except for the helmet"
Yay!
Good, the helmet is what I want to stay.
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Cheerleaders are a marketing expense- you think they're going to work for free? I've been to plenty of away games, and to me cheerleaders are a distraction (Ben-gals). You want cheerleaders, go to your local High school game or Ohio State's. IMHO don't need cheerleaders. Start playing exciting football, and the cheering will take care of itself.
You want to see T&A, there's plenty of great free porn available 24\7 on the Internet.
& We've been through this 1,000 times on the board. The uniforms have already been "tweaked" a bunch of times. Orange pants, Brown pants. One thing that should NEVER be changed is the helmet. As the only team in the NFL that doesn't have a logo on the helmet- that makes it unique. You probably would think Penn State should put a Nittany Lion (whatever the hell that is) on their helmets too.
You're right - we HAVE been through this a thousand times. And for the 1,000th time, I think this is archaic thinking and the Browns fan base needs to recognize that change isn't necessarily bad. If you stand by the "If they win it doesn't matter" mentality, then you should also accept this the other way. If they win, why do you care if they want to change the uniforms or add cheerleaders?
Newsflash: The new owner is a smart businessman.
Newsflash: Haslam understands marketing. His wife is one of the top marketing execs in the world.
Newsflash: Jimmy knows if would NOT be a PR disaster because the true fans that continued to flock and follow this team through the crappy-ass Lerner era won't turn away from their team if it adds another color, changes the uniforms, adds cheerleaders, etc.
Simply put - If you/we ARE truly die-hard fans, our support won't waiver if changes like this are made. Randy was too much of a pussy to make changes and didn't have the balls to do anything. This is why his team continued to fall behind the rest of the NFL on the field and in the marketing realm. Hell, his idea of getting feedback from the fanbase was to bring in the moronic dawgbone-hat wearing buy that WELCOMED Chad Johnson into the Dawg Pound after he scored against us (I'm sooooo glad Lerner is gone)...
To this day I feel that a-hole fan should be banned from the stadium.
Haslam comes off like a take-charge guy that won't take shit or be swayed by idiots. He will do what he thinks is most beneficial to A) Win games B ) Make money.
Marketing goes hand-in-hand with point B, so I would recommend everyone to be prepared for changes all around. I, for one, am excited for ALL changes.
Again, if you want to play the "Win, and the uniforms don't matter" argument, then understand what you are saying.
Because it is the same as "Win, and new uniforms/colors/cheerleaders/etc don't matter".
You are, in essence, okay with the changes as long as they win. You are also okay with no changes if they win.
If you are implying that if they make changes and lose, then you will no longer be a fan, then you are just lying to yourself. Because this is the Browns. This is our city and our team. We will follow and support them unconditionally because we are the best fans in the NFL - period. It doesn't matter if they make changes or not.
Plus, we can always look forward to the few times per year they put the throwbacks on again...
You're right - we HAVE been through this a thousand times. And for the 1,000th time, I think this is archaic thinking and the Browns fan base needs to recognize that change isn't necessarily bad. If you stand by the "If they win it doesn't matter" mentality, then you should also accept this the other way. If they win, why do you care if they want to change the uniforms or add cheerleaders?
Newsflash: The new owner is a smart businessman.
Newsflash: Haslam understands marketing. His wife is one of the top marketing execs in the world.
Then if you understand marketing- Haslam is essentially buying a "Brand".
Care to tell me how "New Coke" worked out?
IMHO- the ONLY team to successfully re-make their "image" was the Tampa Bay Bucs. And IMHO- the reason that worked out? The team started winning!!! Cool duds haven't to my knowledge ever won a game in the NFL. And hate to break it to you- Halam is already on record- the orange helmets stay. Haven't seen some of the other "traditional" teams fans (Packers, Bears, Lions) fans screaming for a makeover either. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You may think the Broncos new unis are way cool- I happen to think they're hideous. Smart marketers (like you're saying Haslam is) will know the "we want change" crowd is in the minority. Sorry about that.
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You're right - we HAVE been through this a thousand times. And for the 1,000th time, I think this is archaic thinking and the Browns fan base needs to recognize that change isn't necessarily bad. If you stand by the "If they win it doesn't matter" mentality, then you should also accept this the other way. If they win, why do you care if they want to change the uniforms or add cheerleaders?
Newsflash: The new owner is a smart businessman.
Newsflash: Haslam understands marketing. His wife is one of the top marketing execs in the world.
Then if you understand marketing- Haslam is essentially buying a "Brand".
Care to tell me how "New Coke" worked out?
IMHO- the ONLY team to successfully re-make their "image" was the Tampa Bay Bucs. And IMHO- the reason that worked out? The team started winning!!! Cool duds haven't to my knowledge ever won a game in the NFL. And hate to break it to you- Halam is already on record- the orange helmets stay. Haven't seen some of the other "traditional" teams fans (Packers, Bears, Lions) fans screaming for a makeover either. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You may think the Broncos new unis are way cool- I happen to think they're hideous. Smart marketers (like you're saying Haslam is) will know the "we want change" crowd is in the minority. Sorry about that.
Then if you understand marketing- Haslam is essentially buying a "Brand".
Care to tell me how "New Coke" worked out?
IMHO- the ONLY team to successfully re-make their "image" was the Tampa Bay Bucs. And hate to break it to you- Halam is already on record- the orange helmets stay. Haven't seen some of the other "traditional" teams fans (Packers, Bears, Lions) fans screaming for a makeover either. Smart marketers (like you're saying Haslam is) will know the "we want change" crowd is in the minority. Sorry about that.
The new uni's of the Bronco's didn't help the brand, or the Pat's either? I don't mind making the uni's a little more modern. Keep the color's, keep the tradition alive, but that can be done. I saw the Browns on Sunday and saw those plain white uni's and thought.. ugh. We need shift in thinking and it might help this franchise.
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I was positive that Walrus would be gone after this was done. I highly doubt that he will fire Shurmer until after the season, if at all seeing as we just won.
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I think Shurmer has essentially a 10 week job interview going on right now. Win some games...keep seeing improvement in the team week to week and he just might get to stick around next year.
And I saw the all white uniforms on Sunday and said "awesome" just the way the Browns are supposed to look.
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Cheer Leaders are good for the players. They get some ass on the side, the girls get to tell stories, and the fans get some excitement.
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You're right - we HAVE been through this a thousand times. And for the 1,000th time, I think this is archaic thinking and the Browns fan base needs to recognize that change isn't necessarily bad. If you stand by the "If they win it doesn't matter" mentality, then you should also accept this the other way. If they win, why do you care if they want to change the uniforms or add cheerleaders?
Newsflash: The new owner is a smart businessman.
Newsflash: Haslam understands marketing. His wife is one of the top marketing execs in the world.
Then if you understand marketing- Haslam is essentially buying a "Brand".
Care to tell me how "New Coke" worked out?
IMHO- the ONLY team to successfully re-make their "image" was the Tampa Bay Bucs. And IMHO- the reason that worked out? The team started winning!!! Cool duds haven't to my knowledge ever won a game in the NFL. And hate to break it to you- Halam is already on record- the orange helmets stay. Haven't seen some of the other "traditional" teams fans (Packers, Bears, Lions) fans screaming for a makeover either. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You may think the Broncos new unis are way cool- I happen to think they're hideous. Smart marketers (like you're saying Haslam is) will know the "we want change" crowd is in the minority. Sorry about that.
Then if you understand marketing- Haslam is essentially buying a "Brand".
Care to tell me how "New Coke" worked out?
IMHO- the ONLY team to successfully re-make their "image" was the Tampa Bay Bucs. And hate to break it to you- Halam is already on record- the orange helmets stay. Haven't seen some of the other "traditional" teams fans (Packers, Bears, Lions) fans screaming for a makeover either. Smart marketers (like you're saying Haslam is) will know the "we want change" crowd is in the minority. Sorry about that.
No need to be sorry. It is the minority. But he also recognizes it won't be for long. The fanbase is old and getting older. Smart marketers see trends and make moves - popular or unpopular - based on where they see things in 5-10 years.
New Coke didn't work out. Yet did it hurt the brand? Hell no it didn't. Coke is still everywhere. Now they have Diet Coke, Coke Zero, Coke this, Coke that. So that's a crappy attempt on your part.
I never said I wanted a new helmet. All traditionalists think the focus if the damn helmet. Of course it's not. Everyone loves the helmet and no logo on it, me included. But to have a logo - a real logo besides a picture of our helmet would be a GOOD thing. Incorporating a new color so kids or people that actually give a crap about how they look can have more choices isn't a bad thing.
BTW - nice reference to the Lions, a team that has changed and tweaked their uniforms and logo numerous times over the years. The Pack won't change because they're owned by their old fans that live in a dying town. Have ever BEEN to Green Bay? The Bears don't HAVE to change their gear because they were lucky enough to get colors and a logo that are still relevant today. Plus, they reside in a vibrant, growing metropolis. We don't.
I could reference bunches of fortune 500 companies that have branded and re-branded. Federal Express, Nike, General Electric, Accenture to name a few. There are reasons they do this.
Fans need to WAKE UP and realize there are frickin' websites dedicated to uniforms (uni-watch) that are even associated with ESPN. Do you think it's just an off-chance that so many 'traditional' college teams are jumping on the alternate uniforms? Times they are a changing.
The world has CHANGED. People and kids have CHANGED. This is an increasingly visual world in which we live. Deal with it.
The Browns were stuck in 1955...until Haslam showed up.
CHANGE IS GOOD -
Then if you understand marketing- Haslam is essentially buying a "Brand".
Care to tell me how "New Coke" worked out?
IMHO- the ONLY team to successfully re-make their "image" was the Tampa Bay Bucs. And hate to break it to you- Halam is already on record- the orange helmets stay. Haven't seen some of the other "traditional" teams fans (Packers, Bears, Lions) fans screaming for a makeover either. Smart marketers (like you're saying Haslam is) will know the "we want change" crowd is in the minority. Sorry about that.
The new uni's of the Bronco's didn't help the brand, or the Pat's either? I don't mind making the uni's a little more modern. Keep the color's, keep the tradition alive, but that can be done. I saw the Browns on Sunday and saw those plain white uni's and thought.. ugh. We need shift in thinking and it might help this franchise.
The new uni's of the Bronco's didn't help the brand, or the Pat's either? I don't mind making the uni's a little more modern. Keep the color's, keep the tradition alive, but that can be done. I saw the Browns on Sunday and saw those plain white uni's and thought.. ugh. We need shift in thinking and it might help this franchise.
The only constant in the world is change. I'm not averse to "some" modernization. And I agree- if they put the "all white look" out to pasture, it won't bother me at all. Some people hated the Orange pants- I happened to like them. Doug Dieken hated them- said "it made me feel like a big pumpkin out there."
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Then if you understand marketing- Haslam is essentially buying a "Brand".
Care to tell me how "New Coke" worked out?
IMHO- the ONLY team to successfully re-make their "image" was the Tampa Bay Bucs. And hate to break it to you- Halam is already on record- the orange helmets stay. Haven't seen some of the other "traditional" teams fans (Packers, Bears, Lions) fans screaming for a makeover either. Smart marketers (like you're saying Haslam is) will know the "we want change" crowd is in the minority. Sorry about that.
No need to be sorry. It is the minority. But he also recognizes it won't be for long. The fanbase is old and getting older. Smart marketers see trends and make moves - popular or unpopular - based on where they see things in 5-10 years.
New Coke didn't work out. Yet did it hurt the brand? Hell no it didn't. Coke is still everywhere. Now they have Diet Coke, Coke Zero, Coke this, Coke that. So that's a crappy attempt on your part.
I never said I wanted a new helmet. All traditionalists think the focus if the damn helmet. Of course it's not. Everyone loves the helmet and no logo on it, me included. But to have a logo - a real logo besides a picture of our helmet would be a GOOD thing. Incorporating a new color so kids or people that actually give a crap about how they look can have more choices isn't a bad thing.
BTW - nice reference to the Lions, a team that has changed and tweaked their uniforms and logo numerous times over the years. The Pack won't change because they're owned by their old fans that live in a dying town. Have ever BEEN to Green Bay? The Bears don't HAVE to change their gear because they were lucky enough to get colors and a logo that are still relevant today. Plus, they reside in a vibrant, growing metropolis. We don't.
I could reference bunches of fortune 500 companies that have branded and re-branded. Federal Express, Nike, General Electric, Accenture to name a few. There are reasons they do this.
Fans need to WAKE UP and realize there are frickin' websites dedicated to uniforms (uni-watch) that are even associated with ESPN. Do you think it's just an off-chance that so many 'traditional' college teams are jumping on the alternate uniforms? Times they are a changing.
The world has CHANGED. People and kids have CHANGED. This is an increasingly visual world in which we live. Deal with it.
The Browns were stuck in 1955...until Haslam showed up.
I never said I wanted a new helmet. All traditionalists think the focus if the damn helmet. Of course it's not. Everyone loves the helmet and no logo on it, me included. But to have a logo - a real logo besides a picture of our helmet would be a GOOD thing. Incorporating a new color so kids or people that actually give a crap about how they look can have more choices isn't a bad thing.
The Browns were stuck in 1955...until Haslam showed up.
And you young 'uns- and I have to assume you are one- think that's just so horrible.
Well, you know what would make the traditionalists, and the kids happy? Put the Elf on the uniform. Put a 50' Statue of him outside the stadium. That was one of marketing genius Modell's biggest mistakes putting him in the closet.
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Not sure what to make about this. There is an old expression 'better the devil you know". I am excited about the young team that the Holmgren regime has put together, and hope that all this front office stuff is not a big distraction for the players and coaches.
This is a little off topic, but I would like cheerleaders and new uniforms. I think the old school uni's are stale, and would be all for a more modern design. I am torn about changing the helmets as part of it, but if the design was right I would be cool with it.
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Then if you understand marketing- Haslam is essentially buying a "Brand".
Care to tell me how "New Coke" worked out?
IMHO- the ONLY team to successfully re-make their "image" was the Tampa Bay Bucs. And hate to break it to you- Halam is already on record- the orange helmets stay. Haven't seen some of the other "traditional" teams fans (Packers, Bears, Lions) fans screaming for a makeover either. Smart marketers (like you're saying Haslam is) will know the "we want change" crowd is in the minority. Sorry about that.
No need to be sorry. It is the minority. But he also recognizes it won't be for long. The fanbase is old and getting older. Smart marketers see trends and make moves - popular or unpopular - based on where they see things in 5-10 years.
New Coke didn't work out. Yet did it hurt the brand? Hell no it didn't. Coke is still everywhere. Now they have Diet Coke, Coke Zero, Coke this, Coke that. So that's a crappy attempt on your part.
I never said I wanted a new helmet. All traditionalists think the focus if the damn helmet. Of course it's not. Everyone loves the helmet and no logo on it, me included. But to have a logo - a real logo besides a picture of our helmet would be a GOOD thing. Incorporating a new color so kids or people that actually give a crap about how they look can have more choices isn't a bad thing.
BTW - nice reference to the Lions, a team that has changed and tweaked their uniforms and logo numerous times over the years. The Pack won't change because they're owned by their old fans that live in a dying town. Have ever BEEN to Green Bay? The Bears don't HAVE to change their gear because they were lucky enough to get colors and a logo that are still relevant today. Plus, they reside in a vibrant, growing metropolis. We don't.
I could reference bunches of fortune 500 companies that have branded and re-branded. Federal Express, Nike, General Electric, Accenture to name a few. There are reasons they do this.
Fans need to WAKE UP and realize there are frickin' websites dedicated to uniforms (uni-watch) that are even associated with ESPN. Do you think it's just an off-chance that so many 'traditional' college teams are jumping on the alternate uniforms? Times they are a changing.
The world has CHANGED. People and kids have CHANGED. This is an increasingly visual world in which we live. Deal with it.
The Browns were stuck in 1955...until Haslam showed up.
No need to be sorry. It is the minority. But he also recognizes it won't be for long. The fanbase is old and getting older. Smart marketers see trends and make moves - popular or unpopular - based on where they see things in 5-10 years.
New Coke didn't work out. Yet did it hurt the brand? Hell no it didn't. Coke is still everywhere. Now they have Diet Coke, Coke Zero, Coke this, Coke that. So that's a crappy attempt on your part.
I never said I wanted a new helmet. All traditionalists think the focus if the damn helmet. Of course it's not. Everyone loves the helmet and no logo on it, me included. But to have a logo - a real logo besides a picture of our helmet would be a GOOD thing. Incorporating a new color so kids or people that actually give a crap about how they look can have more choices isn't a bad thing.
BTW - nice reference to the Lions, a team that has changed and tweaked their uniforms and logo numerous times over the years. The Pack won't change because they're owned by their old fans that live in a dying town. Have ever BEEN to Green Bay? The Bears don't HAVE to change their gear because they were lucky enough to get colors and a logo that are still relevant today. Plus, they reside in a vibrant, growing metropolis. We don't.
I could reference bunches of fortune 500 companies that have branded and re-branded. Federal Express, Nike, General Electric, Accenture to name a few. There are reasons they do this.
Fans need to WAKE UP and realize there are frickin' websites dedicated to uniforms (uni-watch) that are even associated with ESPN. Do you think it's just an off-chance that so many 'traditional' college teams are jumping on the alternate uniforms? Times they are a changing.
The world has CHANGED. People and kids have CHANGED. This is an increasingly visual world in which we live. Deal with it.
The Browns were stuck in 1955...until Haslam showed up.
Chill out Squintz. I doubt that if their is a change it would be as dramatic as you probably want anyway.
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What's the over/under on Browns fans outraged at Haslam's incompetence ?
:lol: "All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
No need to be sorry. It is the minority. But he also recognizes it won't be for long. The fanbase is old and getting older. Smart marketers see trends and make moves - popular or unpopular - based on where they see things in 5-10 years.
New Coke didn't work out. Yet did it hurt the brand? Hell no it didn't. Coke is still everywhere. Now they have Diet Coke, Coke Zero, Coke this, Coke that. So that's a crappy attempt on your part.
I never said I wanted a new helmet. All traditionalists think the focus if the damn helmet. Of course it's not. Everyone loves the helmet and no logo on it, me included. But to have a logo - a real logo besides a picture of our helmet would be a GOOD thing. Incorporating a new color so kids or people that actually give a crap about how they look can have more choices isn't a bad thing.
BTW - nice reference to the Lions, a team that has changed and tweaked their uniforms and logo numerous times over the years. The Pack won't change because they're owned by their old fans that live in a dying town. Have ever BEEN to Green Bay? The Bears don't HAVE to change their gear because they were lucky enough to get colors and a logo that are still relevant today. Plus, they reside in a vibrant, growing metropolis. We don't.
I could reference bunches of fortune 500 companies that have branded and re-branded. Federal Express, Nike, General Electric, Accenture to name a few. There are reasons they do this.
Fans need to WAKE UP and realize there are frickin' websites dedicated to uniforms (uni-watch) that are even associated with ESPN. Do you think it's just an off-chance that so many 'traditional' college teams are jumping on the alternate uniforms? Times they are a changing.
The world has CHANGED. People and kids have CHANGED. This is an increasingly visual world in which we live. Deal with it.
The Browns were stuck in 1955...until Haslam showed up.
Chill out Squintz. I doubt that if their is a change it would be as dramatic as you probably want anyway.
Chill out Squintz. I doubt that if their is a change it would be as dramatic as you probably want anyway.
No need to tell me to chill - I just jump on and off the Board when I have a minute here and there.
Sometimes I get on a soap box that may come off as confrontational. For this, I apologize.
Listen - I own 12 psl's and go to every game. I have since they returned. I was down there at the rallies to get the team back, save the name and the colors. I'm old enough to have attended my first game when they were the Kardiac Kids, so I'm not a newbie. I'm very conservative by nature even.
I just want something good for this team and the fans. I have kids and see the kids in school that so want to have a winning team and some more relevant gear to wear when supporting their team.
I want the fanbase to grow and this team to thrive. For this to happen, I feel we need to win AND be accepting of some changes.
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Ugh, uniform thread.
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What's the over/under on Browns fans outraged at Haslam's incompetence ?
:lol: What's the over/under on Browns fans outraged at Haslam's incompetence ?
:lol: @4:00 p.m. Sunday?
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