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  • Benji, 1 muff, lost step with knee? To many penalties? Great change not to run ball out deep in endzone and playing the better field position. We have quicker people than Jim Leonard?? Are we being to conservative??

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  • Yeah I don't like it, Benji needs to man up or why not try Gilbert or Gabriel?

  • They probably dont want to risk anyone getting hurt at shallow positions.

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  • I think we have like 3 punt return yards. It's not the Josh Cribbs days ... But those teams sucked. Right now I'm ok with "just don't fumble" ... Hoyer the Scorer will take care of the rest.

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  • Flyin JF Flyin J

    They probably dont want to risk anyone getting hurt at shallow positions.

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    They probably dont want to risk anyone getting hurt at shallow positions.

    Yeah, I can understand Gilbert because that is a somewhat shallow position. I'd like to see what Gabriel can do though, Benjamin is doing good things for us but not returning punts.

  • 1 - Kick returns are pointless nowadays, which is sad.

    2 - Punt Returns are becoming very difficult. How many punts are right next to the sidelines or out of bounds? Teams have figured it out, kick it high and toward a line and play max cover. We haven't seen many returns in the NFL this season. That is still no excuse for the fact that we have a holding penalty on literally every return we do try. I say just fair catch it, don't fumble, and let the offense take over. I'm fine with that.

    #Justsayin'
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  • thenew23T thenew23

    1 - Kick returns are pointless nowadays, which is sad.

    2 - Punt Returns are becoming very difficult. How many punts are right next to the sidelines or out of bounds? Teams have figured it out, kick it high and toward a line and play max cover. We haven't seen many returns in the NFL this season. That is still no excuse for the fact that we have a holding penalty on literally every return we do try. I say just fair catch it, don't fumble, and let the offense take over. I'm fine with that.

    @thenew23 said:

    1 - Kick returns are pointless nowadays, which is sad.

    2 - Punt Returns are becoming very difficult. How many punts are right next to the sidelines or out of bounds? Teams have figured it out, kick it high and toward a line and play max cover. We haven't seen many returns in the NFL this season. That is still no excuse for the fact that we have a holding penalty on literally every return we do try. I say just fair catch it, don't fumble, and let the offense take over. I'm fine with that.

    THIS. Tell your players to fair catch and not touch ANYONE. I've never seen a team get a flag on every single fucking PR

  • I agree. They just need to let the SP players know we are fair catching everything and do a minimum on blocking AT THE LINE ONLY with hands closed so they don't grab.

  • The NFL kickoff rule change has pussified what used to be an exciting component of the game. The league's goal, I think, is to reduce the rate of high-impact collisions and

    player lawsuits. I'd guess the touchback percentage is near fifty percent. It would not surprise me if the league scuttles the kickoff altogether. Are we not men?

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  • slowburnS slowburn

    The NFL kickoff rule change has pussified what used to be an exciting component of the game. The league's goal, I think, is to reduce the rate of high-impact collisions and

    player lawsuits. I'd guess the touchback percentage is near fifty percent. It would not surprise me if the league scuttles the kickoff altogether. Are we not men?

    @slowburn said:

    The NFL kickoff rule change has pussified what used to be an exciting component of the game. The league's goal, I think, is to reduce the rate of high-impact collisions and

    player lawsuits. I'd guess the touchback percentage is near fifty percent. It would not surprise me if the league scuttles the kickoff altogether. Are we not men?

    If by "we" you mean Roger Goodell, then no we are not men
  • slowburnS slowburn

    The NFL kickoff rule change has pussified what used to be an exciting component of the game. The league's goal, I think, is to reduce the rate of high-impact collisions and

    player lawsuits. I'd guess the touchback percentage is near fifty percent. It would not surprise me if the league scuttles the kickoff altogether. Are we not men?

    @slowburn said:

    Are we not men?

    We are Devo

  • thenew23T thenew23

    1 - Kick returns are pointless nowadays, which is sad.

    2 - Punt Returns are becoming very difficult. How many punts are right next to the sidelines or out of bounds? Teams have figured it out, kick it high and toward a line and play max cover. We haven't seen many returns in the NFL this season. That is still no excuse for the fact that we have a holding penalty on literally every return we do try. I say just fair catch it, don't fumble, and let the offense take over. I'm fine with that.

    @thenew23 said:

    1 - Kick returns are pointless nowadays, which is sad.

    2 - Punt Returns are becoming very difficult. How many punts are right next to the sidelines or out of bounds? Teams have figured it out, kick it high and toward a line and play max cover. We haven't seen many returns in the NFL this season. That is still no excuse for the fact that we have a holding penalty on literally every return we do try. I say just fair catch it, don't fumble, and let the offense take over. I'm fine with that.

    Yup... not to mention the "block in the back" flags.

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  • thenew23T thenew23

    1 - Kick returns are pointless nowadays, which is sad.

    2 - Punt Returns are becoming very difficult. How many punts are right next to the sidelines or out of bounds? Teams have figured it out, kick it high and toward a line and play max cover. We haven't seen many returns in the NFL this season. That is still no excuse for the fact that we have a holding penalty on literally every return we do try. I say just fair catch it, don't fumble, and let the offense take over. I'm fine with that.

    @thenew23 said:

    2 - Punt Returns are becoming very difficult. How many punts are right next to the sidelines or out of bounds? Teams have figured it out, kick it high and toward a line and play max cover. We haven't seen many returns in the NFL this season. That is still no excuse for the fact that we have a holding penalty on literally every return we do try. I say just fair catch it, don't fumble, and let the offense take over. I'm fine with that.

    Hence the reason we see Leonard back there on a lot of punts. He's not running the thing anywhere....all he's back there for is to fair catch the sucker...

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