Shurmer
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Haslam imho would be quite justified in firing shurmur now or at the bye week and should do so..
Shurmur is both a spineless decision maker and a gutless playcaller in clutch situations and those are unwanted inherent flawed attributes that tend to come with losing coaches and they never go away...
There is no place in cleveland browns fans heart for a consistently gutless coach or a gutless GM that wont fire him in order to start correcting things..
Its bad enough that this young team is gonna make mistakes and sometimes dont execute the play well but when head coaches consistently make poor decisions and at 1-5 punt in 4th down and short situations with the clock ticking it will often cost your team any chance of winning..
Most fans are pretty fed up with this kind of low caliber incompetent coaching brought to us for 9 years by an incompetent owner in randy lerner, the sooner haslam starts correcting this mess the better..
The most frustrating part about it to me is that we have talent and are playing fairly competitive football but shurmur not unlike mangini doesnt have the balls to go for the finishing blows when we are up and doesnt know when to take a chance even at 1-6 in order to try to win in a game you are certain to lose if you dont get bold..
At the very least shurmur needs to be stripped of the playcalling responsibilities immediately..
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@dab7291993 said:
1350855675[/url]' post='309280']Is it a joke to spell Shurmur's name wrong?
idk.
I don't care when he's fired as long as he's not the coach come Week 1 next week.
I didn't know week 1 was next week. Isn't next week, week 8?
Who cares how you the idiots name. He probably doesn't even know how to spell it.
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In Shurmurs press conference one of the first questions he's asked is about the 4th and 1 play.
He responds and talks for a bit and every time he refers to any decision about what to do there he says " well we thought" "we decided" "we felt it was the right thing to do".
What the fuck is this coach by committee ??? Now you would hope this is simply classic deflection of utter responsibility, but it's not.
The truth is that it is coach by committee. Shurmur disgusts me. He is not an "alpha male". I highly doubt any player in that locker room respects this guy.
I seriously question if Shurmur has final say on the decisions in game and if he does I'd bet he's easily swayed.
"Design by committee is a term referring to a style of design and its resultant output when a group of entities comes together to produce something (often the design of technological systems or standards), particularly in the presence of poor leadership. Critics of this style of design describe its defining characteristics as those of needless complexity, internal inconsistency, logical flaws, banality, and the lack of a unifying vision. This democratic design process is in contrast to autocratic design, or design by dictator, where the project leader has the final authority." wiki
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I really don't understand his thinking. The guy is a dead man walking. He should be rolling the dice and making brave calls to try and impress, yet he's such a fucking coward. Maybe he isn't, maybe he's just really stupid, either way this team would be better without him.
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The question is, if we dump Shurmur today, does the team get better tomorrow?
Or is it better to let the season ride out?
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The question is, if we dump Shurmur today, does the team get better tomorrow?
Or is it better to let the season ride out?
The question is, if we dump Shurmur today, does the team get better tomorrow?
Or is it better to let the season ride out?
Let Shurmur hang himself harder, so our next coach has the first pick in the nfl draft we can trade away to plug the rest of our gaps out.
The Season is dead barring an ungodly 9 wins in a row, so imo id rather let BW3 and Trent take their lumps this year before they get a real system in place that will showcase them.
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Why can't we just fire this guy after the game? We have an ex head coach that is the OC, which I'm not sure why because Shurmur still call all the plays?!
Anybody see the new owner up in the owner's box? He looks very intense, and from watching him and his reaction to moron Shurmur's decision to punt on 4th and 1, after calling a TO, he didn't look to happy about it.
I'd be happier with one of the ball boys calling the plays. Patsy the Balless wonder sealed his fate punting on fourth and one. The look on Haslam's face said it all. Shurmur doesn't even have the excuse "well if we had gone for it and failed, I would have been second guessed". By WHO? Absolutely un f**cking unbelievable. Haslam should tell Shurmur to have his wife drive down to Indy and pick him up- because he isn't worthy to ride home on the plane and get fired on Monday.
Dear Mr. Haslam- please don't wait until the bye, when this team is 1-8. This loss officially buried the Browns for 2012, so no sense letting a total bozo HC hang around any longer.
I'd be happier with one of the ball boys calling the plays. Patsy the Balless wonder sealed his fate punting on fourth and one. The look on Haslam's face said it all. Shurmur doesn't even have the excuse "well if we had gone for it and failed, I would have been second guessed". By WHO? Absolutely un f**cking unbelievable. Haslam should tell Shurmur to have his wife drive down to Indy and pick him up- because he isn't worthy to ride home on the plane and get fired on Monday.
Dear Mr. Haslam- please don't wait until the bye, when this team is 1-8. This loss officially buried the Browns for 2012, so no sense letting a total bozo HC hang around any longer.
It's my understanding Shurmer has been told no decisions will be made until after the season. I can understand that. That way Haslam gave everybody every chance to show what they can do.
He now owns the team, but this really isn't his team, so he can let it play out this year as making some cosmetic change at this point isn't really going to impact the long term changes he hopes to make.
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I'd be happier with one of the ball boys calling the plays. Patsy the Balless wonder sealed his fate punting on fourth and one. The look on Haslam's face said it all. Shurmur doesn't even have the excuse "well if we had gone for it and failed, I would have been second guessed". By WHO? Absolutely un f**cking unbelievable. Haslam should tell Shurmur to have his wife drive down to Indy and pick him up- because he isn't worthy to ride home on the plane and get fired on Monday.
Dear Mr. Haslam- please don't wait until the bye, when this team is 1-8. This loss officially buried the Browns for 2012, so no sense letting a total bozo HC hang around any longer.
It's my understanding Shurmer has been told no decisions will be made until after the season. I can understand that. That way Haslam gave everybody every chance to show what they can do.
He now owns the team, but this really isn't his team, so he can let it play out this year as making some cosmetic change at this point isn't really going to impact the long term changes he hopes to make.
He now owns the team, but this really isn't his team, so he can let it play out this year as making some cosmetic change at this point isn't really going to impact the long term changes he hopes to make.
And as an owner his responsibility is to put butts in the seats...A half empty stadium by halftime against a division rival will force his hand...Shurmurs' days are numbered.
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He now owns the team, but this really isn't his team, so he can let it play out this year as making some cosmetic change at this point isn't really going to impact the long term changes he hopes to make.
And as an owner his responsibility is to put butts in the seats...A half empty stadium by halftime against a division rival will force his hand...Shurmurs' days are numbered.
And as an owner his responsibility is to put butts in the seats...A half empty stadium by halftime against a division rival will force his hand...Shurmurs' days are numbered.
Yes, after the season is over. Haslam already said no personnel changes besides walrus until after the season. I don't think he is the type to say something and not mean it.
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And as an owner his responsibility is to put butts in the seats...A half empty stadium by halftime against a division rival will force his hand...Shurmurs' days are numbered.
Yes, after the season is over. Haslam already said no personnel changes besides walrus until after the season. I don't think he is the type to say something and not mean it.
Yes, after the season is over. Haslam already said no personnel changes besides walrus until after the season. I don't think he is the type to say something and not mean it.
Depends on how frustrated the man gets, and from his body language during yesterdays game, he is clearly as frustrated as all of us.
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I think Shurmur's station in life is as an offensive assistant. Holmgren should have recognized this.
We are a young, talented team that is not getting good coaching from the top.
Not only was the 4 & 1 decision atrocious, but how about the end of the first half: The refs gave Reggie Wayne and the Colts an amazing spot ... giving them a fourth and one instead of a fourth and three and an obvious punt. Shurmur needed to challenge that spot, there was undisputable video evidence that the ball was not spotted right. Instead, he does nothing. The Colts come out and on 4 & 1 deep in their own territory, pretend to go for it ... and the poorly coached Browns jump offsides. Just a very frustrating sequence of bad coaching ... that stuff doesn't happen to losing teams.
Truck Stop Jimmy looks like a guy that commands respect and he is going to want his team to command respect too. Shurmur is no leader. He will fire his ass at the Bye week if we lose the next two ... you can count on it.
That was a football game that needed to be won. Shurmur didn't have the balls to win it.
Outcoached by Bruce Arians.
Zombo
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He now owns the team, but this really isn't his team, so he can let it play out this year as making some cosmetic change at this point isn't really going to impact the long term changes he hopes to make.
And as an owner his responsibility is to put butts in the seats...A half empty stadium by halftime against a division rival will force his hand...Shurmurs' days are numbered.
And as an owner his responsibility is to put butts in the seats...A half empty stadium by halftime against a division rival will force his hand...Shurmurs' days are numbered.
Depends on how frustrated the man gets, and from his body language during yesterdays game, he is clearly as frustrated as all of us.
I have to agree with the above- will Haslam let the season totally spin out of control? This team has more talent than to be 1-6 at this point. I will agree- if a change is going to be made, it will happen at the bye week.
If the Browns are 1-9 when the Steelers come to town- the Black & Yellow will think they playing at home. By December the Factory of Sadness will be a Ghost Town on game Sundays.
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I think Shurmur's station in life is as an offensive assistant. Holmgren should have recognized this.
We are a young, talented team that is not getting good coaching from the top.
Not only was the 4 & 1 decision atrocious, but how about the end of the first half: The refs gave Reggie Wayne and the Colts an amazing spot ... giving them a fourth and one instead of a fourth and three and an obvious punt. Shurmur needed to challenge that spot, there was undisputable video evidence that the ball was not spotted right. Instead, he does nothing. The Colts come out and on 4 & 1 deep in their own territory, pretend to go for it ... and the poorly coached Browns jump offsides. Just a very frustrating sequence of bad coaching ... that stuff doesn't happen to losing teams.
Truck Stop Jimmy looks like a guy that commands respect and he is going to want his team to command respect too. Shurmur is no leader. He will fire his ass at the Bye week if we lose the next two ... you can count on it.
That was a football game that needed to be won. Shurmur didn't have the balls to win it.
Outcoached by Bruce Arians.
Zombo
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Shurmur's not going anywhere until the end of the Season (if even then).
There's no point in firing Shurmur at the Bye, the Season's done.
Why bring in an inter-rim Coach when you're going to be replacing them anyway?
There's not really going to be any quality Coach that's going to want to come in and take over a Team mid-Season, they're going to want to get their supporting Coaches/Teams in place, and that's not happening mid-Season.
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Bring back Eric Mangini today!
Bring back Eric Mangini today!
Are you Nuckin Futz???
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I think Shurmur's station in life is as an offensive assistant. Holmgren should have recognized this.
We are a young, talented team that is not getting good coaching from the top.
Not only was the 4 & 1 decision atrocious, but how about the end of the first half: The refs gave Reggie Wayne and the Colts an amazing spot ... giving them a fourth and one instead of a fourth and three and an obvious punt. Shurmur needed to challenge that spot, there was undisputable video evidence that the ball was not spotted right. Instead, he does nothing. The Colts come out and on 4 & 1 deep in their own territory, pretend to go for it ... and the poorly coached Browns jump offsides. Just a very frustrating sequence of bad coaching ... that stuff doesn't happen to losing teams.
Truck Stop Jimmy looks like a guy that commands respect and he is going to want his team to command respect too. Shurmur is no leader. He will fire his ass at the Bye week if we lose the next two ... you can count on it.
That was a football game that needed to be won. Shurmur didn't have the balls to win it.
Outcoached by Bruce Arians.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Not only was the 4 & 1 decision atrocious, but how about the end of the first half: The refs have Reggie Wayne and the Colts an amazing spot ... giving them a fourth and one instead of a fourth and three and an obvious punt. Shurmur needed to challenge that spot, there was undisputable video evidence that the ball was not spotted right. Zombo[/b][/color]
We were talking about that. Someone said that you can't challenge a spot unless the result was a first down. Anybody know whether that is true?
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Shurmur's not going anywhere until the end of the Season (if even then).
There's no point in firing Shurmur at the Bye, the Season's done.
Why bring in an inter-rim Coach when you're going to be replacing them anyway?
There's not really going to be any quality Coach that's going to want to come in and take over a Team mid-Season, they're going to want to get their supporting Coaches/Teams in place, and that's not happening mid-Season.
Shurmur's not going anywhere until the end of the Season (if even then).
There's no point in firing Shurmur at the Bye, the Season's done.
Why bring in an inter-rim Coach when you're going to be replacing them anyway?
There's not really going to be any quality Coach that's going to want to come in and take over a Team mid-Season, they're going to want to get their supporting Coaches/Teams in place, and that's not happening mid-Season.
OK, why would I want to keep on seeing Shurmur get outcoached by guys like Bruce Arians? See games get blown by bad decisions?
BTW, you already have 2 ex-head coaches on the staff, both who IMHO showed more as head coaches than Shurmur ever has. This guy is as bad as the Bengals David Shula.
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Zombo said:
Not only was the 4 & 1 decision atrocious, but how about the end of the first half: The refs have Reggie Wayne and the Colts an amazing spot ... giving them a fourth and one instead of a fourth and three and an obvious punt. Shurmur needed to challenge that spot, there was undisputable video evidence that the ball was not spotted right. Zombo[/b][/color]
We were talking about that. Someone said that you can't challenge a spot unless the result was a first down. Anybody know whether that is true?
We were talking about that. Someone said that you can't challenge a spot unless the result was a first down. Anybody know whether that is true?
I'm pretty sure you challenge the spot of the ball anytime.
Even with the most generous forward progress spot ever, he was more than a couple yards short.
Zombo
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