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1. QB - every year, if you don't have YOUR guy, this is #1 for every team
2. WR2 - don't need a top-flight WR, but we badly need to find a dependable #2
3. LB - like above, this depends on scheme. if we go 4-down, we need a OLB, if we stay 3-down, we need an ILB
4. FS - defense needs that center fielder to play next to Ward, somebody who gas great coverage skills
5. RB - yeah... look at ours, but I rank it at 5 b/c it shouldn't be hard to find somebody
6. G - can find good guards all over, we just need to get a good one that fits our play-calling
7. CB2 - I like Skrine, and think he will continue to do well, but it would be nice to get somebody with better size to compete with him
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Kruger imo wouldn't make a good 4-3 DE, and if we switch we would have like 5 DTs. Mingo would become relatively useless unless he learns another new position, and Sheard wasnt the best DE either. Our front seven is MUCH more suited to the 3-4. If we cut Jackson we need 2 ILB and a corner, maybe a S. I think we should restructure Jackson and either make a run at Donald Butler if hes available or draft an ILB with one of our first 3 picks.1. LBs - Inside... Outside... whicheverside... QB might rate being above any single LB spot, but there are 4 LB spots...
We can minimize the "holes" here by returning to the 4-3 and putting Sheard and Kruger back at DE, where they belong, but then we still need to fill 2 holes. And in that I am assuming Mingo will make it as an OLB... not a given.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Kruger imo wouldn't make a good 4-3 DE, and if we switch we would have like 5 DTs. Mingo would become relatively useless unless he learns another new position, and Sheard wasnt the best DE either. Our front seven is MUCH more suited to the 3-4. If we cut Jackson we need 2 ILB and a corner, maybe a S. I think we should restructure Jackson and either make a run at Donald Butler if hes available or draft an ILB with one of our first 3 picks.
I couldn't disagree more. Sheard was a great 4-3 DE and Kruger was a 2nd round pick b/c he was so good as a DE in college. Mingo has the perfect frame to play 4-3 OLB, and he already has a year learning coverage so he would need to continue his growth there. Jackson is a pro bowl ILB with 4 lineman in front of him, but he has always struggled in the 3-4. Robertson played much better as a 4-3 OLB in 2012, compared to last year. In no way does our current front 7 fit the 3-4 better... but we'll know which way they're going based on FA and the draft
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Kruger imo wouldn't make a good 4-3 DE, and if we switch we would have like 5 DTs. Mingo would become relatively useless unless he learns another new position, and Sheard wasnt the best DE either. Our front seven is MUCH more suited to the 3-4. If we cut Jackson we need 2 ILB and a corner, maybe a S. I think we should restructure Jackson and either make a run at Donald Butler if hes available or draft an ILB with one of our first 3 picks.
I couldn't disagree more. Sheard was a great 4-3 DE and Kruger was a 2nd round pick b/c he was so good as a DE in college. Mingo has the perfect frame to play 4-3 OLB, and he already has a year learning coverage so he would need to continue his growth there. Jackson is a pro bowl ILB with 4 lineman in front of him, but he has always struggled in the 3-4. Robertson played much better as a 4-3 OLB in 2012, compared to last year. In no way does our current front 7 fit the 3-4 better... but we'll know which way they're going based on FA and the draft
Sheard has never been great. Sheard is fighting to be average. Mingo was a great DE in college too, you want to move him to the LIne? Kruger would also be average on the DLine, and if we do switch Id imagine he would be cut considering his price tag. So now wed need two DEs, at least one OLB (depending on Mingo), possibly a new ILB, and a corner.I couldn't disagree more. Sheard was a great 4-3 DE and Kruger was a 2nd round pick b/c he was so good as a DE in college. Mingo has the perfect frame to play 4-3 OLB, and he already has a year learning coverage so he would need to continue his growth there. Jackson is a pro bowl ILB with 4 lineman in front of him, but he has always struggled in the 3-4. Robertson played much better as a 4-3 OLB in 2012, compared to last year. In no way does our current front 7 fit the 3-4 better... but we'll know which way they're going based on FA and the draft
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1. QB - every year, if you don't have YOUR guy, this is #1 for every team
2. WR2 - don't need a top-flight WR, but we badly need to find a dependable #2
3. LB - like above, this depends on scheme. if we go 4-down, we need a OLB, if we stay 3-down, we need an ILB
4. FS - defense needs that center fielder to play next to Ward, somebody who gas great coverage skills
5. RB - yeah... look at ours, but I rank it at 5 b/c it shouldn't be hard to find somebody
6. G - can find good guards all over, we just need to get a good one that fits our play-calling
7. CB2 - I like Skrine, and think he will continue to do well, but it would be nice to get somebody with better size to compete with him
1. QB - every year, if you don't have YOUR guy, this is #1 for every team
I have always maintained that you always need to be looking for your next QB even if you have your franchise in hand. It's how you end up with Cassels or Flynns that bring you a return if nothing else. And sometimes you even end up with one that become your franchise.
But the very next rule is do not let need convince you that something is there when it is not... or you end up with Wheezys and Quinns and (insert 2014 bust here)...
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Sheard has never been great. Sheard is fighting to be average. Mingo was a great DE in college too, you want to move him to the LIne? Kruger would also be average on the DLine, and if we do switch Id imagine he would be cut considering his price tag. So now wed need two DEs, at least one OLB (depending on Mingo), possibly a new ILB, and a corner.I couldn't disagree more. Sheard was a great 4-3 DE and Kruger was a 2nd round pick b/c he was so good as a DE in college. Mingo has the perfect frame to play 4-3 OLB, and he already has a year learning coverage so he would need to continue his growth there. Jackson is a pro bowl ILB with 4 lineman in front of him, but he has always struggled in the 3-4. Robertson played much better as a 4-3 OLB in 2012, compared to last year. In no way does our current front 7 fit the 3-4 better... but we'll know which way they're going based on FA and the draft
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Sheard has never been great. Sheard is fighting to be average. Mingo was a great DE in college too, you want to move him to the LIne? Kruger would also be average on the DLine, and if we do switch Id imagine he would be cut considering his price tag. So now wed need two DEs, at least one OLB (depending on Mingo), possibly a new ILB, and a corner.
Try actually supporting your position rather than just waving your hands in the air and raising extraneous arguments...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Too many holes in the logic...
My try:
1.A. WR2 - Because Kyle knows Hoyer, and respects his skills significantly. But this years crop of qb's
are not elite - questions about all of them. So, with the 4th pick, it's qb or wr. Second first rounder, qb or wr.
1.B. QB - Hoyer will start - he knows too much ,and can do too much to simply let a new kid
come on board, and struggle at first. Better to let him take over when he's ready and Hoyer
gets banged up.
2. LB - Because the Browns lbs need to be faster, quicker, for the pass defense job. And a couple of them,
like the Christain Gaines ? and Yearwood, something like that, won't be around later. If 'wood falls to
the Browns to the 3rd round, after the showing at the combine, I'd be stunned.
3.A. CB - this a must - another shutdown cb who is taller, and can nail it down, leaving the rest of passing game
to the safeties and lb's. Most NFL teams will be looking for them. And there aren't too many tall cb's out there this
year who can step in, to wait longer..
3.B. ROG/OC - A major backup/starter. Because our ORG is holding the passing game back, and making
life for our ROT rough. And if he gets hurt, it will be ugly.
4. RB - Without the blocking, no rb has a chance. Some teams can plug in different rb's, and they keep rolling.
All sorts of rb's.
5. Galloppolo won't be here, but if he was, I'd nab him.
Ten picks - some small school safeties, cb's, and a kicker, ....TE from some small school.
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1. QB - every year, if you don't have YOUR guy, this is #1 for every team
2. WR2 - don't need a top-flight WR, but we badly need to find a dependable #2
3. LB - like above, this depends on scheme. if we go 4-down, we need a OLB, if we stay 3-down, we need an ILB
4. FS - defense needs that center fielder to play next to Ward, somebody who gas great coverage skills
5. RB - yeah... look at ours, but I rank it at 5 b/c it shouldn't be hard to find somebody
6. G - can find good guards all over, we just need to get a good one that fits our play-calling
7. CB2 - I like Skrine, and think he will continue to do well, but it would be nice to get somebody with better size to compete with him
1. QB - every year, if you don't have YOUR guy, this is #1 for every team
2. WR2 - don't need a top-flight WR, but we badly need to find a dependable #2
Yea, I would rather they use our 2 1st rounders on a QB/LB. Pick up that WR in round 2-3
3. LB - like above, this depends on scheme. if we go 4-down, we need a OLB, if we stay 3-down, we need an ILB
I think we are good on OLBs. No matter what the scheme we need an ILB or 2
4. FS - defense needs that center fielder to play next to Ward, somebody who gas great coverage skills
I think this position is in good hands with Gipson
5. RB - yeah... look at ours, but I rank it at 5 b/c it shouldn't be hard to find somebody
6. G - can find good guards all over, we just need to get a good one that fits our play-calling
7. CB2 - I like Skrine, and think he will continue to do well, but it would be nice to get somebody with better size to compete with him
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2 sink
3 hell
4 shit
5 pie
6 ass
7 mole/mouse
8 black
9 worm
10 glory
11 Jackson
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Sheard has never been great. Sheard is fighting to be average. Mingo was a great DE in college too, you want to move him to the LIne? Kruger would also be average on the DLine, and if we do switch Id imagine he would be cut considering his price tag. So now wed need two DEs, at least one OLB (depending on Mingo), possibly a new ILB, and a corner.
Try actually supporting your position rather than just waving your hands in the air and raising extraneous arguments...
What needs supported? Kruger was brought in to be a pass rusher. He has never lined up exclusively as a DE in a 4-3 since hes been in the NFL. If you watched him this last year, as Id expect anyone on this board to, you'd know that he wasnt great standing up, now you want to move him to a position hes never played in the NFL and expect him to live up to his 8 mill a year tag? As for Sheard, look up his numbers, he has played both, but was awful against the run as a DE and he still has a career high of what? 7.5 sacks? Sure he didn't light the world on fire as a LB in his first year, but he wasnt such a liability against the run.Try actually supporting your position rather than just waving your hands in the air and raising extraneous arguments...
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1. RB....that is our biggest need, but that isn't to say that is who we draft first.
2. ILB....we have to upgrade
3. QB.....I place it 3rd because I am pretty sure that with Hoyer back, the hole isn't all that great.
4. Guard...we have to keep out rusher right up the middle and need to create some running lanes.
5. Corner....after Hayden, we have Screen who is OK, and then nobody....we need to get better at the position. Good corners impact defensive play and special teams play.
6. WR....I think Benji will be a great addition opposite Gordon. If anything, I would look for the sure handed receiver to replace Bess.
If I had to list the order I would draft them.....
1. QB
2. Corner
3. ILB
4. RB
5. Guard
6. WR
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1. RB....that is our biggest need, but that isn't to say that is who we draft first.
2. ILB....we have to upgrade
3. QB.....I place it 3rd because I am pretty sure that with Hoyer back, the hole isn't all that great.
4. Guard...we have to keep out rusher right up the middle and need to create some running lanes.
5. Corner....after Hayden, we have Screen who is OK, and then nobody....we need to get better at the position. Good corners impact defensive play and special teams play.
6. WR....I think Benji will be a great addition opposite Gordon. If anything, I would look for the sure handed receiver to replace Bess.
If I had to list the order I would draft them.....
1. QB
2. Corner
3. ILB
4. RB
5. Guard
6. WR
1. RB....that is our biggest need, but that isn't to say that is who we draft first.
If Kyle Shanahan is anything like his Dad, he can take a 6th round pick (like Terrell Davis and Alfred Morris) and turn him into a 1500 yard runner.
2. ILB....we have to upgrade
3. QB.....I place it 3rd because I am pretty sure that with Hoyer back, the hole isn't all that great.
4. Guard...we have to keep out rusher right up the middle and need to create some running lanes.
5. Corner....after Hayden, we have Screen who is OK, and then nobody....we need to get better at the position. Good corners impact defensive play and special teams play.
6. WR....I think Benji will be a great addition opposite Gordon. If anything, I would look for the sure handed receiver to replace Bess.
Could we already have that guy in Josh Cooper, who replaced Bess and did better the last few games. I just don't think this guy has been given enough of a chance.
(though most people think we need someone at the #2WR spot to replace Little....maybe. I wonder if Little could possibly thrive under Shanahan?)
If I had to list the order I would draft them.....
1. QB
2. Corner
3. ILB
4. RB
5. Guard
6. WR
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why did this get moved?
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I started the thread out the thread with that Big Hole video.....but later added the context as it related to the Browns positions. In the meantime it got shifted because it was thought to be non football related.
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1 butt
2 sink
3 hell
4 shit
5 pie
6 ass
7 mole/mouse
8 black
9 worm
10 glory
11 Jackson
WSS
1 butt
2 sink
3 hell
4 shit
5 pie
6 ass
7 mole/mouse
8 black
9 worm
10 glory
11 Jackson
WSS
Fire in the ...
Its in the... (Bill Murray)
Blow....(like in Hawaii?)
Rabbit.... (like in Alice in Wonderland)
Spider....(like where they found Saddam Hussein)
I'm fixin' a ..... where the rain gets in and stops my mind from wandering (those 50 year Celebratees)
........ lotta shaking
Blue Hole (like in Sandusky)
....Integrity>>>>>>>>>>>>>or is that Gap Integrity.
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Anyone remember going to The Blue Hole in Castalia OH. (near Sandusky)?
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Here, apparently, is what it looks like now:
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Anyone remember going to The Blue Hole in Castalia OH. (near Sandusky)?
Anyone remember going to The Blue Hole in Castalia OH. (near Sandusky)?
I remember my long deceased Grandfather taking me there as a little kid. Early 60's. I was afraid some kind of monster was going to come out of it.
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Re Blue Hole:
Always a must visit on the way to our annual Cedar Point pilgrimage.
How's your hole. ........family? he haw
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Very cool place. Went there as a child and was amazed then later went up as an adult still beautiful. Unfortunately it has been closed down, I can't imagine someone wouldn't want to keep it up.
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