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  • Hoyer plays smart, and has been around. Pettine is impressed with him.

    With Hoyer, no sense in sending any rookie out there from the beginning in regular season.

    Although, if Hoyer had to retire from his injury (not happening)...

    I'd start the rookie straight away before I'd let weedone or campbell see the field.

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  • I agree, jcam. I think there should always be competition for all starting jobs. The player who offers the best possibility for winning should be the starter in every position, including QB.

  • Was Hoyer's success a product of Turners offense and can he excel in a new offensive system of which we have no idea what it will be yet?

  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @hoorta said:

    You're seriously over-rating Manziel. And I'll stand my ground- just like I did telling Shep he was full of shit pimping Quinn. There are scouts that do have him as a top second rounder. The reports having him as the highest bust\reward potential are legion- and I'm taking bust\injury off field asshole risk, thank you very much.

    Thank God Haslam pretty much called the "Manziel at any cost" rumor for what it is- a rumor. I wouldn't even have put it past Weasel Banner to have started it, just to see how Browns fans would react. This fan will puke.

    I'm not. You're seriously putting too much emphasis on the fact that you don't like that he's not 6'5, 230 and a pocket passer. He faced top defenses week in and week out and put up spectacular numbers.

    I'm not a Manziel fan, but I can understand the hype. It's not like Carr, who put up gaudy numbers against weak talent every week. He played quality SEC opponents. He threw for 5 touchdowns against the top ranked defense in the country and then another 4 touchdowns against a 19th ranked Vandy defense. He plays tough teams and puts up great numbers.

    There are scouts that have him in the second round, you're right. There are also many more scouts, most of which with a much better reputation, that have Manziel exactly where he'll be drafted- in the top half of the first round.

    The fact that you don't like his "scrambling style" is duly noted, but ultimately means nothing. I can understand the fear of injury, but anything can happen. A CB tore his ACL in the Senior Bowl in a non contact injury. In 1989, National League MVP Kevin Mitchell pulled a muscle while puking after getting food poisoning and missed time. Jaret Holmes burned himself with fondue. Lionel Letizi pulled a back muscle reaching for a Scrabble tile.

    Point is, shit can happen anywhere, anytime, especially in the NFL. The fear of injury is justified but not a reason to stand pat. As my dad always told me, you'll never hit a homerun if you're too scared to take the bat off your shoulders.

    If we get an OC that favors a fast-paced, spread option, quick fire offense and likes to move the pocket, then Manziel would be great. If we get an OC that wants to go I-Form, pound the rock, play action pass, Bortles would be fantastic. If we get an OC that wants us to throw screens 75% of the time, Carr would be the pick. As long as our QB is put in the best scheme for him to win, I'm happy. But hating on Manziel over trivial matters is just dumb.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    The fact that you don't like his "scrambling style" is duly noted, but ultimately means nothing. I can understand the fear of injury, but anything can happen. A CB tore his ACL in the Senior Bowl in a non contact injury. In 1989, National League MVP Kevin Mitchell pulled a muscle while puking after getting food poisoning and missed time. Jaret Holmes burned himself with fondue. Lionel Letizi pulled a back muscle reaching for a Scrabble tile.

    Lets not forget my personal favorite athlete injury: NHL winger Dustin Penner injuring his back while eating pancakes.

  • i coughed in the shower and was on my back for 6 months. so?

    i ain't making 5 mil a year.

    meanwhile jamarcuss and holmgren made 10 mil. for eating donuts.

  • jcam222J jcam222

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Hoyer performed admirably, but I think we're glamorizing it a bit. He played like garbage in Arizona when given the shot, then came here and played better than what we had. He may have the potential, but I wouldn't want to put all my chips on him and him alone.

    If he can perform like he did against Cincinatti on a consistent basis then, yes, he can be an NFL starter. But let's not ride into the season on an if without at least some sort of other plan. I'd rather have two ifs than one if and nothing else.

    Agree 100% I just believe he has earned the opportunity for a fair competition for the starting job. I would love to see us take a QB and then not force the start due to his draft rank. Make it a legitimate competition and start the winner. If the loser is the rookie let him sit and learn. Although it likely doesn't make sense I would be a fan of taking someone like Bortles in the first round and Garopollo or Mettenberger in the 3rd if possible. Let the competition and learning begin.

    @jcam222 said:

    I just believe he has earned the opportunity for a fair competition for the starting job. I would love to see us take a QB and then not force the start due to his draft rank. Make it a legitimate competition and start the winner.

    hey j, we all know that's not the way it works in the NFL. plenty of QBs were promised a 'fair' competition int the off season. just to have the FOs #1 pick to start because it's 'their' guy.

    in the AFCN the only QB i see starting in this physical division is bortles, and no one here can say he won't be a leinert or a shuler.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    @jcam222 said:

    I just believe he has earned the opportunity for a fair competition for the starting job. I would love to see us take a QB and then not force the start due to his draft rank. Make it a legitimate competition and start the winner.

    hey j, we all know that's not the way it works in the NFL. plenty of QBs were promised a 'fair' competition int the off season. just to have the FOs #1 pick to start because it's 'their' guy.

    in the AFCN the only QB i see starting in this physical division is bortles, and no one here can say he won't be a leinert or a shuler.

    @miktoxic said:

    hey j, we all know that's not the way it works in the NFL. plenty of QBs were promised a 'fair' competition int the off season. just to have the FOs #1 pick to start because it's 'their' guy.

    in the AFCN the only QB i see starting in this physical division is bortles, and no one here can say he won't be a leinert or a shuler.

    And no one here can say he won't be a Roethlisberger or Favre.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @miktoxic said:

    hey j, we all know that's not the way it works in the NFL. plenty of QBs were promised a 'fair' competition int the off season. just to have the FOs #1 pick to start because it's 'their' guy.

    in the AFCN the only QB i see starting in this physical division is bortles, and no one here can say he won't be a leinert or a shuler.

    And no one here can say he won't be a Roethlisberger or Favre.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    And no one here can say he won't be a Roethlisberger or Favre.

    exactly.

    roethlisberger is no dan marino but he sure as hell looks like godzilla shedding off the whole chinese army and air force.

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