Vickers Cut By Cowboys
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Then its isolated to this board. FBs are relatively useless, unless they can run, block and catch. Vickers was 1 of those 3, and a dead giveaway to the defense we were running the ball. Might as well send the D a telegram....
Norv has a history of using versatile FBs a bit, but not to a great degree.
Why not explain to us the importance of the FB in today's passing league. I'm curious.....
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You may... but the league doesn't. It's a dying position. Most teams prefer more receivers on the field and when they want a lead blocker just let the TE/H-back shift into the backfield. After Vickers got cut, Sobo instantly Tweeted that the position has become more than diminished... it's becoming extinct. Look at whatsisname, that uber-FB from Baltimore. They didn't seem the slightest bit concerned about losing him and nobody's fighting over him.
So what you understand so well is entirely false. But that's the world we live in.
your the only one (that doesnt give a shit) Shep...The rest of us understand the importance of having one...
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Then its isolated to this board. FBs are relatively useless, unless they can run, block and catch. Vickers was 1 of those 3, and a dead giveaway to the defense we were running the ball. Might as well send the D a telegram....
Norv has a history of using versatile FBs a bit, but not to a great degree.
Why not explain to us the importance of the FB in today's passing league. I'm curious.....
I don't wanna beat on Nick because he's far from the only football fan who digs in a little against how dramatically the league is changing. RBs are becoming hugely devalued, 3-4 ILBs are getting smaller and faster, and "fullback" is becoming a term or grandchildren might not even know.
Prior to last year, the last 10 Super Bowl participants average rushing rank... was 23rd.
Then its isolated to this board. FBs are relatively useless, unless they can run, block and catch. Vickers was 1 of those 3, and a dead giveaway to the defense we were running the ball. Might as well send the D a telegram....
Norv has a history of using versatile FBs a bit, but not to a great degree.
Why not explain to us the importance of the FB in today's passing league. I'm curious..... -
I'm not trying to be a dick either, just curious on his take. I'm sure you saw servos (?) Breakdown of norvs historic use of fullbacks, which suggests he doesn't use them unless they are dynamic and versatile....
Leech and Vickers are old school fullbacks, which are useless nowadays.
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Norv and especially Chud are innovators who like to stay at the front edge (like Chud embracing the RO)... and both have creatively skirted the need for a conventional fullback over the past couple years.
I really think we'll see a lot of one-back (I believe T-Rich prefers it) and Kellen Davis or Barnidge shifting into the backfield on certain plays. It just isn't something GMs or coaches are sitting around talking about, their desperate search for a blocking fullback.
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They're not really useless, but there's now more being required of them. The traditional throwback FB is obsolete, in favor of a more offensive threat that can do other things rather than block. Coaches can scheme better protection, rather than utilize a roster spot on a guy that can't really do much other than block.
Just the way its progressing....otherwise, leech would have been snatched up shorty after being released.
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http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2013/1/30/3933932/chargers-cut-him-or-keep-him-leron-mcclain
Not really if you consider how little he was used, Mikey. Simply signing a guy proves nothing....how he's used and production does.
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Vicker's has been trying to remain in Texas since he left Cle. it will be interesting to see if offered work elsewhere if he will take it and where he eventually ends up...if anywhere.
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More and more, when a team wants a lead blocker, they drop a TE back. Makes it less predictable and doesn't waste a roster spot on a guy who won't be in the lineup all that much.
It's one of those things you don't have to like... but it's pretty impossible to deny. Just like "big run-stuffing middle linebackers" aren't going to be at the top of anybody's shopping list in a passing league.
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More and more, when a team wants a lead blocker, they drop a TE back. Makes it less predictable and doesn't waste a roster spot on a guy who won't be in the lineup all that much.
It's one of those things you don't have to like... but it's pretty impossible to deny. Just like "big run-stuffing middle linebackers" aren't going to be at the top of anybody's shopping list in a passing league.
More and more, when a team wants a lead blocker, they drop a TE back. Makes it less predictable and doesn't waste a roster spot on a guy who won't be in the lineup all that much.
It's one of those things you don't have to like... but it's pretty impossible to deny. Just like "big run-stuffing middle linebackers" aren't going to be at the top of anybody's shopping list in a passing league.
Tell that to Chicago who took Bostic at 50.
Then again, they're stuck in the 80s.
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Indeed. We're at a place where a downhill "banger" is tough to field except in short yardage situations. You need so damn many cover guys.
Indeed. We're at a place where a downhill "banger" is tough to field except in short yardage situations. You need so damn many cover guys.
If the fullback is going to be used rarely, then yes, why waste a roster spot on the position? If you are only going to use a blocking back for 5-10 plays a game, then do what the Bears did with The Refrigerator, or what the 49ers did with OG Guy McIntyre, or like NE did with Mike Vrabel. Use your nose tackle as your FB. Or your extra OG, or an LB that can be a FB or TE.. Some 320 pound earth mover rather than a 250 pound FB. Couldn't Ismaely Kitchen or Phil Taylor do as good a job of opening the occasional hole as Owen Marecic does?
The question comes into play when a team wants to make a FB an integral part of the passing game. Vickers could do that, be a swing man out of the backfield? But could not also say, Jaball Sheard?
Just a thought.
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Indeed. We're at a place where a downhill "banger" is tough to field except in short yardage situations. You need so damn many cover guys.
If the fullback is going to be used rarely, then yes, why waste a roster spot on the position? If you are only going to use a blocking back for 5-10 plays a game, then do what the Bears did with The Refrigerator, or what the 49ers did with OG Guy McIntyre, or like NE did with Mike Vrabel. Use your nose tackle as your FB. Or your extra OG, or an LB that can be a FB or TE.. Some 320 pound earth mover rather than a 250 pound FB. Couldn't Ismaely Kitchen or Phil Taylor do as good a job of opening the occasional hole as Owen Marecic does?
The question comes into play when a team wants to make a FB an integral part of the passing game. Vickers could do that, be a swing man out of the backfield? But could not also say, Jaball Sheard?
Just a thought.
Well, I mean, if the fullback is going to be used rarely, then yes, why waste a roster spot on the position? I mean, if you are only going to use a blocking back for 5-10 plays a game, then do what the Bears did with The Refrigerator, or what the 49ers did with OG Guy McIntyre, or like NE did with Mike Vrabel. Use your nose tackle as your FB. Or your extra OG, or an LB that can be a FB or TE.. Some 320 pound earth mover rather than a 250 pound FB. I mean, couldn't Ismaely Kitchen or Phil Taylor do as good a job of opening the occasional hole as Owen Marecic does?
The question comes into play when a team wants to make a FB an integral part of the passing game. Vickers could do that, be a swing man out of the backfield? But could not also say, Jaball Sheard?
Just a thought.
The 49ers have been doing that for years- using linemen at FB and TE or running passing plays out of Jumbo or Unbalanced formations. A couple years ago I believe they had two OL score touchdowns in a season.
Marecic was an interesting experiment, as he was also a decent LB. The experiment failed.
Chud and Turner like athletic, small, stocky FB's. they both used Mike Tolbert, and Turner also utilized Jacob Hester for a while. We don't have one of those yet, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Dion Lewis play at FB occasionally.
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Wouldn't tiny Dion Lewis (he's like 180) be a bit of a stretch for "small fullback?" He's a small human.
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Somebody earlier made an excellent point - Vickers wasn't versatile enough, and wasn't quick.
Smelley is the guy, but Marecic is geared up to redeeming himself this coming season. OTH, a one dimensional
fullback is outdated, I think, like Shep says. I think Smelley was recommended by Richardson.
I would LOVE to see Sheard line up at fullback !
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Wouldn't tiny Dion Lewis (he's like 180) be a bit of a stretch for "small fullback?" He's a small human.
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Wouldn't tiny Dion Lewis (he's like 180) be a bit of a stretch for "small fullback?" He's a small human.
Wouldn't tiny Dion Lewis (he's like 180) be a bit of a stretch for "small fullback?" He's a small human.
Not necessarily. As NFL teams rely more and more on the pass, higher value is placed on hybrid type players.
Lewis wouldn't be a fullback in the traditional sense, but just another mismatch. There have been instances of teams lining up in the I form with two backs rather than a FB and RB. It's not uncommon in the least.
There's not a LB alive who could cover Lewis man-on (except maybe Patrick Willis). Having Lewis at FB would either cause the defense to reveal and change their coverage or risk getting gashed.
It's not an every down thing but I would hope that Chud and Turner would ateast utitlize this a couple times. It's an elementary mismatch.
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