Ben Tate
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@NFL_ATL: Browns are "one of several teams" who would be interested in RB Ben Tate, who is likely done in Houston, @RapSheet said on @nflnetwork
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@NFL_ATL: Browns are "one of several teams" who would be interested in RB Ben Tate, who is likely done in Houston, @RapSheet said on @nflnetwork
@NFL_ATL: Browns are "one of several teams" who would be interested in RB Ben Tate, who is likely done in Houston, @RapSheet said on @nflnetwork
Thats old news..
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Honestly with the short shelf life of RBs I'd rather they address this position in the draft, and look at free agency for OL, WR, and CB.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
@NFL_ATL: Browns are "one of several teams" who would be interested in RB Ben Tate, who is likely done in Houston, @RapSheet said on @nflnetwork
Thats old news..
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Honestly with the short shelf life of RBs I'd rather they address this position in the draft, and look at free agency for OL, WR, and CB.
Honestly with the short shelf life of RBs I'd rather they address this position in the draft, and look at free agency for OL, WR, and CB.
I agree with this. Good RBs tend to perform well from year 1, so why pay bigger bucks for a somewhat "shop worn" free agent? With the rookie pay scale, they can both save money & get a back with more tread left on the tires.
Mike
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@mike-h said:
However, given how insignificant the running game is to this regime, I'd be confused if it happened.
With Trent gone and Lewis hurt, I don't blame them. Also we shouldn't be asking our o line to do much multi tasking, even though it's routine throughout the league. If we addressed the O line in the draft and/or FA, as well as an offseason acquisition of a RB either in the draft or FA...than I think they would make it more of a priority. Right now it's just kitchen sink we're throwing back there.
That being said, if possible we should wait till after the draft before we make a FA decision. If we were to get Carlos Hyde, for example, we shouldn't spend money on Tate because we'll have Lewis and Hyde next year. Only if we can't get a decent RB in the draft should we concentrate on FA in that position.
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@mike-h said:
However, given how insignificant the running game is to this regime, I'd be confused if it happened.
With Trent gone and Lewis hurt, I don't blame them. Also we shouldn't be asking our o line to do much multi tasking, even though it's routine throughout the league. If we addressed the O line in the draft and/or FA, as well as an offseason acquisition of a RB either in the draft or FA...than I think they would make it more of a priority. Right now it's just kitchen sink we're throwing back there.
That being said, if possible we should wait till after the draft before we make a FA decision. If we were to get Carlos Hyde, for example, we shouldn't spend money on Tate because we'll have Lewis and Hyde next year. Only if we can't get a decent RB in the draft should we concentrate on FA in that position.
With Trent gone and Lewis hurt, I don't blame them. Also we shouldn't be asking our o line to do much multi tasking, even though it's routine throughout the league. If we addressed the O line in the draft and/or FA, as well as an offseason acquisition of a RB either in the draft or FA...than I think they would make it more of a priority. Right now it's just kitchen sink we're throwing back there.
That being said, if possible we should wait till after the draft before we make a FA decision. If we were to get Carlos Hyde, for example, we shouldn't spend money on Tate because we'll have Lewis and Hyde next year. Only if we can't get a decent RB in the draft should we concentrate on FA in that position.
You cannot wait until after the draft. The system doesn't work that way. They have now even pushed the draft back a couple of weeks into May, where the FA period starts like March 15 or something. So, no, you have to pick up your FAs....then fill the holes with the draft that you didn't fill in FA.
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With Trent gone and Lewis hurt, I don't blame them. Also we shouldn't be asking our o line to do much multi tasking, even though it's routine throughout the league. If we addressed the O line in the draft and/or FA, as well as an offseason acquisition of a RB either in the draft or FA...than I think they would make it more of a priority. Right now it's just kitchen sink we're throwing back there.
That being said, if possible we should wait till after the draft before we make a FA decision. If we were to get Carlos Hyde, for example, we shouldn't spend money on Tate because we'll have Lewis and Hyde next year. Only if we can't get a decent RB in the draft should we concentrate on FA in that position.
You cannot wait until after the draft. The system doesn't work that way. They have now even pushed the draft back a couple of weeks into May, where the FA period starts like March 15 or something. So, no, you have to pick up your FAs....then fill the holes with the draft that you didn't fill in FA.
You cannot wait until after the draft. The system doesn't work that way. They have now even pushed the draft back a couple of weeks into May, where the FA period starts like March 15 or something. So, no, you have to pick up your FAs....then fill the holes with the draft that you didn't fill in FA.
That's exactly it. I think you then evaluate the talent pool in the draft, and let that inform your free agent pursuits. If the draft looks weak for a particular position that you need, then I think you have to be more aggressive in free agency to fill that need.
I wouldn't mind the Ben Tate signing, I agree he probably has a lot of runs left in him, I just think they could get someone with fresher legs from the third round of the draft.
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Honestly, I wouldn't be too excited about picking up Tate unless it was really cheap.
Yes, he runs hard and can make plays when he is on the field, but he's injured way too often. He was actually just shut down for the season today after having rib and other injury problems all year. Reminds me a little too much of the Hardesty situation. I think we can find better backs out there, whether it be in FA or in the draft.
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Honestly, I wouldn't be too excited about picking up Tate unless it was really cheap.
Yes, he runs hard and can make plays when he is on the field, but he's injured way too often. He was actually just shut down for the season today after having rib and other injury problems all year. Reminds me a little too much of the Hardesty situation. I think we can find better backs out there, whether it be in FA or in the draft.
Honestly, I wouldn't be too excited about picking up Tate unless it was really cheap.
Yes, he runs hard and can make plays when he is on the field, but he's injured way too often. He was actually just shut down for the season today after having rib and other injury problems all year. Reminds me a little too much of the Hardesty situation. I think we can find better backs out there, whether it be in FA or in the draft.
Yea, at best he would be a replacement for Willis McGahee. A third string back. Get a good rookie....they can be had. A Giovanni Bernard type.....if you can't get they Hyde's or the Williams.
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whehter we pick up Tate or not we still need two other positions in the backfield to address. A heavy lifter like Hyde and a "real" FB. I think the FB might be the most important of them all tbh. I want someone like Vickers back in Cleveland. Hyde running behind a diesel FB like Vickers was will be short yardage pain for any team. I get the issue that you have to make the move before the draft..but that sucks. If we get Hyde I see no reason for Tate because we have complimentary backs. Tate is that hybrid 220'ish workhorse back which we wouldn't need if we get Hyde. Hyde and Tate don't compliment each other as well as Hyde and some of the guys we actuall have on our roster right now. All predicated on that FB acquisition though. We don't get a real FB it doesn't matter.
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No reason we can't sign Tate and draft a good rookie. Are we really that stacked in the backfield??? Having Lewis (injured), Hyde (rookie), and Tate (veteran) in the backfield sounds pretty good to me. Plus, who cares about money? We're well enough under the cap to get some offense happening over the offseason...
Ben Tate reminds me Michael Turner when he was in SD, he backed up a great running back his whole career until he finally got the chance in ATL and did great for a few years... I'd take it...
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Rookies are hungrier than free agents. once these FA's get their money, some have a tendency to take off more plays than they have in the past. Factor in a FA player already
wearing a championship ring and the number of plays they dog increases. i.e Kruger Reiteratively, Cleveland is not an attractive option for those FA's whose desire to win
sooner than later no matter what the payoff is. Draft needs to be top priority for the Browns.
Browns need to clean house of current RB's and rebuild from ground up.
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Rookies are hungrier than free agents. once these FA's get their money, some have a tendency to take off more plays than they have in the past. Factor in a FA player already
wearing a championship ring and the number of plays they dog increases. i.e Kruger Reiteratively, Cleveland is not an attractive option for those FA's whose desire to win
sooner than later no matter what the payoff is. Draft needs to be top priority for the Browns.
Browns need to clean house of current RB's and rebuild from ground up.
Rookies are hungrier than free agents. once these FA's get their money, some have a tendency to take off more plays than they have in the past. Factor in a FA player already
wearing a championship ring and the number of plays they dog increases. i.e Kruger Reiteratively, Cleveland is not an attractive option for those FA's whose desire to win
sooner than later no matter what the payoff is. Draft needs to be top priority for the Browns.
Browns need to clean house of current RB's and rebuild from ground up.
Can't disagree with anything you said.
Z
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Rookies are hungrier than free agents. once these FA's get their money, some have a tendency to take off more plays than they have in the past. Factor in a FA player already
wearing a championship ring and the number of plays they dog increases. i.e Kruger Reiteratively, Cleveland is not an attractive option for those FA's whose desire to win
sooner than later no matter what the payoff is. Draft needs to be top priority for the Browns.
Browns need to clean house of current RB's and rebuild from ground up.
Rookies are hungrier than free agents. once these FA's get their money, some have a tendency to take off more plays than they have in the past. Factor in a FA player already
wearing a championship ring and the number of plays they dog increases. i.e Kruger Reiteratively, Cleveland is not an attractive option for those FA's whose desire to win
sooner than later no matter what the payoff is. Draft needs to be top priority for the Browns.
Browns need to clean house of current RB's and rebuild from ground up.
True. But one could argue that Ben Tate is just as hungry as any rookie we would draft. He has been a backup his whole career on a team with 1 playoff win. Hardly someone that has any reason take plays off. I would still draft a running back but am not opposed to signing Tate. I also see your point with Kruger, but still consider him a quality free agent acquisition considering Cleveland's annual 4-5 win seasons. All it takes is a couple good years and the free agents will gain some interest in the Browns. Truth of the matter is Kruger is better than what we had the last several years.
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Rookies are hungrier than free agents. once these FA's get their money, some have a tendency to take off more plays than they have in the past. Factor in a FA player already
wearing a championship ring and the number of plays they dog increases. i.e Kruger Reiteratively, Cleveland is not an attractive option for those FA's whose desire to win
sooner than later no matter what the payoff is. Draft needs to be top priority for the Browns.
Browns need to clean house of current RB's and rebuild from ground up.
Rookies are hungrier than free agents. once these FA's get their money, some have a tendency to take off more plays than they have in the past. Factor in a FA player already
wearing a championship ring and the number of plays they dog increases. i.e Kruger Reiteratively, Cleveland is not an attractive option for those FA's whose desire to win
sooner than later no matter what the payoff is. Draft needs to be top priority for the Browns.
Browns need to clean house of current RB's and rebuild from ground up.
That's all true.
However, Tate has been a backup his entire career and is hungry to prove he's starting caliber. He's proven to be talented, only to get passed over again. I wouldn't mind signing him and adding a mid round bruiser back in the 4th.
Once again, Turner has 15 seasons of 1,000 yard rushers. He gets the most out of his backs. He hasn't gotten much of anything from this crop, save a strong showing from Baker. I say clean the closet, dump McGahee and Obi, get Tate, a bruising back, and see what Lewis can do and our backfield will be in much better shape.
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Why do people want to drop Obi? He is averaging 4.9 ypc. Most would consider that more than solid for a backup RB. I'm not sold on Tate as a high-price FA, and would rather address RB in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft, but I think Obi is fine for what they are paying him.
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Honestly, I wouldn't be too excited about picking up Tate unless it was really cheap.
Yes, he runs hard and can make plays when he is on the field, but he's injured way too often. He was actually just shut down for the season today after having rib and other injury problems all year. Reminds me a little too much of the Hardesty situation. I think we can find better backs out there, whether it be in FA or in the draft.
@mike-h said:
Tate has plenty of tread left, he was mostly a secondary back his whole career. That said, if he can be had for a reasonable price I'd be fine with signing him. However, given how insignificant the running game is to this regime, I'd be confused if it happened.
Yup... he's not exactly old. Only 25, but has a few miles due to Foster being injured two of Tate's three years in Houston. Only enhances his value, because he has shown he can carry a team's running load.
Yes, he runs hard and can make plays when he is on the field, but he's injured way too often. He was actually just shut down for the season today after having rib and other injury problems all year. Reminds me a little too much of the Hardesty situation. I think we can find better backs out there, whether it be in FA or in the draft.
Too often??? Compared to our collection of RBs he's Superman. 15 games his rookie year, 11 last year and 14 this year... and this year he broke 4 ribs in October and played every game between then and now... What a Pussy! (<--- sarcasm alert)
He's a talented, hard runner. We'd be fortunate to sign him.
No reason we can't sign Tate and draft a good rookie.... Ben Tate reminds me Michael Turner when he was in SD...
Agree and a pretty good comparison there...
Rookies are hungrier than free agents. once these FA's get their money, some have a tendency to take off more plays than they have in the past.
LOL... like no rook has ever taken the money and ran...
Appears I may be in the minority here, but I think there are far more players that disappoint by pressing to perform under the weight of a big contract than put it in cruise.
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