Football Outsiders Compares Hoyer to Pennington
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Ill get slayed for saying it....and Im not implying Hoyer will have the same type of career......BUT....
....there was this guy who was a fairly decent college QB and got drafted....mmmm 4th round, I believe, with no fanfare.....average size 6-2, about 210....exactly the same as Hoyer.....had a so so arm, accurate enough, average strength....just like Hoyer.....pretty smart too......like Hoyer......then he got on a great TEAM with a great offensive system......maybe like Hoyer?.....and he had similar weapons too....always had good(not great) numbers....like Hoyer......TD's in the teen and low interception rate(good decision maker)(like Hoyer).....BUT the one thing he had that you cant measure was a certain calm and "the knack for winning".....he just won.....and maybe, just possibly....Hoyer has the same knack....sure seems like it...all 6-2 with a team that only wins when he plays...and the guy? Montana
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I think its a bad comparison Chad Pennington has 0 arm velocity.
I think the comparison lies morein the return from injury and the way he took care of the ball. Pennington never put up gaudy numbers, but threw something like 46 TDs and 30 INTs over the next three years and won like 22 games in that same span.
He certainly wasn't the best, but he was a mildly unassuming quarterback who was basically just a facilitator. He got his teams to the playoffs despite not being an All-Star.
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No slaying here... even tho a Joe comparison never crossed my mind. For one thing I'm remembering Joe being bigger and his arm being stronger... not contesting your statements, but my memory is in the way.
Offenses are certainly similar...
O-lines are comparable...
Tate isn't there yet, but he could become Roger Craig-ish... so might West...
Ditto for Gordon not being Rice... yet...
Nope... no slaying...
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Football outsiders are a bunch of nerds. Not everything can be explained by statistics. Eat shit football outsiders.
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Ill get slayed for saying it....and Im not implying Hoyer will have the same type of career......BUT....
....there was this guy who was a fairly decent college QB and got drafted....mmmm 4th round, I believe, with no fanfare.....average size 6-2, about 210....exactly the same as Hoyer.....had a so so arm, accurate enough, average strength....just like Hoyer.....pretty smart too......like Hoyer......then he got on a great TEAM with a great offensive system......maybe like Hoyer?.....and he had similar weapons too....always had good(not great) numbers....like Hoyer......TD's in the teen and low interception rate(good decision maker)(like Hoyer).....BUT the one thing he had that you cant measure was a certain calm and "the knack for winning".....he just won.....and maybe, just possibly....Hoyer has the same knack....sure seems like it...all 6-2 with a team that only wins when he plays...and the guy? Montana
Ill get slayed for saying it....and Im not implying Hoyer will have the same type of career......BUT....
....there was this guy who was a fairly decent college QB and got drafted....mmmm 4th round, I believe, with no fanfare.....average size 6-2, about 210....exactly the same as Hoyer.....had a so so arm, accurate enough, average strength....just like Hoyer.....pretty smart too......like Hoyer......then he got on a great TEAM with a great offensive system......maybe like Hoyer?.....and he had similar weapons too....always had good(not great) numbers....like Hoyer......TD's in the teen and low interception rate(good decision maker)(like Hoyer).....BUT the one thing he had that you cant measure was a certain calm and "the knack for winning".....he just won.....and maybe, just possibly....Hoyer has the same knack....sure seems like it...all 6-2 with a team that only wins when he plays...and the guy? Montana
I'm not slaying you for that. Joe was a little quicker on his feet and little more accurate on the short stuff, but size-wise and cerebral-wise very similar with the all elusive "It" factor.
Zombo
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Football outsiders are a bunch of nerds. Not everything can be explained by statistics. Eat shit football outsiders.
I mean for real. I'm so fucking tired of these stats fgts, I wanna shit in their mouth. Literally.
Football outsiders are a bunch of nerds. Not everything can be explained by statistics. Eat shit football outsiders.
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No slaying here... even tho a Joe comparison never crossed my mind. For one thing I'm remembering Joe being bigger and his arm being stronger... not contesting your statements, but my memory is in the way.
Offenses are certainly similar...
O-lines are comparable...
Tate isn't there yet, but he could become Roger Craig-ish... so might West...
Ditto for Gordon not being Rice... yet...
Nope... no slaying...
No slaying here... even tho a Joe comparison never crossed my mind. For one thing I'm remembering Joe being bigger and his arm being stronger... not contesting your statements, but my memory is in the way.
Offenses are certainly similar...
O-lines are comparable...
Tate isn't there yet, but he could become Roger Craig-ish... so might West...
Ditto for Gordon not being Rice... yet...
Nope... no slaying...
yep....if you really think about it, the teams, players, offensive coaching and QB's all compare nicely......and Montana lived off a solid running game and short, quick passing game.....rice/gordon.......clark/cameron......craig/Tate-Crowell.....their line/our line........walsh/shanahan....etc etc etc....there are a lot of comparables between the teams.....
Zombo said:
I'm not slaying you for that. Joe was a little quicker on his feet and little more accurate on the short stuff, but size-wise and cerebral-wise very similar with the all elusive "It" factor.
Zombo
Yes....you're right there....he wasn't a great runner, but he could pull it out when needed.....
But you did tap my main point.....which was the "IT" factor.....no flash, just victories.....and Montana didn't win games alone.....he got the ball to Rice/Clark/Craig and THEY won the games as a team.....
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Pennington was pretty good before the injury bug hit. However, I am a biased Marshall fan.
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No slaying here... even tho a Joe comparison never crossed my mind. For one thing I'm remembering Joe being bigger and his arm being stronger... not contesting your statements, but my memory is in the way.
Offenses are certainly similar...
O-lines are comparable...
Tate isn't there yet, but he could become Roger Craig-ish... so might West...
Ditto for Gordon not being Rice... yet...
Nope... no slaying...
yep....if you really think about it, the teams, players, offensive coaching and QB's all compare nicely......and Montana lived off a solid running game and short, quick passing game.....rice/gordon.......clark/cameron......craig/Tate-Crowell.....their line/our line........walsh/shanahan....etc etc etc....there are a lot of comparables between the teams.....
Zombo said:
I'm not slaying you for that. Joe was a little quicker on his feet and little more accurate on the short stuff, but size-wise and cerebral-wise very similar with the all elusive "It" factor.
Zombo
Yes....you're right there....he wasn't a great runner, but he could pull it out when needed.....
But you did tap my main point.....which was the "IT" factor.....no flash, just victories.....and Montana didn't win games alone.....he got the ball to Rice/Clark/Craig and THEY won the games as a team.....
...clark/Cameron...
But you did tap my main point.....which was the "IT" factor.....no flash, just victories.....and Montana didn't win games alone.....he got the ball to Rice/Clark/Craig and THEY won the games as a team.....
Clark / Cam is a good addition...
Would love to know Walsh's opinion of BH. Bill spotted the "it" in Montana when no one else did...
Now we just need a Walsh/Niners D...
Seriously, emulating Walsh's 9ers after 15 years would just be too ironic given the make up of the first FO in '99...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
No slaying here... even tho a Joe comparison never crossed my mind. For one thing I'm remembering Joe being bigger and his arm being stronger... not contesting your statements, but my memory is in the way.
Offenses are certainly similar...
O-lines are comparable...
Tate isn't there yet, but he could become Roger Craig-ish... so might West...
Ditto for Gordon not being Rice... yet...
Nope... no slaying...
yep....if you really think about it, the teams, players, offensive coaching and QB's all compare nicely......and Montana lived off a solid running game and short, quick passing game.....rice/gordon.......clark/cameron......craig/Tate-Crowell.....their line/our line........walsh/shanahan....etc etc etc....there are a lot of comparables between the teams.....
Zombo said:
I'm not slaying you for that. Joe was a little quicker on his feet and little more accurate on the short stuff, but size-wise and cerebral-wise very similar with the all elusive "It" factor.
Zombo
Yes....you're right there....he wasn't a great runner, but he could pull it out when needed.....
But you did tap my main point.....which was the "IT" factor.....no flash, just victories.....and Montana didn't win games alone.....he got the ball to Rice/Clark/Craig and THEY won the games as a team.....
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...clark/Cameron...
But you did tap my main point.....which was the "IT" factor.....no flash, just victories.....and Montana didn't win games alone.....he got the ball to Rice/Clark/Craig and THEY won the games as a team.....
Clark / Cam is a good addition...
Would love to know Walsh's opinion of BH. Bill spotted the "it" in Montana when no one else did...
Now we just need a Walsh/Niners D...
Seriously, emulating Walsh's 9ers after 15 years would just be too ironic given the make up of the first FO in '99...
Clark / Cam is a good addition...
Would love to know Walsh's opinion of BH. Bill spotted the "it" in Montana when no one else did...
Now we just need a Walsh/Niners D...
Seriously, emulating Walsh's 9ers after 15 years would just be too ironic given the make up of the first FO in '99...
yeah...no Ronnie Lotts or Fred Deans on our roster either.....yet....they took a few years to come together too.....
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I'm going to make a difference case in who I think the guy stacks up to: Eli Manning.
Honestly, take a minute and think of Manning's career. It's really unassuming overall despite the dude being a two time super bowl winning QB. He's never thrown for more than 31td's in a season in his career, always hovers around the high 50's-low 60's in completion%, and outside of 2011 throws around 4,000 yds.
What makes Eli great (maybe not lately, but in the prime years), is just winning games when they matter in crunch time. Hoyer has shown on multiple occasions now that he has this same, so called "it" factor to him. The only difference is Eli turns the ball over way more than Hoyer.
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Football outsiders are a bunch of nerds. Not everything can be explained by statistics. Eat shit football outsiders.
Football outsiders are a bunch of nerds. Not everything can be explained by statistics. Eat shit football outsiders.
Stats fuck your mother?
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