Shurmer
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I just wish shurmur hadn't abandoned the run. The 4th down punt didn't bother me too much as the Colts went 3 and out...I can't really blame a guy for trusting his defense over his offense. If the offense develops some kind of consistency and stops losing games with dropped passes/transparent play-calling they will become trustworthy. I'm not defending Shurmur and will be very surprised if he isn't fired soon but my main beef is dropped passes(especially when the game is on the line). Overall, however, I'm certainly not as upset as most Brown's fans appear to be. How many people honestly saw this as a playoff contending team? This team is too young to play a full game, but I am interested to see how the chemistry of the team grows as the new owner gets a new HC and probably a pretty valuable draft pick.
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The year before he took over.
Actually we are younger than before and have higher upside. But honestly 3 years and we aren't winning. look at our drafts, by no means have we hit homeruns with our picks.
Please don't tell me because a guy starts for us he is a good draft pick.
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man, i love the browns to death but if they decided to put holmgren on the sidelines i just might give up the 30+ years of rooting for and defending the name of this team.
why don't we just hire al grohl and be done with it. we can pick #'s to see who jumps off the suicide bridge first.
man, i love the browns to death but if they decided to put holmgren on the sidelines i just might give up the 30+ years of rooting for and defending the name of this team.
why don't we just hire al grohl and be done with it. we can pick #'s to see who jumps off the suicide bridge first.
Is Bruce Coslett available?
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The year before he took over.
Actually we are younger than before and have higher upside. But honestly 3 years and we aren't winning. look at our drafts, by no means have we hit homeruns with our picks.
Please don't tell me because a guy starts for us he is a good draft pick.
Actually we are younger than before and have higher upside. But honestly 3 years and we aren't winning. look at our drafts, by no means have we hit homeruns with our picks.
Please don't tell me because a guy starts for us he is a good draft pick.
How many homerun picks can you name from the last 3 drafts?
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Actually we are younger than before and have higher upside. But honestly 3 years and we aren't winning. look at our drafts, by no means have we hit homeruns with our picks.
Please don't tell me because a guy starts for us he is a good draft pick.
How many homerun picks can you name from the last 3 drafts?
How many homerun picks can you name from the last 3 drafts?
Not as much homeruns but teams who were just as crappy and able to turn it around. Look at Seattle, Arizona even the Rams. The Vikings
My point is Holmgren has had his time and hasn't turned to corner. We are again at the cross roads. We are a very young team and have some talent. When i look at our defense besides Haden no one really stands out. Now you don't always need players to stand out if you are playing well as a unit but we aren't doing that either..
Holmgren, Heckert and shurmur should all be shown the door. Lets get the right guys in here who wont make this a 10 year plan to have a 500 record.
We are so desperate for any signs we are grasping a positives. We are young.. big Fing dealing
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How many homerun picks can you name from the last 3 drafts?
Not as much homeruns but teams who were just as crappy and able to turn it around. Look at Seattle, Arizona even the Rams. The Vikings
My point is Holmgren has had his time and hasn't turned to corner. We are again at the cross roads. We are a very young team and have some talent. When i look at our defense besides Haden no one really stands out. Now you don't always need players to stand out if you are playing well as a unit but we aren't doing that either..
Holmgren, Heckert and shurmur should all be shown the door. Lets get the right guys in here who wont make this a 10 year plan to have a 500 record.
We are so desperate for any signs we are grasping a positives. We are young.. big Fing dealing
Not as much homeruns but teams who were just as crappy and able to turn it around. Look at Seattle, Arizona even the Rams. The Vikings
My point is Holmgren has had his time and hasn't turned to corner. We are again at the cross roads. We are a very young team and have some talent. When i look at our defense besides Haden no one really stands out. Now you don't always need players to stand out if you are playing well as a unit but we aren't doing that either..
Holmgren, Heckert and shurmur should all be shown the door. Lets get the right guys in here who wont make this a 10 year plan to have a 500 record.
We are so desperate for any signs we are grasping a positives. We are young.. big Fing dealing
seriously i don't think we are that bad. when healthy we have 2 dominant DLinemen, a very good and a decent DE, a shut-down corner and a good run stoppin safety. we are missing a couple of dominant LBs (we have a couple of young guys that are good and DQ if he can stay healthy) but i'd go defense with our first 3 picks next year unless there is a game changing WR staring us in the face.
on offense i think all we really need is depth on the line and a fucking monster fullback.
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Not as much homeruns but teams who were just as crappy and able to turn it around. Look at Seattle, Arizona even the Rams. The Vikings
My point is Holmgren has had his time and hasn't turned to corner. We are again at the cross roads. We are a very young team and have some talent. When i look at our defense besides Haden no one really stands out. Now you don't always need players to stand out if you are playing well as a unit but we aren't doing that either..
Holmgren, Heckert and shurmur should all be shown the door. Lets get the right guys in here who wont make this a 10 year plan to have a 500 record.
We are so desperate for any signs we are grasping a positives. We are young.. big Fing dealing
seriously i don't think we are that bad. when healthy we have 2 dominant DLinemen, a very good and a decent DE, a shut-down corner and a good run stoppin safety. we are missing a couple of dominant LBs (we have a couple of young guys that are good and DQ if he can stay healthy) but i'd go defense with our first 3 picks next year unless there is a game changing WR staring us in the face.
on offense i think all we really need is depth on the line and a fucking monster fullback.
seriously i don't think we are that bad. when healthy we have 2 dominant DLinemen, a very good and a decent DE, a shut-down corner and a good run stoppin safety. we are missing a couple of dominant LBs (we have a couple of young guys that are good and DQ if he can stay healthy) but i'd go defense with our first 3 picks next year unless there is a game changing WR staring us in the face.
on offense i think all we really need is depth on the line and a fucking monster fullback.
No we arent that bad but we arent good either. We have potenial with right coach and GM. I agree we need to draft defense and depth. We also need to sign a few free agents to challenge for starting spots.
I will just be happy when Haslam gives these guys the boot
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seriously i don't think we are that bad. when healthy we have 2 dominant DLinemen, a very good and a decent DE, a shut-down corner and a good run stoppin safety. we are missing a couple of dominant LBs (we have a couple of young guys that are good and DQ if he can stay healthy) but i'd go defense with our first 3 picks next year unless there is a game changing WR staring us in the face.
on offense i think all we really need is depth on the line and a fucking monster fullback.
No we arent that bad but we arent good either. We have potenial with right coach and GM. I agree we need to draft defense and depth. We also need to sign a few free agents to challenge for starting spots.
I will just be happy when Haslam gives these guys the boot
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As much as we all shit on Shurmur, got to give him credit on this one.
Besides blowing our time outs he did pretty well.
I loved how they got Richardson the ball on those quick pitches and draws instead of beating the dead horse up the middle all game.
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Dude the entire game we all felt like we were gonna blow it somehow.
The offense scored on it's first possession and didn't do shit the rest of the game. Holy crap it's crazy how one win will cloud everyone's vision.
It sucks that most of our fans don't expect better. We get a win and it's a party and everyone refuses to critique anything.
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Dabs a fucking troll, so who gives a shit what he thinks. A win is a win.
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I am a diehard Browns fan.
But also, I know about football that's what separates me from you. Sure, "a win is a win" but does this type of play translate to more wins? Not at all. We played a terrible game and came out with a win, for that I am happy, but it is unsettling how we were unable to even get into field goal range after that first drive.
You can't give Shurmur credit for this game when we only put together one scoring drive. He called a timeout on a 3rd down to get things figured out, then Weeden got sacked in less than a second.
All I'm saying is that our team can't be satisfied today, they have to want to get better. I want us to win a superbowl one day, and that won't happen if we let mediocrity and inconsistency continue to be here. We need to expect better, and I'm very sorry if you don't feel the same.
Before you swear at me, or call me an idiot, can you please try your best to actually articulate a real response to my post? Thank you.
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Shurmer calling the reverse 1 - while we're ahead, 2 - in that weather was a real bonehead move.
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Him calling a play at all and not running out the quarter was stupid. Why on Earth he thinks a reverse that has only worked once this season is a good idea every game, is honestly beyond me.
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I am a diehard Browns fan.
But also, I know about football that's what separates me from you. Sure, "a win is a win" but does this type of play translate to more wins? Not at all. We played a terrible game and came out with a win, for that I am happy, but it is unsettling how we were unable to even get into field goal range after that first drive.
You can't give Shurmur credit for this game when we only put together one scoring drive. He called a timeout on a 3rd down to get things figured out, then Weeden got sacked in less than a second.
All I'm saying is that our team can't be satisfied today, they have to want to get better. I want us to win a superbowl one day, and that won't happen if we let mediocrity and inconsistency continue to be here. We need to expect better, and I'm very sorry if you don't feel the same.
Before you swear at me, or call me an idiot, can you please try your best to actually articulate a real response to my post? Thank you.
I am a diehard Browns fan.
But also, I know about football that's what separates me from you.
I sure would like some proof of that.
I think we all would.
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I mean, apparently I should be some hotheaded asshole who calls anyone who disagrees with me a troll or an idiot. Then I'll fit in just fine.
I have my argument in this thread, argue against me if you truly oppose my sentiments. If not, then I guess you can have fun calling me stupid or ignorant.
In my time on this board it seems you disagree with everything I say no matter the subject, I feel like you do it for the sport of arguing. Like in the Martin v Richardson thread, your 'argument' was pointless. I was just saying that even if one RB has a few more TD's than the other doesn't mean he is more effective than the RB with less TD's.
I guess if it makes you feel good to only be a dickhead, go for it, but you haven't trumped me in any debate we've had. You just post in this condescending manner and act like you're better than me. I played football as a kid and all the way through high-school, and I watch football at every level to this day. I am confident in my knowledge of this game.
I would like to know what your future in this game is, as it is concrete in your head you will have a job in this field.
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I mean, apparently I should be some hotheaded asshole who calls anyone who disagrees with me a troll or an idiot. Then I'll fit in just fine.
I have my argument in this thread, argue against me if you truly oppose my sentiments. If not, then I guess you can have fun calling me stupid or ignorant.
In my time on this board it seems you disagree with everything I say no matter the subject, I feel like you do it for the sport of arguing. Like in the Martin v Richardson thread, your 'argument' was pointless. I was just saying that even if one RB has a few more TD's than the other doesn't mean he is more effective than the RB with less TD's.
I guess if it makes you feel good to only be a dickhead, go for it, but you haven't trumped me in any debate we've had. You just post in this condescending manner and act like you're better than me. I played football as a kid and all the way through high-school, and I watch football at every level to this day. I am confident in my knowledge of this game.
I would like to know what your future in this game is, as it is concrete in your head you will have a job in this field.
I mean, apparently I should be some hotheaded asshole who calls anyone who disagrees with me a troll or an idiot. Then I'll fit in just fine.
I have my argument in this thread, argue against me if you truly oppose my sentiments. If not, then I guess you can have fun calling me stupid or ignorant.
In my time on this board it seems you disagree with everything I say no matter the subject, I feel like you do it for the sport of arguing. Like in the Martin v Richardson thread, your 'argument' was pointless. I was just saying that even if one RB has a few more TD's than the other doesn't mean he is more effective than the RB with less TD's.
I guess if it makes you feel good to only be a dickhead, go for it, but you haven't trumped me in any debate we've had. You just post in this condescending manner and act like you're better than me. I played football as a kid and all the way through high-school, and I watch football at every level to this day. I am confident in my knowledge of this game.
I would like to know what your future in this game is, as it is concrete in your head you will have a job in this field.
Blah blah blah blah blah....... The defense was acceptable today.
The offense scored a TD. That should be all that is needed to win a real football game. Today it was.
We scored a TD and the defense played well. Those weeks are so rare. I'm going to enjoy it.
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Please elaborate, you're saying in any game 1 TD is all that is needed to win?
It was today, but no defense is ever going to hold every team to 6 points a game.
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I mean, apparently I should be some hotheaded asshole who calls anyone who disagrees with me a troll or an idiot. Then I'll fit in just fine.
I have my argument in this thread, argue against me if you truly oppose my sentiments. If not, then I guess you can have fun calling me stupid or ignorant.
In my time on this board it seems you disagree with everything I say no matter the subject, I feel like you do it for the sport of arguing. Like in the Martin v Richardson thread, your 'argument' was pointless. I was just saying that even if one RB has a few more TD's than the other doesn't mean he is more effective than the RB with less TD's.
I guess if it makes you feel good to only be a dickhead, go for it, but you haven't trumped me in any debate we've had. You just post in this condescending manner and act like you're better than me. I played football as a kid and all the way through high-school, and I watch football at every level to this day. I am confident in my knowledge of this game.
I would like to know what your future in this game is, as it is concrete in your head you will have a job in this field.
I mean, apparently I should be some hotheaded asshole who calls anyone who disagrees with me a troll or an idiot. Then I'll fit in just fine.
I have my argument in this thread, argue against me if you truly oppose my sentiments. If not, then I guess you can have fun calling me stupid or ignorant.
In my time on this board it seems you disagree with everything I say no matter the subject, I feel like you do it for the sport of arguing. Like in the Martin v Richardson thread, your 'argument' was pointless. I was just saying that even if one RB has a few more TD's than the other doesn't mean he is more effective than the RB with less TD's.
I guess if it makes you feel good to only be a dickhead, go for it, but you haven't trumped me in any debate we've had. You just post in this condescending manner and act like you're better than me. I played football as a kid and all the way through high-school, and I watch football at every level to this day. I am confident in my knowledge of this game.
I would like to know what your future in this game is, as it is concrete in your head you will have a job in this field.
Congratulations. I didn't realize that playing pee-wee football gives you carte blanche to post stupid shit.
For the record, I don't agree with Shurmur's playcalling. I don't agree with most of his decisions. For that, we agree.
Where we disagree is on today's game. Wins like this do lead to more wins. You have to learn how to win the close games before you can win the blowouts. A win like this means a hell of a lot more than a 35-0 blowout, because it was a one-possession game the entire time. That means the team has to play until the final whistle, unlike in a blowout where you can pack it in and play safe.
There's a difference between not being happy with a performance, and being upset with it. The greats are never happy, because happiness leads to complacency and complacency leads to losses.
But, for the team we currently have, this win means a lot. You can bet there is nobody in the front office or on the field that is upset with today.
There was no argument in the Martin v. Richardson thread. It was a statement of fact. RB's who score contribute more directly to offensive production than those that don't. You can't quantify the effect of a play-fake as you can a TD. So, statistically, a RB who does score more TD's is more effective than one who doesn't. If you want to get into a discussion of the intangible effects of playcalling, I'm all for it. But don't try to weasel that discussion into one of the statistical production of two first round rookie runningbacks.
And for the record, many of the people here played football through high school. And many of us played through college. And some of us still DO play college ball, at a Division 1 school, as well as coach. And at least one of us have an internship with the Atlanta Falcons starting on May 8, 2013. But I don't know who that person is...
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