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  • BendMeOverB BendMeOver

    @gftchris said:

    I get it, you want to have your own guys in place, but why not do this immediately? Why wait until after the draft - the focal point of your college talent evaluation for the year?

    You don't want a rival to hire the guy you plan to fire before the draft, because then they'll know you basic draft plans. These guys are always canned post-draft.

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #7

    Endymion said:

    You don't want a rival to hire the guy you plan to fire before the draft, because then they'll know you basic draft plans. These guys are always canned post-draft.

    Yeah, fair enough, hadn't thought of it that way. But does that mean we'd already hired Banner/Lombardi's guys in the meantime? Or were we just trusting guys we didn't like for this draft?

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    Endymion said:

    You don't want a rival to hire the guy you plan to fire before the draft, because then they'll know you basic draft plans. These guys are always canned post-draft.

    Yeah, fair enough, hadn't thought of it that way. But does that mean we'd already hired Banner/Lombardi's guys in the meantime? Or were we just trusting guys we didn't like for this draft?

    BendMeOverB BendMeOver wrote on
    #8

    @gftchris said:

    Or were we just trusting guys we didn't like for this draft?

    Scouts usually don't make headlines, but you probably had a number of Banner/Lombardi's guys on the payroll. Pat Roberts was probably consulted in the war room, but they probably didn't rely on his information to make decisions.

  • thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #9

    This seems like good news... I mean look at our team the past 5-8 years, not exactly a major scouting success I'd say. Bring on some new talent that'll find us good talent...right?

    #Justsayin'
  • thenew23T thenew23

    This seems like good news... I mean look at our team the past 5-8 years, not exactly a major scouting success I'd say. Bring on some new talent that'll find us good talent...right?

    BendMeOverB BendMeOver wrote on
    #10

    @thenew23 said:

    Bring on some new talent that'll find us good talent...right?

    Not necessarily. Scouts evaluate the talent and to a degree rank the talent. The GMs/coaches actually select the talent. He may have done a very good job evaluating talent. In the end, his personality may not have meshed with Banner/Lombardi.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    I get it, you want to have your own guys in place, but why not do this immediately? Why wait until after the draft - the focal point of your college talent evaluation for the year?

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #11

    @gftchris said:

    I get it, you want to have your own guys in place, but why not do this immediately? Why wait until after the draft - the focal point of your college talent evaluation for the year?

    Because as is generally the case, the entire crew of a scouting department have contracts that extend through the teams draft.

    Now that the draft is concluded the current scouting staff can be let go without violating their employment agreements.

    The Top guy...the GM has no such contract, but the scouts do.

    So, yes, Lombardi will want his staff in here.....though is anyone here confident that he will do a better job of bringing in better scouts.

    And yes, it is not something I thought about, but their decision to trade those picks to defer them til next may indeed be motivated by Lombanner wanting "their guys" to be involved.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @gftchris said:

    I get it, you want to have your own guys in place, but why not do this immediately? Why wait until after the draft - the focal point of your college talent evaluation for the year?

    Because as is generally the case, the entire crew of a scouting department have contracts that extend through the teams draft.

    Now that the draft is concluded the current scouting staff can be let go without violating their employment agreements.

    The Top guy...the GM has no such contract, but the scouts do.

    So, yes, Lombardi will want his staff in here.....though is anyone here confident that he will do a better job of bringing in better scouts.

    And yes, it is not something I thought about, but their decision to trade those picks to defer them til next may indeed be motivated by Lombanner wanting "their guys" to be involved.

    nickersN nickers wrote on
    #12

    @the-gipper said:

    Because as is generally the case, the entire crew of a scouting department have contracts that extend through the teams draft.

    Now that the draft is concluded the current scouting staff can be let go without violating their employment agreements.

    The Top guy...the GM has no such contract, but the scouts do.

    So, yes, Lombardi will want his staff in here.....though is anyone here confident that he will do a better job of bringing in better scouts.

    And yes, it is not something I thought about, but their decision to trade those picks to defer them til next may indeed be motivated by Lombanner wanting "their guys" to be involved.

    The idea that this fucked up bastard can bring his own people on board scares the livin crap out of Me...

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • PoeticGP PoeticG wrote on
    #13

    This guys was probably pissed that he did all this scouting work and the Browns FO pissed the bed.

    Probably had Jones, Mathieu and Rambo rated off the charts and the Browns Headquarters probably got a chair through the window... πŸ˜†

    The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain-
  • PoeticGP PoeticG

    This guys was probably pissed that he did all this scouting work and the Browns FO pissed the bed.

    Probably had Jones, Mathieu and Rambo rated off the charts and the Browns Headquarters probably got a chair through the window... πŸ˜†

    VaporTrailV VaporTrail wrote on
    #14

    @poeticg said:

    This guys was probably pissed that he did all this scouting work and the Browns FO pissed the bed.

    Probably had Jones, Mathieu and Rambo rated off the charts and the Browns Headquarters probably got a chair through the window... πŸ˜†

    Give it the fuck up already. If they all have break out seasons, by all means, go ahead and complain, but just shut the fuck up about them not picking the guys that you wanted.

  • VaporTrailV VaporTrail

    @poeticg said:

    This guys was probably pissed that he did all this scouting work and the Browns FO pissed the bed.

    Probably had Jones, Mathieu and Rambo rated off the charts and the Browns Headquarters probably got a chair through the window... πŸ˜†

    Give it the fuck up already. If they all have break out seasons, by all means, go ahead and complain, but just shut the fuck up about them not picking the guys that you wanted.

    Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on
    #15

    @vaportrail said:

    Give it the fuck up already. If they all have break out seasons, by all means, go ahead and complain, but just shut the fuck up about them not picking the guys that you wanted.

    Agreed! The draft is over, we got who we got, the scout is gone, & what is to be done will be done. It's part of life...not all are happy, but we accept what we have & deal with it. End of story. Quitcherbitchin!

    Mike

    INΒ DORSEY I TRUST
  • PoeticGP PoeticG wrote on
    #16

    This thread is about one of our scouts getting dumped. I've merely giving my 2 cents on what caused this. Quit telling me what to do. I do what the fuck I want to do, I say what the fuck I want to say. If you don't like it... I don't give 2 fucks. I'm stating my opinion, which whether you like it or not, is just as good as anybody elses. If you don't agree that's fine, I may not agree with you either but I'm not telling people to shut up. This is the internet, not your house Momma.

    The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain-
    πŸ‘
  • PoeticGP PoeticG

    This thread is about one of our scouts getting dumped. I've merely giving my 2 cents on what caused this. Quit telling me what to do. I do what the fuck I want to do, I say what the fuck I want to say. If you don't like it... I don't give 2 fucks. I'm stating my opinion, which whether you like it or not, is just as good as anybody elses. If you don't agree that's fine, I may not agree with you either but I'm not telling people to shut up. This is the internet, not your house Momma.

    Erie DawgE Erie Dawg wrote on
    #17

    @poeticg said:

    This thread is about one of our scouts getting dumped. I've merely giving my 2 cents on what caused this. Quit telling me what to do. I do what the fuck I want to do, I say what the fuck I want to say. If you don't like it... I don't give 2 fucks. I'm stating my opinion, which whether you like it or not, is just as good as anybody elses. If you don't agree that's fine, I may not agree with you either but I'm not telling people to shut up. This is the internet, not your house Momma.

    yes but we have heard your rant in every other thread in the past couple days, I agree with vapor, we get it.

    frankly im glad you dont like the draft because that means the players we drafted will be studs, all the guys you have an obsession with seem to suck for some reason...

    πŸ‘
  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #18

    all of the browns scouts, even those here with lombardi on his first stint should be fired. and keep firing them. too many courtney browns, mike powells and steve everitts to make me puke.

    if you ain't good at your job, in my biz, we'll know it within a month, not years.

    fuck 'em all big and small.

  • BadNewsBrownsB BadNewsBrowns wrote on
    #19

    Heckert hired by Broncos

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000167606/article/tom-eckert-joins-denver-broncos-front-office-in-personnel-role

    "All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer
    nickersN Erie DawgE 2 Replies
  • BadNewsBrownsB BadNewsBrowns

    Heckert hired by Broncos

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000167606/article/tom-eckert-joins-denver-broncos-front-office-in-personnel-role

    nickersN nickers wrote on
    #20

    @badnewsbrowns said:

    The Browns meanwhile, continue to be stuck om stupid...

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • Z Zombo wrote on
    #21

    The Browns don't "continue" anything ... New owner, New CEO, New president, New GM, New asst. GM, New Head Coach, New DC, New OC ... Haven't played a single game yet ... What have they done that is "stupid"?

    Z

    nickersN 1 Reply
  • BadNewsBrownsB BadNewsBrowns

    Heckert hired by Broncos

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000167606/article/tom-eckert-joins-denver-broncos-front-office-in-personnel-role

    Erie DawgE Erie Dawg wrote on
    #22

    @badnewsbrowns said:

    Heckert hired by Broncos

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000167606/article/tom-eckert-joins-denver-broncos-front-office-in-personnel-role

    I have a feeling this one will come back to bite us in the ass.
  • Erie DawgE Erie Dawg

    @badnewsbrowns said:

    Heckert hired by Broncos

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000167606/article/tom-eckert-joins-denver-broncos-front-office-in-personnel-role

    I have a feeling this one will come back to bite us in the ass.
    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #23

    @erie-dawg said:

    I have a feeling this one will come back to bite us in the ass.

    yeah. i really don't understand the whole 'old boy' network where you have to have 'your' guys no matter what. i mean if you come in and buy a team, don't you have evaluators and advisors who can look up and down every FO position and decide who has done a good job and is worthy to keep? such a holmgren-like setup.

    heckert IMO did a very good job and has set up the browns for success for years. banner and lombardi look like a couple of rats waiting for the A train garbage to be dumped out the shitter.

    and no this is no a bitter bitch post about the draft or anything else. i'm just saying that in the world of biz there is some shady shit that goes on.

  • VagitronV Vagitron wrote on
    #24

    They should hire that savant Gipper to be the new Senior scout. *cough*

    AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month)
  • VagitronV Vagitron

    They should hire that savant Gipper to be the new Senior scout. *cough*

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #25

    @vagitron said:

    They should hire that savant Gipper to be the new Senior scout. *cough*

    We could take a vote:

    Choose between me and the Vagina as to who the Browns should hire as a scout:

    Vote:

    The Gipper:

    Vagitron:

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @vagitron said:

    They should hire that savant Gipper to be the new Senior scout. *cough*

    We could take a vote:

    Choose between me and the Vagina as to who the Browns should hire as a scout:

    Vote:

    The Gipper:

    Vagitron:

    VagitronV Vagitron wrote on
    #26

    @the-gipper said:

    We could take a vote:

    Choose between me and the Vagina as to who the Browns should hire as a scout:

    Vote:

    The Gipper:

    Vagitron:

    all you would do is get players names wrong like your recent misstep "davonte best"

    Gipper: "It was a typo"

    AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month)
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