RIP Chuck Noll
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Yes, supposedly he had great talent.....or...were they great because he coached them that way?
I think a lot of the latter is true.
You couldn't be more wrong...although an excellent coach, Chuck Noll himself said it isn't hard coaching 11 pro bowlers.
Chuck Nolls "genius" was not in his coaching. It was in an area that is not politically correct to discuss these days.
You couldn't be more wrong...although an excellent coach, Chuck Noll himself said it isn't hard coaching 11 pro bowlers.
By this statement you seem to be denigrating Noll's capability. Noll certainly would be self effacing and say that it is not hard to coach a team with a ton of Pro Bowlers on it and win.....but that is just his humility. I don't believe it is true at all. A lot of those guys were Pro Bowlers because he coached them. Had they been on another team, they may have faded away into obscurity. Hell, for all we know, if the Steelers had taken Mike Phipps at #1 overall instead of Bradshaw....it may have been Phipps in the HOF and not TB. TB may have been taken by the Browns and gone the way of Mike Phipps.
Chuck Nolls "genius" was not in his coaching. It was in an area that is not politically correct to discuss these days.
Well, you are free to be non-politically correct here. And please do so, as I truly don't know what you are referring to.
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Remember Rommel was a damn fine general.
Seriously rest in peace coach. We always respected you.
WSS
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VesnaKociper said:
Bednarik punched Noll in the jaw and knocked him out cold.
So? Does that make you an advocate of sucker punches?
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You couldn't be more wrong...although an excellent coach, Chuck Noll himself said it isn't hard coaching 11 pro bowlers.
By this statement you seem to be denigrating Noll's capability. Noll certainly would be self effacing and say that it is not hard to coach a team with a ton of Pro Bowlers on it and win.....but that is just his humility. I don't believe it is true at all. A lot of those guys were Pro Bowlers because he coached them. Had they been on another team, they may have faded away into obscurity. Hell, for all we know, if the Steelers had taken Mike Phipps at #1 overall instead of Bradshaw....it may have been Phipps in the HOF and not TB. TB may have been taken by the Browns and gone the way of Mike Phipps.
Chuck Nolls "genius" was not in his coaching. It was in an area that is not politically correct to discuss these days.
Well, you are free to be non-politically correct here. And please do so, as I truly don't know what you are referring to.
You couldn't be more wrong...although an excellent coach, Chuck Noll himself said it isn't hard coaching 11 pro bowlers.
By this statement you seem to be denigrating Noll's capability. Noll certainly would be self effacing and say that it is not hard to coach a team with a ton of Pro Bowlers on it and win.....but that is just his humility. I don't believe it is true at all. A lot of those guys were Pro Bowlers because he coached them. Had they been on another team, they may have faded away into obscurity. Hell, for all we know, if the Steelers had taken Mike Phipps at #1 overall instead of Bradshaw....it may have been Phipps in the HOF and not TB. TB may have been taken by the Browns and gone the way of Mike Phipps.
Chuck Nolls "genius" was not in his coaching. It was in an area that is not politically correct to discuss these days.
Well, you are free to be non-politically correct here. And please do so, as I truly don't know what you are referring to.
Has it ever occurred to you that Noll never won the NFL Coach of the Year Award, considering he "coached up" these players to win 4 Super Bowls?
I wonder why he couldn't "coach up" his players in the 80's to win 4 more?
...and I'm certain Mean Joe, or Mel Blount or, Lambert would have been pro bowlers with the browns or any other team.
OK...now for the PC thing...Noll loved the black player.
From the article below...
Much of the Steelers’ success in the 1970’s is due to players drafted from small black schools. The Steelers had this figured out before the rest of the league caught on. It was Noll who pushed hard for the team to draft John Stallworth, Mel Blount and L.C. Greenwood.
Not only did he look at small black schools, Noll looked at black players from small schools period.
Joe Green, Ernie Holmes, and others came from small schools not considered football powerhouses.
The bottom line, and a hard pill for you political correctness freaks to swallow is that the Pittsburgh Steelers won because they were the first team in the NFL whos roster was majority black.
That was Nolls genius my friend.
Ok, now I'm forced to admit that I'm an old fuck..Back in the day, back home in Western Pa., in the early 70's i would hear bigots express their hatred toward the Steelers just because they had "too many fucking ni@@ers."...and wanted them to lose solely because of that...can't have them ni@@ers beating the white man at everything ya know.
A little tidbit from WIKI...
Noll's legacy includes providing opportunities for African Americans. Under Noll, Joe Gilliam became the league's first African American starting quarterback just a few seasons after the AFL started Marlin Briscoe, and James Harris . In 1975, Franco Harris became the first African American to win the Super Bowl MVP award. During the 1980s, Tony Dungy (who briefly played under Noll in the late 1970s) got his start as an NFL assistant coach, initially as the Steelers' Defensive Backs Coach.
Proir to the 70's, there was an unwritten quota amongst NFL owners on how many blacks could be on an NFL teams roster...Jim Brown musta had a lot of fun running over and around of slow undersized white guys.
I take that era with a grain of salt.
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You couldn't be more wrong...although an excellent coach, Chuck Noll himself said it isn't hard coaching 11 pro bowlers.
By this statement you seem to be denigrating Noll's capability. Noll certainly would be self effacing and say that it is not hard to coach a team with a ton of Pro Bowlers on it and win.....but that is just his humility. I don't believe it is true at all. A lot of those guys were Pro Bowlers because he coached them. Had they been on another team, they may have faded away into obscurity. Hell, for all we know, if the Steelers had taken Mike Phipps at #1 overall instead of Bradshaw....it may have been Phipps in the HOF and not TB. TB may have been taken by the Browns and gone the way of Mike Phipps.
Chuck Nolls "genius" was not in his coaching. It was in an area that is not politically correct to discuss these days.
Well, you are free to be non-politically correct here. And please do so, as I truly don't know what you are referring to.
Has it ever occurred to you that Noll never won the NFL Coach of the Year Award, considering he "coached up" these players to win 4 Super Bowls?
I wonder why he couldn't "coach up" his players in the 80's to win 4 more?
...and I'm certain Mean Joe, or Mel Blount or, Lambert would have been pro bowlers with the browns or any other team.
OK...now for the PC thing...Noll loved the black player.
From the article below...
Much of the Steelers’ success in the 1970’s is due to players drafted from small black schools. The Steelers had this figured out before the rest of the league caught on. It was Noll who pushed hard for the team to draft John Stallworth, Mel Blount and L.C. Greenwood.
Not only did he look at small black schools, Noll looked at black players from small schools period.
Joe Green, Ernie Holmes, and others came from small schools not considered football powerhouses.
The bottom line, and a hard pill for you political correctness freaks to swallow is that the Pittsburgh Steelers won because they were the first team in the NFL whos roster was majority black.
That was Nolls genius my friend.
Ok, now I'm forced to admit that I'm an old fuck..Back in the day, back home in Western Pa., in the early 70's i would hear bigots express their hatred toward the Steelers just because they had "too many fucking ni@@ers."...and wanted them to lose solely because of that...can't have them ni@@ers beating the white man at everything ya know.
A little tidbit from WIKI...
Noll's legacy includes providing opportunities for African Americans. Under Noll, Joe Gilliam became the league's first African American starting quarterback just a few seasons after the AFL started Marlin Briscoe, and James Harris . In 1975, Franco Harris became the first African American to win the Super Bowl MVP award. During the 1980s, Tony Dungy (who briefly played under Noll in the late 1970s) got his start as an NFL assistant coach, initially as the Steelers' Defensive Backs Coach.
Proir to the 70's, there was an unwritten quota amongst NFL owners on how many blacks could be on an NFL teams roster...Jim Brown musta had a lot of fun running over and around of slow undersized white guys.
I take that era with a grain of salt.
I wonder why he couldn't "coach up" his players in the 80's to win 4 more?
I'll give you a clue, they were no longer the only team using steroids.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
You couldn't be more wrong...although an excellent coach, Chuck Noll himself said it isn't hard coaching 11 pro bowlers.
By this statement you seem to be denigrating Noll's capability. Noll certainly would be self effacing and say that it is not hard to coach a team with a ton of Pro Bowlers on it and win.....but that is just his humility. I don't believe it is true at all. A lot of those guys were Pro Bowlers because he coached them. Had they been on another team, they may have faded away into obscurity. Hell, for all we know, if the Steelers had taken Mike Phipps at #1 overall instead of Bradshaw....it may have been Phipps in the HOF and not TB. TB may have been taken by the Browns and gone the way of Mike Phipps.
Chuck Nolls "genius" was not in his coaching. It was in an area that is not politically correct to discuss these days.
Well, you are free to be non-politically correct here. And please do so, as I truly don't know what you are referring to.
Has it ever occurred to you that Noll never won the NFL Coach of the Year Award, considering he "coached up" these players to win 4 Super Bowls?
I wonder why he couldn't "coach up" his players in the 80's to win 4 more?
...and I'm certain Mean Joe, or Mel Blount or, Lambert would have been pro bowlers with the browns or any other team.
OK...now for the PC thing...Noll loved the black player.
From the article below...
Much of the Steelers’ success in the 1970’s is due to players drafted from small black schools. The Steelers had this figured out before the rest of the league caught on. It was Noll who pushed hard for the team to draft John Stallworth, Mel Blount and L.C. Greenwood.
Not only did he look at small black schools, Noll looked at black players from small schools period.
Joe Green, Ernie Holmes, and others came from small schools not considered football powerhouses.
The bottom line, and a hard pill for you political correctness freaks to swallow is that the Pittsburgh Steelers won because they were the first team in the NFL whos roster was majority black.
That was Nolls genius my friend.
Ok, now I'm forced to admit that I'm an old fuck..Back in the day, back home in Western Pa., in the early 70's i would hear bigots express their hatred toward the Steelers just because they had "too many fucking ni@@ers."...and wanted them to lose solely because of that...can't have them ni@@ers beating the white man at everything ya know.
A little tidbit from WIKI...
Noll's legacy includes providing opportunities for African Americans. Under Noll, Joe Gilliam became the league's first African American starting quarterback just a few seasons after the AFL started Marlin Briscoe, and James Harris . In 1975, Franco Harris became the first African American to win the Super Bowl MVP award. During the 1980s, Tony Dungy (who briefly played under Noll in the late 1970s) got his start as an NFL assistant coach, initially as the Steelers' Defensive Backs Coach.
Proir to the 70's, there was an unwritten quota amongst NFL owners on how many blacks could be on an NFL teams roster...Jim Brown musta had a lot of fun running over and around of slow undersized white guys.
I take that era with a grain of salt.
Has it ever occurred to you that Noll never won the NFL Coach of the Year Award, considering he "coached up" these players to win 4 Super Bowls?
I wonder why he couldn't "coach up" his players in the 80's to win 4 more?
...and I'm certain Mean Joe, or Mel Blount or, Lambert would have been pro bowlers with the browns or any other team.
Well, certainly Noll had better players in the 70s than in the 80s....but he did actually make a few playoff appearances with that chicken shit that he turned into chicken salad.
But hell, if you, as a Steeler fan want to state that Chuck Noll was not that good of a coach...well, I find it surprising.....and look at me, the Browns fan defending the Steeler HC against the Steeler fan.
OK...now for the PC thing...Noll loved the black player.
Well, he got that from Paul Brown who brought in black players into the Browns in the AAFC when no one in the NFL would do it. It was partially a factor in why the Browns dominated. Noll was smart, he knew where talent could be found.
From the article below...
Much of the Steelers’ success in the 1970’s is due to players drafted from small black schools. The Steelers had this figured out before the rest of the league caught on. It was Noll who pushed hard for the team to draft John Stallworth, Mel Blount and L.C. Greenwood.
Not only did he look at small black schools, Noll looked at black players from small schools period.
Joe Green, Ernie Holmes, and others came from small schools not considered football powerhouses.
The bottom line, and a hard pill for you political correctness freaks to swallow is that the Pittsburgh Steelers won because they were the first team in the NFL whos roster was majority black.
That was Nolls genius my friend.
I don't know that it was just putting many black players on the team that was genius...it was putting the right black players on the team....and coaching those guys from small schools up to the top level they reached. And honestly, I don't really think the Steelers were the first team to have a majority of black players on their team....the Browns had a large contingent on their squads in the 60s.
Ok, now I'm forced to admit that I'm an old fuck..Back in the day, back home in Western Pa., in the early 70's i would hear bigots express their hatred toward the Steelers just because they had "too many fucking ni@@ers."...and wanted them to lose solely because of that...can't have them ni@@ers beating the white man at everything ya know.
I don't recall that being a sentiment expressed around here...at all.
A little tidbit from WIKI...
Noll's legacy includes providing opportunities for African Americans. Under Noll, Joe Gilliam became the league's first African American starting quarterback just a few seasons after the AFL started Marlin Briscoe, and James Harris . In 1975, Franco Harris became the first African American to win the Super Bowl MVP award. During the 1980s, Tony Dungy (who briefly played under Noll in the late 1970s) got his start as an NFL assistant coach, initially as the Steelers' Defensive Backs Coach.
The Akron Pros (again, another Northeast Ohio team) in the 1920s had a few black players on that team....most notably Fritz Pollard.
Proir to the 70's, there was an unwritten quota amongst NFL owners on how many blacks could be on an NFL teams roster...Jim Brown musta had a lot of fun running over and around of slow undersized white guys.
I take that era with a grain of salt.
Except that the Browns did NOT acquiesce to any such quota. I guess I would have to go back and review the roster but they had many, many black players on the team.
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I'll give you a clue, they were no longer the only team using steroids.
There is that possibility.
And to digress.....recall just a couple of weeks back that we again bemoaned the fact that we have not had a Triple Crown Winner in horse racing. And the question has been asked "how can we have had 3 Triple Crown winners in the 70s and none since"?
Some answer that question with this: steroids. Some claim those Triple Crown winners were all on steroids where most of their competition was not.....and that later, perhaps in the 80s, all the horses were on steroids and had an even playing field, and that later yet when steroid testing started, it again evened the playing field because no horse were on steroids.
I know on guy claimed that Secretariat....whose records in the KY Derby and the Belmont have never been beaten, was nothing but a steroid freak of a horse. Sad, but there could be some truth to that.
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I'll give you a clue, they were no longer the only team using steroids.
There is that possibility.
And to digress.....recall just a couple of weeks back that we again bemoaned the fact that we have not had a Triple Crown Winner in horse racing. And the question has been asked "how can we have had 3 Triple Crown winners in the 70s and none since"?
Some answer that question with this: steroids. Some claim those Triple Crown winners were all on steroids where most of their competition was not.....and that later, perhaps in the 80s, all the horses were on steroids and had an even playing field, and that later yet when steroid testing started, it again evened the playing field because no horse were on steroids.
I know on guy claimed that Secretariat....whose records in the KY Derby and the Belmont have never been beaten, was nothing but a steroid freak of a horse. Sad, but there could be some truth to that.
There is that possibility.
And to digress.....recall just a couple of weeks back that we again bemoaned the fact that we have not had a Triple Crown Winner in horse racing. And the question has been asked "how can we have had 3 Triple Crown winners in the 70s and none since"?
Some answer that question with this: steroids. Some claim those Triple Crown winners were all on steroids where most of their competition was not.....and that later, perhaps in the 80s, all the horses were on steroids and had an even playing field, and that later yet when steroid testing started, it again evened the playing field because no horse were on steroids.
I know on guy claimed that Secretariat....whose records in the KY Derby and the Belmont have never been beaten, was nothing but a steroid freak of a horse. Sad, but there could be some truth to that.
I never considered the idea of horses "juicing" back in the day, but that is a valid point Gip. Secretariat was phenominal in that era, especially when he dominated the Belmont and won by 30 lengths.
RIP to Chuck Noll.
The Steeler faithful are lucky that Joe Paterno turned down Rooney when the HC position became available, and hired Noll as the second choice.
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There is that possibility.
And to digress.....recall just a couple of weeks back that we again bemoaned the fact that we have not had a Triple Crown Winner in horse racing. And the question has been asked "how can we have had 3 Triple Crown winners in the 70s and none since"?
Some answer that question with this: steroids. Some claim those Triple Crown winners were all on steroids where most of their competition was not.....and that later, perhaps in the 80s, all the horses were on steroids and had an even playing field, and that later yet when steroid testing started, it again evened the playing field because no horse were on steroids.
I know on guy claimed that Secretariat....whose records in the KY Derby and the Belmont have never been beaten, was nothing but a steroid freak of a horse. Sad, but there could be some truth to that.
I never considered the idea of horses "juicing" back in the day, but that is a valid point Gip. Secretariat was phenominal in that era, especially when he dominated the Belmont and won by 30 lengths.
RIP to Chuck Noll.
The Steeler faithful are lucky that Joe Paterno turned down Rooney when the HC position became available, and hired Noll as the second choice.
I never considered the idea of horses "juicing" back in the day, but that is a valid point Gip. Secretariat was phenominal in that era, especially when he dominated the Belmont and won by 30 lengths.
RIP to Chuck Noll.
The Steeler faithful are lucky that Joe Paterno turned down Rooney when the HC position became available, and hired Noll as the second choice.
Yea, imagine, Joepa would have probably brought Jerry Sandusky with him.......or perhaps Sandusky would have replaced Paterno as PSU HC.
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