Bradley And Gay Released
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No, we lack the necessary homeless people shitting on the street and overwhelming diarrhea smell that Cleveland has.
But in 10 years when Cleveland's population drops below ours, we'll see.
Face it. You are just lacking. In anything and everything.
Just out of curiosity: Why are you even a Browns fan? Why aren't you the fan of some team from some faceless, colorless, characterless, generic, plastic town like Atlanta or Dallas or someplace you think is a "glamor town" since that is what you seem to think it is all about?
(When we all know that football is about blood, sweat, tears, mud, snot, dirt...and some times even a little snow and ice).
Face it. You are just lacking. In anything and everything.
Just out of curiosity: Why are you even a Browns fan? Why aren't you the fan of some team from some faceless, colorless, characterless, generic, plastic town like Atlanta or Dallas or someplace you think is a "glamor town" since that is what you seem to think it is all about?
(When we all know that football is about blood, sweat, tears, mud, snot, dirt...and some times even a little snow and ice).
That's rich. You're an old, wrinkled bag of hate and ignorance, yet I'm the one who is lacking. You regurgitate trivia questions you found on "the google machine" and think that you're contributing to valid conversation.
I'm a Browns fan because my father was and raised me to be. He also warned me of the fake, maudlin fans that cling to the past and twiddle their thumbs saying "woe is me, we used to be so good". Fans like you.
I am a football player. I'm a division 1 scholarship athlete, with offers from two SEC schools. I chose to stay near home to be close to my sick father, so we could watch Browns games together. Don't tell me what it's like to play football. You know nothing of what its like to play, as the game hadn't been invented when you were a youth.
I have a degree in this industry, ive had internships and volunteer work in this industry and I'll soon have a very good job in this industry. In a few years, you'll be bitching about the decisions I make, and I'm okay with that. Because ill have succeeded in something, unlike you.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Why is Cleveland the only team in the NFL that players openly come out and say that theres no way theyll play there? (Manningham last year and Connor Barwin a couple days ago come to mind)?
Have a link or is it more hear say?
Who gives a fuck about manningham anyway the dude isnt shit thats why the NYG let him go. How bout some names with relevance.
Have a link or is it more hear say?
Who gives a fuck about manningham anyway the dude isnt shit thats why the NYG let him go. How bout some names with relevance.
http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2012/03/cleveland_is_not_a_hot_destina.html
Its how were viewed around the league. Not just these guys.
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Face it. You are just lacking. In anything and everything.
Just out of curiosity: Why are you even a Browns fan? Why aren't you the fan of some team from some faceless, colorless, characterless, generic, plastic town like Atlanta or Dallas or someplace you think is a "glamor town" since that is what you seem to think it is all about?
(When we all know that football is about blood, sweat, tears, mud, snot, dirt...and some times even a little snow and ice).
That's rich. You're an old, wrinkled bag of hate and ignorance, yet I'm the one who is lacking. You regurgitate trivia questions you found on "the google machine" and think that you're contributing to valid conversation.
I'm a Browns fan because my father was and raised me to be. He also warned me of the fake, maudlin fans that cling to the past and twiddle their thumbs saying "woe is me, we used to be so good". Fans like you.
I am a football player. I'm a division 1 scholarship athlete, with offers from two SEC schools. I chose to stay near home to be close to my sick father, so we could watch Browns games together. Don't tell me what it's like to play football. You know nothing of what its like to play, as the game hadn't been invented when you were a youth.
I have a degree in this industry, ive had internships and volunteer work in this industry and I'll soon have a very good job in this industry. In a few years, you'll be bitching about the decisions I make, and I'm okay with that. Because ill have succeeded in something, unlike you.
That's rich. You're an old, wrinkled bag of hate and ignorance, yet I'm the one who is lacking. You regurgitate trivia questions you found on "the google machine" and think that you're contributing to valid conversation.
It contributes to the entertainment of the people that enjoy it. Just because YOU are too dumb to answer any of the questions doesn't mean that others don't like it.
Do I have to use google? Sure, because unlike you, I admit that I don't know everything.
I'm a Browns fan because my father was and raised me to be. He also warned me of the fake, maudlin fans that cling to the past and twiddle their thumbs saying "woe is me, we used to be so good". Fans like you.
Now you have shown your ignorance. Anyone who has bothered to pay attention to my opinions knows that is not me. It sounds more like you. You are the one that has proclaimed "woe is us, nobody likes us because (in your ignorant opinion) the city is terrible".
Why do you transfer your own emotions on to others?
I am a football player. I'm a division 1 scholarship athlete, with offers from two SEC schools. I chose to stay near home to be close to my sick father, so we could watch Browns games together. Don't tell me what it's like to play football. You know nothing of what its like to play, as the game hadn't been invented when you were a youth.
Wonderful, but the fact that you may have played organized football at some level doesn't mean a cabbage fart when it comes to having an intelligent opinion about the game. Most of the dumbest guys about the game are former players. Besides...your opinion about the game has nothing to do with what we are arguing about. We are arguing about the state of the city of Cleveland. Is your degree in urban planning?
I happen to know the city of Cleveland and environs to be an exciting vibrant place.
I don't have the time to take advantage of all the great things it has to offer. And it has a LOT to offer. The only thing it hasn't had is a championship team recently. (thanks to Jose Mesa blowing a lead in the 9th inning of the 7th game of the World Series....if Jose Mesa saves that game would your opinion be different? Probably)
I have a degree in this industry, ive had internships and volunteer work in this industry and I'll soon have a very good job in this industry. In a few years, you'll be bitching about the decisions I make, and I'm okay with that. Because ill have succeeded in something, unlike you.
Great. You got a job. (I notice you didn't say what "this industry is". I have no clue what you do.) How do you measure success? Your opinions about things you apparently know nothing about are bitter and misinformed. In that regard you are a failure.
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Have a link or is it more hear say?
Who gives a fuck about manningham anyway the dude isnt shit thats why the NYG let him go. How bout some names with relevance.
http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2012/03/cleveland_is_not_a_hot_destina.html
Its how were viewed around the league. Not just these guys.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2012/03/cleveland_is_not_a_hot_destina.html
Its how were viewed around the league. Not just these guys.
Yea, and it all has to do with the perception of the organization. 99 and 44/100ths of these guys opinions are all based on the recent instability of the team. It has nothing to do with it being cold in December on Lake Erie.
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name me one city that owns any pro team in the U.S. and i'll name something wrong with it.
oooh. maimi. yeah the heat are full of celebrity players and the weather is great (until hurricane season). big bugs, beyond hot muggy miserable days, it's population made up of cuban, haitian and PR refugees whom 75% are criminals. HEY, BUT THERE'S SOUTH BEACH! who gives a rat's ass.
IMO san diego is the spot with the best weather almost year round but who have they attracted in FA in recent years? if anything the team is rebuilding now.
hell, baltimore is one of the biggest shit holes in the country and they don't have enough money to keep their super bowl team intact.
it's not like these guys live in east cleveland or the projects of baltimore. most live in the wealthy suburbs of the city they play for, or like some have their family somewhere else and rent a nice place in a wealthy suburb of the city that they play for.
and mark is right, i'd much rather hang with the laid back ohioan compared to the Aholes i see on a daily basis.
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I have a bachelors in Sports and Recreation Management with a double minor in Marketing and Business Ethics and I also have an associates in Business Management.
I measure success by how closely you adhere to following your dreams. My childhood dream was to play professional football, I'll settle on working in the FO of a professional team.
I helped build and brand the area's semi-pro team, going from non-existence to winning the division in 3 years and making a deep playoff run in a league of over 200 teams that stretches all over the Eastern Seaboard. I've been a part of a Division 1 college program that has won their conference three out of the first seven years it existed.
I've seen firsthand what it's like to build a team to succeed immediately. Granted, the NFL is a different beast entirely but some ideas still translate, and the Browns have not been using them.
Whether or not you'd like to believe it, image and perception are awfully important to this generation. It's no longer just about how you play, it's now also about how you're perceived to the public. Hence the reason a majority of the players have image consultants. Tied into an athletes image is the team and city in which they play for. No athlete is going to play for a perennial loser unless that team either pays him a ridiculous amount of money or has other fringe benefits.
The Browns image is that of a poor team of cast-offs and underdogs that play for blue collar fans in a dead industrial town. While that was a fantastic image back in the 70s and early 80s, it doesn't translate well to today. The emphasis of your generation was hard work and family, while the core tenet of my generation is appearance
In order to get fans and FAs alike, change your perception. It's worked for the Seahawks. It's worked for the Lions. It's worked for the 49ers. All three teams have changed their identity, all three have experienced marked success.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
name me one city that owns any pro team in the U.S. and i'll name something wrong with it.
oooh. maimi. yeah the heat are full of celebrity players and the weather is great (until hurricane season). big bugs, beyond hot muggy miserable days, it's population made up of cuban, haitian and PR refugees whom 75% are criminals. HEY, BUT THERE'S SOUTH BEACH! who gives a rat's ass.
IMO san diego is the spot with the best weather almost year round but who have they attracted in FA in recent years? if anything the team is rebuilding now.
hell, baltimore is one of the biggest shit holes in the country and they don't have enough money to keep their super bowl team intact.
it's not like these guys live in east cleveland or the projects of baltimore. most live in the wealthy suburbs of the city they play for, or like some have their family somewhere else and rent a nice place in a wealthy suburb of the city that they play for.
and mark is right, i'd much rather hang with the laid back ohioan compared to the Aholes i see on a daily basis.
oooh. maimi. yeah the heat are full of celebrity players and the weather is great (until hurricane season). big bugs, beyond hot muggy miserable days, it's population made up of cuban, haitian and PR refugees whom 75% are criminals. HEY, BUT THERE'S SOUTH BEACH! who gives a rat's ass.
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You answered yourself. LeBron, Bosh, Wade, Ochocinco, and Reggie Bush give a rats ass.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I have a bachelors in Sports and Recreation Management with a double minor in Marketing and Business Ethics and I also have an associates in Business Management.
I measure success by how closely you adhere to following your dreams. My childhood dream was to play professional football, I'll settle on working in the FO of a professional team.
I helped build and brand the area's semi-pro team, going from non-existence to winning the division in 3 years and making a deep playoff run in a league of over 200 teams that stretches all over the Eastern Seaboard. I've been a part of a Division 1 college program that has won their conference three out of the first seven years it existed.
I've seen firsthand what it's like to build a team to succeed immediately. Granted, the NFL is a different beast entirely but some ideas still translate, and the Browns have not been using them.
Whether or not you'd like to believe it, image and perception are awfully important to this generation. It's no longer just about how you play, it's now also about how you're perceived to the public. Hence the reason a majority of the players have image consultants. Tied into an athletes image is the team and city in which they play for. No athlete is going to play for a perennial loser unless that team either pays him a ridiculous amount of money or has other fringe benefits.
The Browns image is that of a poor team of cast-offs and underdogs that play for blue collar fans in a dead industrial town. While that was a fantastic image back in the 70s and early 80s, it doesn't translate well to today. The emphasis of your generation was hard work and family, while the core tenet of my generation is appearance
In order to get fans and FAs alike, change your perception. It's worked for the Seahawks. It's worked for the Lions. It's worked for the 49ers. All three teams have changed their identity, all three have experienced marked success.
In order to get fans and FAs alike, change your perception. It's worked for the Seahawks. It's worked for the Lions. It's worked for the 49ers. All three teams have changed their identity, all three have experienced marked success.
The 4-12 Lions?
What worked for the 49ers was getting a great coach to go along with top talent they were already accumulating before they were cool.
The Seahawks got a franchise QB in the third round. They nailed it, good for them, but it didn't have anything to do with uniforms or perception.
The teams in the NFL with a real identity are the teams with a great system, that draft consistently well, have solid coaching and nail the quarterback thing: Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Packers etc ... those are who everybody would want to play for. Cold cities, ugly uniforms, great tradition of consistent winning year in and year out.
The guys that chose warm weather cities usually end up on an 8-8 team watching the playoffs. The guys that chose a team based on its uniforms ... well, there aren't any of those guys.
If the Browns start drafting right, nail the QB thing and get a solid coaching system to work ... they have just as good a chance of success as anyone else. Success breeds success and attracts talent.
Zombo
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Gotta love the off season.
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In order to get fans and FAs alike, change your perception. It's worked for the Seahawks. It's worked for the Lions. It's worked for the 49ers. All three teams have changed their identity, all three have experienced marked success.
The 4-12 Lions?
What worked for the 49ers was getting a great coach to go along with top talent they were already accumulating before they were cool.
The Seahawks got a franchise QB in the third round. They nailed it, good for them, but it didn't have anything to do with uniforms or perception.
The teams in the NFL with a real identity are the teams with a great system, that draft consistently well, have solid coaching and nail the quarterback thing: Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Packers etc ... those are who everybody would want to play for. Cold cities, ugly uniforms, great tradition of consistent winning year in and year out.
The guys that chose warm weather cities usually end up on an 8-8 team watching the playoffs. The guys that chose a team based on its uniforms ... well, there aren't any of those guys.
If the Browns start drafting right, nail the QB thing and get a solid coaching system to work ... they have just as good a chance of success as anyone else. Success breeds success and attracts talent.
Zombo
Zombo said:
The 4-12 Lions?
What worked for the 49ers was getting a great coach to go along with top talent they were already accumulating before they were cool.
The Seahawks got a franchise QB in the third round. They nailed it, good for them, but it didn't have anything to do with uniforms or perception.
The teams in the NFL with a real identity are the teams with a great system, that draft consistently well, have solid coaching and nail the quarterback thing: Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Packers etc ... those are who everybody would want to play for. Cold cities, ugly uniforms, great tradition of consistent winning year in and year out.
The guys that chose warm weather cities usually end up on an 8-8 team watching the playoffs. The guys that chose a team based on its uniforms ... well, there aren't any of those guys.
If the Browns start drafting right, nail the QB thing and get a solid coaching system to work ... they have just as good a chance of success as anyone else. Success breeds success and attracts talent.
Zombo
The Lions that made the playoffs the year before that? The Lions with enough talent to beat the Browns with their backups?
I never said anything about uniforms. I couldn't care less what we do with our uniforms. I said we need to change our perception.
We're perceived as a cupcake game; a team that either shoots themselves in the foot or forgets to show up to the game. Under Mangini, we started to change that perception. We started hitting teams in the mouth, beating top teams in the league....then we regressed.
Seattle went and changed their perception from a offense-first pro-style team to a hard hitting, take no bullshit defensive power. They got a coach who is great at recruiting and even better with the media.
The 49ers changed their perception of their WCO/efficient passing/kill them with ball control team to a hardnosed, punch-them-in-the-mouth defense. They got a coach who not only is an innovator but is very outspoken and has become the face of the team.
These are things we need to do. We need to find an identity.
The trouble with drafting is that it normally takes a couple years for your draft picks to pan out. Realistically, you're looking at two solid starters a year and maybe a third if you hit later in the draft. By the time you see what you have, your coaching staff has been fired and the whole process begins anew. We need to supplement with FA talent until the draft picks begin to pan out, but no FA's want to come to Cleveland.
You and Gipper say winning solves everything, but you forget to mention that in order to win we have to add FA's and in order to add FA's, we have to win. If winning were that easy, we would have been doing it by now.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Zombo said:
The 4-12 Lions?
What worked for the 49ers was getting a great coach to go along with top talent they were already accumulating before they were cool.
The Seahawks got a franchise QB in the third round. They nailed it, good for them, but it didn't have anything to do with uniforms or perception.
The teams in the NFL with a real identity are the teams with a great system, that draft consistently well, have solid coaching and nail the quarterback thing: Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Packers etc ... those are who everybody would want to play for. Cold cities, ugly uniforms, great tradition of consistent winning year in and year out.
The guys that chose warm weather cities usually end up on an 8-8 team watching the playoffs. The guys that chose a team based on its uniforms ... well, there aren't any of those guys.
If the Browns start drafting right, nail the QB thing and get a solid coaching system to work ... they have just as good a chance of success as anyone else. Success breeds success and attracts talent.
Zombo
The Lions that made the playoffs the year before that? The Lions with enough talent to beat the Browns with their backups?
I never said anything about uniforms. I couldn't care less what we do with our uniforms. I said we need to change our perception.
We're perceived as a cupcake game; a team that either shoots themselves in the foot or forgets to show up to the game. Under Mangini, we started to change that perception. We started hitting teams in the mouth, beating top teams in the league....then we regressed.
Seattle went and changed their perception from a offense-first pro-style team to a hard hitting, take no bullshit defensive power. They got a coach who is great at recruiting and even better with the media.
The 49ers changed their perception of their WCO/efficient passing/kill them with ball control team to a hardnosed, punch-them-in-the-mouth defense. They got a coach who not only is an innovator but is very outspoken and has become the face of the team.
These are things we need to do. We need to find an identity.
The trouble with drafting is that it normally takes a couple years for your draft picks to pan out. Realistically, you're looking at two solid starters a year and maybe a third if you hit later in the draft. By the time you see what you have, your coaching staff has been fired and the whole process begins anew. We need to supplement with FA talent until the draft picks begin to pan out, but no FA's want to come to Cleveland.
You and Gipper say winning solves everything, but you forget to mention that in order to win we have to add FA's and in order to add FA's, we have to win. If winning were that easy, we would have been doing it by now.
The Lions with enough talent to beat the Browns with their backups?
Maybe they need to play their backups, then, because their starters were worse than ours.
Yeah they had a 10 win season two years ago, just like we did in 07. Problem is, it was sandwiched between 6-10 and and 4-12 seasons, so I don't quite think they have changed the culture there yet.
You and Gipper say winning solves everything, but you forget to mention that in order to win we have to add FA's and in order to add FA's, we have to win. If winning were that easy, we would have been doing it by now.
If you get a good QB, a good coach and top talent in the draft the free agents will come.
If we go 9-7 next year and weeden makes the pro Bowl ... free agents will be jumping in for that three year window with Weeds and Richardson.
If we fall on our face again it's time to hit the re-set button again at QB, which is another two year wait.
We gotta get the QB situation solved. We are drafting good talent on both sides of the ball, finally. We have to win with them to get the attention of free agents. Or overpay. It is what it is.
When a quarterback breaks through, everything will start to fall into place again with this franchise.
Zombo
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oooh. maimi. yeah the heat are full of celebrity players and the weather is great (until hurricane season). big bugs, beyond hot muggy miserable days, it's population made up of cuban, haitian and PR refugees whom 75% are criminals. HEY, BUT THERE'S SOUTH BEACH! who gives a rat's ass.
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You answered yourself. LeBron, Bosh, Wade, Ochocinco, and Reggie Bush give a rats ass.
You answered yourself. LeBron, Bosh, Wade, Ochocinco, and Reggie Bush give a rats ass.
not at all. (you mean ochocinco who played in cinci? reggie bush who will take an offer from anyone? plleeez. bad examples).
if wade was in san antonio and asked wade and bosch to go there, you don't think they would have gone.
fuck miami. fuck the south.
if appearance is the core of your generation's ideals then god help us all. what a fucking dumb thing to say.
i guess i should invest in a mirror making company seeing as how vain you young Awipes are.
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I have a bachelors in Sports and Recreation Management with a double minor in Marketing and Business Ethics and I also have an associates in Business Management.
I measure success by how closely you adhere to following your dreams. My childhood dream was to play professional football, I'll settle on working in the FO of a professional team.
I helped build and brand the area's semi-pro team, going from non-existence to winning the division in 3 years and making a deep playoff run in a league of over 200 teams that stretches all over the Eastern Seaboard. I've been a part of a Division 1 college program that has won their conference three out of the first seven years it existed.
I've seen firsthand what it's like to build a team to succeed immediately. Granted, the NFL is a different beast entirely but some ideas still translate, and the Browns have not been using them.
Whether or not you'd like to believe it, image and perception are awfully important to this generation. It's no longer just about how you play, it's now also about how you're perceived to the public. Hence the reason a majority of the players have image consultants. Tied into an athletes image is the team and city in which they play for. No athlete is going to play for a perennial loser unless that team either pays him a ridiculous amount of money or has other fringe benefits.
The Browns image is that of a poor team of cast-offs and underdogs that play for blue collar fans in a dead industrial town. While that was a fantastic image back in the 70s and early 80s, it doesn't translate well to today. The emphasis of your generation was hard work and family, while the core tenet of my generation is appearance
In order to get fans and FAs alike, change your perception. It's worked for the Seahawks. It's worked for the Lions. It's worked for the 49ers. All three teams have changed their identity, all three have experienced marked success.
I have a bachelors in Sports and Recreation Management with a double minor in Marketing and Business Ethics and I also have an associates in Business Management.
I measure success by how closely you adhere to following your dreams. My childhood dream was to play professional football, I'll settle on working in the FO of a professional team.
I helped build and brand the area's semi-pro team, going from non-existence to winning the division in 3 years and making a deep playoff run in a league of over 200 teams that stretches all over the Eastern Seaboard. I've been a part of a Division 1 college program that has won their conference three out of the first seven years it existed.
I've seen firsthand what it's like to build a team to succeed immediately. Granted, the NFL is a different beast entirely but some ideas still translate, and the Browns have not been using them.
Whether or not you'd like to believe it, image and perception are awfully important to this generation. It's no longer just about how you play, it's now also about how you're perceived to the public. Hence the reason a majority of the players have image consultants. Tied into an athletes image is the team and city in which they play for. No athlete is going to play for a perennial loser unless that team either pays him a ridiculous amount of money or has other fringe benefits.
The Browns image is that of a poor team of cast-offs and underdogs that play for blue collar fans in a dead industrial town. While that was a fantastic image back in the 70s and early 80s, it doesn't translate well to today. The emphasis of your generation was hard work and family, while the core tenet of my generation is appearance
In order to get fans and FAs alike, change your perception. It's worked for the Seahawks. It's worked for the Lions. It's worked for the 49ers. All three teams have changed their identity, all three have experienced marked success.
The Steelers/Bears/Packers/and a few other teams play for blue collar fans in dead industrial towns.
But those teams have won because they have had good ownership, management coaching. Just like I said in the very first post associated with this whole argument.
WINNING
WINNING
WINNING
WINNING
WINNING.
Repeat is like a mantra. That is all that matters. Like MarkO said, the San Diego Chargers have an image problem as bad as the Browns, yet that city has the best weather in the country. (he knows, he lives there). Their image is poor because the team does not win.
WINNING. And proper management that leads to winning. That is ALL that matters re an NFL team.
THAT is what has been in short supply around here. Not the sun or anything else.
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Zombo said:
The 4-12 Lions?
What worked for the 49ers was getting a great coach to go along with top talent they were already accumulating before they were cool.
The Seahawks got a franchise QB in the third round. They nailed it, good for them, but it didn't have anything to do with uniforms or perception.
The teams in the NFL with a real identity are the teams with a great system, that draft consistently well, have solid coaching and nail the quarterback thing: Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Packers etc ... those are who everybody would want to play for. Cold cities, ugly uniforms, great tradition of consistent winning year in and year out.
The guys that chose warm weather cities usually end up on an 8-8 team watching the playoffs. The guys that chose a team based on its uniforms ... well, there aren't any of those guys.
If the Browns start drafting right, nail the QB thing and get a solid coaching system to work ... they have just as good a chance of success as anyone else. Success breeds success and attracts talent.
Zombo
The Lions that made the playoffs the year before that? The Lions with enough talent to beat the Browns with their backups?
I never said anything about uniforms. I couldn't care less what we do with our uniforms. I said we need to change our perception.
We're perceived as a cupcake game; a team that either shoots themselves in the foot or forgets to show up to the game. Under Mangini, we started to change that perception. We started hitting teams in the mouth, beating top teams in the league....then we regressed.
Seattle went and changed their perception from a offense-first pro-style team to a hard hitting, take no bullshit defensive power. They got a coach who is great at recruiting and even better with the media.
The 49ers changed their perception of their WCO/efficient passing/kill them with ball control team to a hardnosed, punch-them-in-the-mouth defense. They got a coach who not only is an innovator but is very outspoken and has become the face of the team.
These are things we need to do. We need to find an identity.
The trouble with drafting is that it normally takes a couple years for your draft picks to pan out. Realistically, you're looking at two solid starters a year and maybe a third if you hit later in the draft. By the time you see what you have, your coaching staff has been fired and the whole process begins anew. We need to supplement with FA talent until the draft picks begin to pan out, but no FA's want to come to Cleveland.
You and Gipper say winning solves everything, but you forget to mention that in order to win we have to add FA's and in order to add FA's, we have to win. If winning were that easy, we would have been doing it by now.
The Lions that made the playoffs the year before that? The Lions with enough talent to beat the Browns with their backups?
I never said anything about uniforms. I couldn't care less what we do with our uniforms. I said we need to change our perception.
We're perceived as a cupcake game; a team that either shoots themselves in the foot or forgets to show up to the game. Under Mangini, we started to change that perception. We started hitting teams in the mouth, beating top teams in the league....then we regressed.
Seattle went and changed their perception from a offense-first pro-style team to a hard hitting, take no bullshit defensive power. They got a coach who is great at recruiting and even better with the media.
The 49ers changed their perception of their WCO/efficient passing/kill them with ball control team to a hardnosed, punch-them-in-the-mouth defense. They got a coach who not only is an innovator but is very outspoken and has become the face of the team.
These are things we need to do. We need to find an identity.
The trouble with drafting is that it normally takes a couple years for your draft picks to pan out. Realistically, you're looking at two solid starters a year and maybe a third if you hit later in the draft. By the time you see what you have, your coaching staff has been fired and the whole process begins anew. We need to supplement with FA talent until the draft picks begin to pan out, but no FA's want to come to Cleveland.
You and Gipper say winning solves everything, but you forget to mention that in order to win we have to add FA's and in order to add FA's, we have to win. If winning were that easy, we would have been doing it by now.
Everything you say that is necessary involves on field stuff. And the cold and the river have nothing to do with on field stuff.
And I disagree completely. The BEST teams have been built through the draft...including your Seahawks and 49ers and Lions. Look at this year's two Super Bowl teams. Probably 48 out of the 50 key players on both teams were acquired through the draft. The only one I can think of was Anquan Boldin. And yea, Baltimore. Now there is a town with a stellar image.
See how absurd your argument is? An industrial town with all the urban issues that are as badly perceived as any city in the US holds the NFL Championship. How? Good ownership/management coaching. And they did it all practically through the draft except for that one guy. .
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Zombo said:
The 4-12 Lions?
What worked for the 49ers was getting a great coach to go along with top talent they were already accumulating before they were cool.
The Seahawks got a franchise QB in the third round. They nailed it, good for them, but it didn't have anything to do with uniforms or perception.
The teams in the NFL with a real identity are the teams with a great system, that draft consistently well, have solid coaching and nail the quarterback thing: Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Packers etc ... those are who everybody would want to play for. Cold cities, ugly uniforms, great tradition of consistent winning year in and year out.
The guys that chose warm weather cities usually end up on an 8-8 team watching the playoffs. The guys that chose a team based on its uniforms ... well, there aren't any of those guys.
If the Browns start drafting right, nail the QB thing and get a solid coaching system to work ... they have just as good a chance of success as anyone else. Success breeds success and attracts talent.
Zombo
The Lions that made the playoffs the year before that? The Lions with enough talent to beat the Browns with their backups?
I never said anything about uniforms. I couldn't care less what we do with our uniforms. I said we need to change our perception.
We're perceived as a cupcake game; a team that either shoots themselves in the foot or forgets to show up to the game. Under Mangini, we started to change that perception. We started hitting teams in the mouth, beating top teams in the league....then we regressed.
Seattle went and changed their perception from a offense-first pro-style team to a hard hitting, take no bullshit defensive power. They got a coach who is great at recruiting and even better with the media.
The 49ers changed their perception of their WCO/efficient passing/kill them with ball control team to a hardnosed, punch-them-in-the-mouth defense. They got a coach who not only is an innovator but is very outspoken and has become the face of the team.
These are things we need to do. We need to find an identity.
The trouble with drafting is that it normally takes a couple years for your draft picks to pan out. Realistically, you're looking at two solid starters a year and maybe a third if you hit later in the draft. By the time you see what you have, your coaching staff has been fired and the whole process begins anew. We need to supplement with FA talent until the draft picks begin to pan out, but no FA's want to come to Cleveland.
You and Gipper say winning solves everything, but you forget to mention that in order to win we have to add FA's and in order to add FA's, we have to win. If winning were that easy, we would have been doing it by now.
These are things we need to do. We need to find an identity.
This is the only part of your argument that I completely agree with. I said it all last season that teams take on the personality of their coach. Look at the 49ers and Ravens as perfect examples. Seattle is another perfect example of this. It's nearly true throughout the league either in a good way or a bad way. The Browns the last 2 years being a perfect example of a team with zero identity and personality, just like the Retarded coach we had. Hopefully that changes this year and Chud brings some of the things that Mangini had going during his time. Mangini wasn't the most successful coach in history, but I think the team was on the right track.
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