BronBron IS back
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This is getting exciting again, so I brought it back to the Browns forum:
#Cavs reportedly have a deal in place for Kevin Love. Stay tuned for details.
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This is getting exciting again, so I brought it back to the Browns forum:
#Cavs reportedly have a deal in place for Kevin Love. Stay tuned for details.
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I would NOT like them to give up Wiggins to get Love. They can move Bennett or others, but not Wiggins.
I would like both, but if it is one or the other I take Love.
Zombo
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I don't see how they could do it without Wiggins. The only somewhat reasonable offer I can see is Bennett, Thompson, Waiters, a sign and trade of Deng and a shit load of draft picks.
It's beyond highly unlikely Deng would go for that and even if he did, I still would rather take the Warrior's offer if I'm the Wolves.
Wiggins would have to be the centerpiece.
I like the long term potential of Irving, Wiggins and LeBron much better, plus the Cavs would have a lot more depth (and cap space maneuverability with Wiggins on a rookie deal) without that trade. Irving, Love and LeBron would be fascinating but y'all would lose all depth you had and wouldn't have any means of picking up more depth outside of minimum salary contracts. Considering that's what killed the Heat this year, I'm not sure it would be a great selling point.
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If Love and Lebron both sign 4 year contracts, I would easily give up Wiggins for that to happen.
Lebron, Love and Kyrie should be worth several shots at a ring.
Several shots at a ring for Wiggins? Yes...
Zombo
Zombo said:
If Love and Lebron both sign 4 year contracts, I would easily give up Wiggins for that to happen.
Lebron, Love and Kyrie should be worth several shots at a ring.
Several shots at a ring for Wiggins? Yes...
Zombo
I would be really surprised if Lebron or Love signed for longer than 2 years. The CBA expires in 2017 and apparently the salary cap is going to go way up. Both would be leaving a lot of money on the table to sign past then.
If either signed for 4 years, it would more than likely be with player options for the last 2 years of the deal.
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Kevin Love is the most under the radar super star in the league. He's not the guy making the top 10 every night, but he dominates when he's out there on the court. Wiggins has the POTENTIAL to be a great player, while Love is already a great player in his prime (25 years old). I still have mixed feelings on Lebron, but a Irving/Lebron/Love/Thompson/Waiters/Varejo/Bennett (assuming he doesn't get traded) instantly becomes the favorite in the East. Sign me up for a Wiggins and or Bennet and late picks deal for Love any day. Another thing is vet free agents will overnight flock to Cleveland if that scenario came to pass.
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Kevin Love is the most under the radar super star in the league. He's not the guy making the top 10 every night, but he dominates when he's out there on the court. Wiggins has the POTENTIAL to be a great player, while Love is already a great player in his prime (25 years old). I still have mixed feelings on Lebron, but a Irving/Lebron/Love/Thompson/Waiters/Varejo/Bennett (assuming he doesn't get traded) instantly becomes the favorite in the East. Sign me up for a Wiggins and or Bennet and late picks deal for Love any day. Another thing is vet free agents will overnight flock to Cleveland if that scenario came to pass.
Kevin Love is the most under the radar super star in the league. He's not the guy making the top 10 every night, but he dominates when he's out there on the court. Wiggins has the POTENTIAL to be a great player, while Love is already a great player in his prime (25 years old). I still have mixed feelings on Lebron, but a Irving/Lebron/Love/Thompson/Waiters/Varejo/Bennett (assuming he doesn't get traded) instantly becomes the favorite in the East. Sign me up for a Wiggins and or Bennet and late picks deal for Love any day. Another thing is vet free agents will overnight flock to Cleveland if that scenario came to pass.
Why is Love under the radar? Because, I believe, in his entire time there, the T-Wolves have not once made the playoffs. How "great" is a guy that cannot even get his team to an 8th seed?
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Kevin Love is the most under the radar super star in the league. He's not the guy making the top 10 every night, but he dominates when he's out there on the court. Wiggins has the POTENTIAL to be a great player, while Love is already a great player in his prime (25 years old). I still have mixed feelings on Lebron, but a Irving/Lebron/Love/Thompson/Waiters/Varejo/Bennett (assuming he doesn't get traded) instantly becomes the favorite in the East. Sign me up for a Wiggins and or Bennet and late picks deal for Love any day. Another thing is vet free agents will overnight flock to Cleveland if that scenario came to pass.
Kevin Love is the most under the radar super star in the league. He's not the guy making the top 10 every night, but he dominates when he's out there on the court. Wiggins has the POTENTIAL to be a great player, while Love is already a great player in his prime (25 years old). I still have mixed feelings on Lebron, but a Irving/Lebron/Love/Thompson/Waiters/Varejo/Bennett (assuming he doesn't get traded) instantly becomes the favorite in the East. Sign me up for a Wiggins and or Bennet and late picks deal for Love any day. Another thing is vet free agents will overnight flock to Cleveland if that scenario came to pass.
If we don't get Lebron, Love is gone next year.
What is sad is how Lebron has all these teams by the balls, making teams do this or that with no guarantee that he is joining that team. Something has to be done about that IMO.
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Just Waiters and Thompson wouldn't match salaries and the Wolves would literally laugh their ass off with that offer regardless of how many future picks you add on. Just Wiggins and Bennett wouldn't match salaries and would probably get laughed at as well.
The Wolves have made it known that they want to shed Martin's redonkulous contract as part of any Love trade as well. So y'all with either have to find a third team or add Varejao along with just about every first round pick since Irving to just make salaries match. Depending on how much the Wolves value Wiggins, you might able to swing a trade without Martin but it would be tough.
Throw in every available future draft pick (2015 and 2017 at least, possibly 2019 as well) and you'll basically have Irving, Love, LeBron and that's it outside of minimum salary vets chasing a ring. Did it work or Miami? Half the time but it's also the reason LeBron is even considering the Cavs in the first place.
Irving - Love - LeBron would be an amazingly talented offensive core but you'll be shredded defensively, potentially have too many mouths to feed, have absolutely no cap space for years meaning you'll be relying on minimum salaries to fill out the roster.
Irving-LeBron-Wiggins plus the depth you currently possess will still be a great, if not amazing offensive team, a great, athletic and long defensive team with two legit perimeter defenders (LeBron and Wiggins) a decent rim protector in Varajao, and a deep bench.
If y'all want to win now and in the future with LeBron, you don't trade for Love.
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Kevin Love is the most under the radar super star in the league. He's not the guy making the top 10 every night, but he dominates when he's out there on the court. Wiggins has the POTENTIAL to be a great player, while Love is already a great player in his prime (25 years old). I still have mixed feelings on Lebron, but a Irving/Lebron/Love/Thompson/Waiters/Varejo/Bennett (assuming he doesn't get traded) instantly becomes the favorite in the East. Sign me up for a Wiggins and or Bennet and late picks deal for Love any day. Another thing is vet free agents will overnight flock to Cleveland if that scenario came to pass.
Why is Love under the radar? Because, I believe, in his entire time there, the T-Wolves have not once made the playoffs. How "great" is a guy that cannot even get his team to an 8th seed?
Why is Love under the radar? Because, I believe, in his entire time there, the T-Wolves have not once made the playoffs. How "great" is a guy that cannot even get his team to an 8th seed?
The T-Wolves haven't been over .500 once in Love's career. Albeit playing in the West, but stiill...
If we don't get Lebron, Love is gone next year.
What is sad is how Lebron has all these teams by the balls, making teams do this or that with no guarantee that he is joining that team. Something has to be done about that IMO.
0% chance the Cavs pull a trade for Love if Lebron isn't already signed.
Just Waiters and Thompson wouldn't match salaries and the Wolves would literally laugh their ass off with that offer regardless of how many future picks you add on. Just Wiggins and Bennett wouldn't match salaries and would probably get laughed at as well.
The Wolves have made it known that they want to shed Martin's redonkulous contract as part of any Love trade as well. So y'all with either have to find a third team or add Varejao along with just about every first round pick since Irving to just make salaries match. Depending on how much the Wolves value Wiggins, you might able to swing a trade without Martin but it would be tough.
Throw in every available future draft pick (2015 and 2017 at least, possibly 2019 as well) and you'll basically have Irving, Love, LeBron and that's it outside of minimum salary vets chasing a ring. Did it work or Miami? Half the time but it's also the reason LeBron is even considering the Cavs in the first place.
Irving - Love - LeBron would be an amazingly talented offensive core but you'll be shredded defensively, potentially have too many mouths to feed, have absolutely no cap space for years meaning you'll be relying on minimum salaries to fill out the roster.
Irving-LeBron-Wiggins plus the depth you currently possess will still be a great, if not amazing offensive team, a great, athletic and long defensive team with two legit perimeter defenders (LeBron and Wiggins) a decent rim protector in Varajao, and a deep bench.
If y'all want to win now and in the future with LeBron, you don't trade for Love.
I agree wholeheartedly here. Yes, Love is a great player. But giving up a potential superstar who hasn't even stepped on the floor yet for a 1 year rental and no cap flexibility just seems foolish.
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Kevin Love is the most under the radar super star in the league. He's not the guy making the top 10 every night, but he dominates when he's out there on the court. Wiggins has the POTENTIAL to be a great player, while Love is already a great player in his prime (25 years old). I still have mixed feelings on Lebron, but a Irving/Lebron/Love/Thompson/Waiters/Varejo/Bennett (assuming he doesn't get traded) instantly becomes the favorite in the East. Sign me up for a Wiggins and or Bennet and late picks deal for Love any day. Another thing is vet free agents will overnight flock to Cleveland if that scenario came to pass.
If we don't get Lebron, Love is gone next year.
What is sad is how Lebron has all these teams by the balls, making teams do this or that with no guarantee that he is joining that team. Something has to be done about that IMO.
If we don't get Lebron, Love is gone next year.
What is sad is how Lebron has all these teams by the balls, making teams do this or that with no guarantee that he is joining that team. Something has to be done about that IMO.
This is what the owners wanted and fought for in the lockout.
Plus it's always been a players league.
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Just Waiters and Thompson wouldn't match salaries and the Wolves would literally laugh their ass off with that offer regardless of how many future picks you add on. Just Wiggins and Bennett wouldn't match salaries and would probably get laughed at as well.
The Wolves have made it known that they want to shed Martin's redonkulous contract as part of any Love trade as well. So y'all with either have to find a third team or add Varejao along with just about every first round pick since Irving to just make salaries match. Depending on how much the Wolves value Wiggins, you might able to swing a trade without Martin but it would be tough.
Throw in every available future draft pick (2015 and 2017 at least, possibly 2019 as well) and you'll basically have Irving, Love, LeBron and that's it outside of minimum salary vets chasing a ring. Did it work or Miami? Half the time but it's also the reason LeBron is even considering the Cavs in the first place.
Irving - Love - LeBron would be an amazingly talented offensive core but you'll be shredded defensively, potentially have too many mouths to feed, have absolutely no cap space for years meaning you'll be relying on minimum salaries to fill out the roster.
Irving-LeBron-Wiggins plus the depth you currently possess will still be a great, if not amazing offensive team, a great, athletic and long defensive team with two legit perimeter defenders (LeBron and Wiggins) a decent rim protector in Varajao, and a deep bench.
If y'all want to win now and in the future with LeBron, you don't trade for Love.
Throw in every available future draft pick (2015 and 2017 at least, possibly 2019 as well) and you'll basically have Irving, Love, LeBron and that's it outside of minimum salary vets chasing a ring. Did it work or Miami? Half the time but it's also the reason LeBron is even considering the Cavs in the first place.
If selling the farm meant the Cavs getting two rings before the ship falls apart I'd weep like a child from joy. Give me a 3 year window of championsip level teams over 10 years of "building" like Cleveland teams have done for the past 50 years.
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Kevin Love is the most under the radar super star in the league. He's not the guy making the top 10 every night, but he dominates when he's out there on the court. Wiggins has the POTENTIAL to be a great player, while Love is already a great player in his prime (25 years old). I still have mixed feelings on Lebron, but a Irving/Lebron/Love/Thompson/Waiters/Varejo/Bennett (assuming he doesn't get traded) instantly becomes the favorite in the East. Sign me up for a Wiggins and or Bennet and late picks deal for Love any day. Another thing is vet free agents will overnight flock to Cleveland if that scenario came to pass.
Why is Love under the radar? Because, I believe, in his entire time there, the T-Wolves have not once made the playoffs. How "great" is a guy that cannot even get his team to an 8th seed?
Why is Love under the radar? Because, I believe, in his entire time there, the T-Wolves have not once made the playoffs. How "great" is a guy that cannot even get his team to an 8th seed?
Because the West is 2x a better overall league than the East, and 1 superstar rarely makes a team. The same argument could be made against Kyrie Irving. Look, I understand getting love isn't going to be easy, and frankly I'm not even a fan of the NBA. But trading a guy like Wiggins (and more, I know) to make a Love trade work instantly creates the "Big 3" that's winning in the NBA. Before someone throws out the Spurs, I get that a well rounded team wins once in a while. But there's a reason the Heat went to 4 straight Finals.
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If Lebron signs, Wiggins is gone...
Wiggins isn't a gurantee to be a star in this league while James is one of the GOAT and in his prime.
I'll take that anyday.
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say what you will about Cleveland's play on the gridiron/court. there is usually some drama to fill in the gaps.
Love it!!
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Just Waiters and Thompson wouldn't match salaries and the Wolves would literally laugh their ass off with that offer regardless of how many future picks you add on. Just Wiggins and Bennett wouldn't match salaries and would probably get laughed at as well.
The Wolves have made it known that they want to shed Martin's redonkulous contract as part of any Love trade as well. So y'all with either have to find a third team or add Varejao along with just about every first round pick since Irving to just make salaries match. Depending on how much the Wolves value Wiggins, you might able to swing a trade without Martin but it would be tough.
Throw in every available future draft pick (2015 and 2017 at least, possibly 2019 as well) and you'll basically have Irving, Love, LeBron and that's it outside of minimum salary vets chasing a ring. Did it work or Miami? Half the time but it's also the reason LeBron is even considering the Cavs in the first place.
Irving - Love - LeBron would be an amazingly talented offensive core but you'll be shredded defensively, potentially have too many mouths to feed, have absolutely no cap space for years meaning you'll be relying on minimum salaries to fill out the roster.
Irving-LeBron-Wiggins plus the depth you currently possess will still be a great, if not amazing offensive team, a great, athletic and long defensive team with two legit perimeter defenders (LeBron and Wiggins) a decent rim protector in Varajao, and a deep bench.
If y'all want to win now and in the future with LeBron, you don't trade for Love.
Just Waiters and Thompson wouldn't match salaries and the Wolves would literally laugh their ass off with that offer regardless of how many future picks you add on. Just Wiggins and Bennett wouldn't match salaries and would probably get laughed at as well.
The Wolves have made it known that they want to shed Martin's redonkulous contract as part of any Love trade as well. So y'all with either have to find a third team or add Varejao along with just about every first round pick since Irving to just make salaries match. Depending on how much the Wolves value Wiggins, you might able to swing a trade without Martin but it would be tough.
Throw in every available future draft pick (2015 and 2017 at least, possibly 2019 as well) and you'll basically have Irving, Love, LeBron and that's it outside of minimum salary vets chasing a ring. Did it work or Miami? Half the time but it's also the reason LeBron is even considering the Cavs in the first place.
Irving - Love - LeBron would be an amazingly talented offensive core but you'll be shredded defensively, potentially have too many mouths to feed, have absolutely no cap space for years meaning you'll be relying on minimum salaries to fill out the roster.
Irving-LeBron-Wiggins plus the depth you currently possess will still be a great, if not amazing offensive team, a great, athletic and long defensive team with two legit perimeter defenders (LeBron and Wiggins) a decent rim protector in Varajao, and a deep bench.
If y'all want to win now and in the future with LeBron, you don't trade for Love.
I read something the other night that says if a player is traded, his salary does not reflect on the current salary cap that year.
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say what you will about Cleveland's play on the gridiron/court. there is usually some drama to fill in the gaps.
Love it!!
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