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  • VaporTrailV VaporTrail

    Ward, absolutely. The guy is going to be a baller for a long time, and he's a big part of why our defense is so nasty. Mack is an outstanding talent, maybe the best in the NFL, but the positional importance is pretty low. I agree with the 1m bump, but if he wants to be the top paid center in the league, let someone else do it.

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #14

    @vaportrail said:

    Ward, absolutely. The guy is going to be a baller for a long time, and he's a big part of why our defense is so nasty. Mack is an outstanding talent, maybe the best in the NFL, but the positional importance is pretty low. I agree with the 1m bump, but if he wants to be the top paid center in the league, let someone else do it.

    the center is a position of low importance? no way. if the jets didn't have nick mangold they'd have been shit for 7 years now.

    i would resign ward for close to top five money but he is definitely not top five worthy. mack, give him a little more if he doesn't want to be here, then that solves the problem of who we pick first.

  • BadNewsBrownsB BadNewsBrowns wrote on
    #15

    Ward has pissed me off in the past with his half assed attempts at tackling whiffing at a guys legs and not wrapping up but he has really been playing lights out lately and coming into his own in this D, got to lock him up.

    Mack kinda worries me we should have signed him to an extension... I got a feeling Banner might let him walk.. one thing to keep in mind.. and correct me if I'm wrong here but if we were to have to franchise Mack we'd have to pay him according to the average O-Lineman salary not specifically Center average.. if so that might be too big of a price tag to pay.

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  • LBC mikeL LBC mike wrote on
    #16

    I like both players. Ward stated he wants to stay and Mack has been rumored on not liking Cleveland. Offer both more money but I would not dump a whole crap load of money on them. Ward has been hit and miss this season in his play. Mack has been solid.

  • BadNewsBrownsB BadNewsBrowns

    Ward has pissed me off in the past with his half assed attempts at tackling whiffing at a guys legs and not wrapping up but he has really been playing lights out lately and coming into his own in this D, got to lock him up.

    Mack kinda worries me we should have signed him to an extension... I got a feeling Banner might let him walk.. one thing to keep in mind.. and correct me if I'm wrong here but if we were to have to franchise Mack we'd have to pay him according to the average O-Lineman salary not specifically Center average.. if so that might be too big of a price tag to pay.

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on
    #17

    @badnewsbrowns said:

    Ward has pissed me off in the past with his half assed attempts at tackling whiffing at a guys legs and not wrapping up but he has really been playing lights out lately and coming into his own in this D, got to lock him up.

    Mack kinda worries me we should have signed him to an extension... I got a feeling Banner might let him walk.. one thing to keep in mind.. and correct me if I'm wrong here but if we were to have to franchise Mack we'd have to pay him according to the average O-Lineman salary not specifically Center average.. if so that might be too big of a price tag to pay.

    Nope, it's starting centers. It's somewhat position centric. It is guards\guards, tackles\tackles. Though no one would ever franchise a fullback anymore- they wouldn't get paid like Adrian Peterson.

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @badnewsbrowns said:

    Ward has pissed me off in the past with his half assed attempts at tackling whiffing at a guys legs and not wrapping up but he has really been playing lights out lately and coming into his own in this D, got to lock him up.

    Mack kinda worries me we should have signed him to an extension... I got a feeling Banner might let him walk.. one thing to keep in mind.. and correct me if I'm wrong here but if we were to have to franchise Mack we'd have to pay him according to the average O-Lineman salary not specifically Center average.. if so that might be too big of a price tag to pay.

    Nope, it's starting centers. It's somewhat position centric. It is guards\guards, tackles\tackles. Though no one would ever franchise a fullback anymore- they wouldn't get paid like Adrian Peterson.

    BadNewsBrownsB BadNewsBrowns wrote on
    #18

    @hoorta said:

    Nope, it's starting centers. It's somewhat position centric. It is guards\guards, tackles\tackles. Though no one would ever franchise a fullback anymore- they wouldn't get paid like Adrian Peterson.

    You sure about that? Only info I could find on it is Wiki and this article, both saying Offensive Lineman as one group @ 9.8 million.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchise_tag

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000146214/article/nfl-nflpa-release-franchise-tag-numbers

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1553248-nfl-franchise-tag-2013-explaining-rules-types-and-values-for-every-position

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  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid

    I'd like to keep both but Banner had a reputation of being cheap as hell in Philly

    W Westside Steve wrote on
    #19

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    I'd like to keep both but Banner had a reputation of being cheap as hell in Philly

    Exactly.

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  • Flyin JF Flyin J wrote on
    #20

    Yes all linebackers, dlineman and o lineman are grouped up. Which is bullshit consodering the tag for a center would be approximately 6 mill where it would cost us 10 mill the way its setup now. Lets hope we can get Mack extended.

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  • ComeonmanC Comeonman wrote on
    #21

    Throw 6 mil a year at Mack and hope he stays, we need him. As I type this it hits me yet again that an athlete (entertainer) makes at times 20 to 30 times what a Cardiologist (or insert other) makes. My brain wanders at times, but that is pretty ridiculous to me

  • Flyin JF Flyin J

    Yes all linebackers, dlineman and o lineman are grouped up. Which is bullshit consodering the tag for a center would be approximately 6 mill where it would cost us 10 mill the way its setup now. Lets hope we can get Mack extended.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #22

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    Yes all linebackers, dlineman and o lineman are grouped up. Which is bullshit consodering the tag for a center would be approximately 6 mill where it would cost us 10 mill the way its setup now. Lets hope we can get Mack extended.

    True, but for franchise tags the offer must be either the lesser of the group's top 5 salary average or 120% of the player's prior year salary. So you can buy one year for a 20% bump in salary. Then there's the whole exclusive and non-exclusive negotiating rights subcategories. Non-exclusive gets you the right of first refusal to match offer or picks, if you decide not to match. Exclusive means you guarantee to piss your player off completely.

    For the transition tag the offer is either the greater of the average of the top ten salaries in the group or 120% of prior year. And you get get right of first refusal, etc...

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  • WRREBELW WRREBEL wrote on
    #23

    Make them restricted free agents, use your 1rst and 2nd round tender on both of them. This will give us a chance to match any offer and also give us compensation if they leave.

    I think we finally have management and coaches who know what they are doing. Keeping a team together especially good locker room guys who are young and quality players should be our goal.

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