Would you do it for a 1st round pick ?

WalterWhite

@thenew23 said:
Keep an eye on Travis WIlson from Utah. Might have a breakout year.

The Browns already drafted a guy named Travis Wilson and it didn't work out so well

miktoxic

@walterwhite said:

I think a huge Sleeper for one of those QB's in the New York Giants. You can tell Manning has regressed and wants out.

they'll probably fire their new offensive coordinator by half season if they don't show improvement.

believe me it's not manning it's that he has no OLine. they have always been built on a huge OL and a good pound 'em running game. now they have neither and they hired this guy mcadoo that looked like a genius in GB but has totally fucked up manning's game. check out how he has manning setting up for his drop backs. nothing like he's ever done in his career.

Westside Steve

Brilliant. Then next September you can trade JaMarcus Winston for a first and on and on and on and on.

WSS

tiamat63

I do this trade in a heart beat. I suggested this before last Sunday. Get a 1st and 3rd or a 1st and Terrance Williams. Hell, it's Jerry, might be able to get more than that out of him.

Just don't take Marriota or Winston next year.

The Gipper

@westside-steve said:

Brilliant. Then next September you can trade JaMarcus Winston for a first and on and on and on and on.

WSS

Can I assume that was a purposeful faux pas.....as in Jameis Winston=Jamarcus Russell?

D Bone

"Would you do it for a 1st round pick?" Yea, I would. But that's because I'm not sold on JF's NFL future.............. The Browns won't however.

Westside Steve

@the-gipper said:
Can I assume that was a purposeful faux pas.....as in Jameis Winston=Jamarcus Russell?

You're on top of your game tonight Gipper. Maybe Marcus Leinart?

WSS

darkside5

If the Browns want to shop JM the worst thing they could do is to play him. Deal him to Jerry while the "mystery" is still there and let JERRY find out if it was worth a 1st round pick. I personally think Jerry would get the short end of the stick.

Canton Mike

Nope!

We have been "QB poor" for so long, finally draft a smart, athletic one with tremendous upside, & want to trade him before he gets going? HELL NO!

Johnny is learning, but he has already shown his play making ability in limited opportunities. Let's see this through. I think we'll benefit more by keeping him here.

Mike

Tour2ma

XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Sumlin must have thought his "special talent" gave him a better chance to win than someone running his base offense.

No argument there (surprise!), but that's relative to the other talent Sumlin had available in 2012. I wonder what choice Sumlin would make today. Anyway... we digress...

It's clear to me that "special talent" is not sufficient at the NFL level, so my question remains:

Can you shape JM into an NFL QB without destroying all that made him special at A&M?

XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Connor Cook is not that good, and is he even eligible?

Certainly not in the Oregon game he was a roller coaster... great one moment... wtf in the next...

He's a Junior...

Mark O

The Rams might need a QB as well. I'd offer him to them for a first round pick if Hoyer can play well again this week.

hoorta

@mark-o said:
The Rams might need a QB as well. I'd offer him to them for a first round pick if Hoyer can play well again this week.

"Might" draft a qb? Make that "will" draft a qb. The Rams have to have a backup plan to Bradford. There's much wailing in St. Loie that they didn't draft Bortles.

Zombo

Hey, I know a team that needs a QB ... The Browns!

Brian Hoyer has five career starts and blew out his knee in one of them.

Don't ever trade a QB until you know what you have (See Atlanta, Favre).

Quarterbacks are gold. The lack of one has plagued us for 15 years.

Please do not trade this kid, he could be special. We need special.

Z

Westside Steve

Zombo said:

Hey, I know a team that needs a QB ... The Browns!

Brian Hoyer has five career starts and blew out his knee in one of them.

Don't ever trade a QB until you know what you have (See Atlanta, Favre).

Quarterbacks are gold. The lack of one has plagued us for 15 years.

Please do not trade this kid, he could be special. We need special.

Z

'Zactly.

WSS

The Gipper

@westside-steve said:

You're on top of your game tonight Gipper. Maybe Marcus Leinart?

WSS

Mark Leinert, Matt Sanchez?

Westside Steve

@the-gipper said:
Mark Leinert, Matt Sanchez?

Is there a highly coveted Matt or Mark in the upcoming draft?

WSS

miktoxic

@canton-mike said:
finally draft a smart, athletic one with tremendous upside

usually agree with you mike but none of those things have been proven yet.

want to walk into a poker hand with 2 aces high or one?

Canton Mike

@miktoxic said:

usually agree with you mike but none of those things have been proven yet.

want to walk into a poker hand with 2 aces high or one?

Mik,

While none have been proven during an NFL season, Johnny HAS made some plays in exhibition season that, combined with his past accomplishments, show that he CAN be special in the NFL. I have yet to see any of that from the any of the draft picks folks want in his place. Time will tell, but from what I see, what Coaches & veteran Players have said, I am not willing to trade him to go back to square one.

I don't consider draft picks "aces"....just big question marks.

Mike

miktoxic

very true. and going to the 'table' with draft picks is unlike any other poker game on this side of the mississippi. you could have a royal flush walk out of the game thinking you're driving someone's mercedes convertible home to find out the engine is shit.

i answered the question, plain and simple. what would you do for another first rounder? well first off how would you get that first rounder? trading someone i guess, correct? well gilbert bitonio and the rest of the first round class will not bring you that blue chip.......but one player would. yep. JF.

does that mean i'd trade him? at this point no. what i've seen of him i like. he brings a fire to the team (and one under hoyer's ass) that is undeniable. let hoyer fall asleep at the wheel for a week and see what happens.

BUT

what if hoyer blows JF comes in, lights it up and the phone starts ringing? would you not answer it?

i think what the browns have done with both these guys has been nothing but genius. the media circus has now calmed down. hoyer looked like a dim gem in the 2nd half of the game last week and manziel looked like someone that wanted to be there. i like all those things. slap each other on the ass. let's make some fucking plays and whoever it is let's fucking win.

The Gipper

@westside-steve said:

Is there a highly coveted Matt or Mark in the upcoming draft?

WSS

No, but there is a Luke and a John!