Do juiced-up Steelers teams deserve asterisks?
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JosephSixpack said:
Ah I was wondrin' when you were gonna show... how ya been?What was the purpose of the book again? And what was the Title of it?
Aren't you the SAME guy that wanted to inform our entire board that Lyle Alzado represented the rule and not the exception in Cleveland? The ENTIRE team and fanbase hated his ass. The Browns actually had an anti-drug program called the Inner Circle so I see why there's 1 more thing you're envious of.
"We were horrible role models."
"I got rid of my rings because they represented shame and cheating!"
Sports Illustrated didn't do a casket count for any other team. Not even the 63 Chargers. Imagine that!
Most people outside of Pittsburgh know what False Glory means. Nobody in Pittsburgh has the first clue. Go figure!
- Tom F.
What was the purpose of the book again? And what was the Title of it?
Aren't you the SAME guy that wanted to inform our entire board that Lyle Alzado represented the rule and not the exception in Cleveland? The ENTIRE team and fanbase hated his ass. The Browns actually had an anti-drug program called the Inner Circle so I see why there's 1 more thing you're envious of.
"We were horrible role models."
"I got rid of my rings because they represented shame and cheating!"
Sports Illustrated didn't do a casket count for any other team. Not even the 63 Chargers. Imagine that!
Most people outside of Pittsburgh know what False Glory means. Nobody in Pittsburgh has the first clue. Go figure!
- Tom F.
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What was the purpose of the book again? And what was the Title of it?
Aren't you the SAME guy that wanted to inform our entire board that Lyle Alzado represented the rule and not the exception in Cleveland? The ENTIRE team and fanbase hated his ass. The Browns actually had an anti-drug program called the Inner Circle so I see why there's 1 more thing you're envious of.
"We were horrible role models."
"I got rid of my rings because they represented shame and cheating!"
Sports Illustrated didn't do a casket count for any other team. Not even the 63 Chargers. Imagine that!
Most people outside of Pittsburgh know what False Glory means. Nobody in Pittsburgh has the first clue. Go figure!
- Tom F.
Weren't you, Flugel, the one who got your name in a newspaper article for being extremely sick and cheering Ben's motorcycle accident before you knew the extent of his injury?
Sivlerback DPOY said:
Weren't you, Flugel, the one who got your name in a newspaper article for being extremely sick and cheering Ben's motorcycle accident before you knew the extent of his injury?Was this BEFORE or AFTER you and your buddies interrupted every Browns message board you could find to celebrate the day Kellen Winslow had a motorcycle accident? Selective memory?
Let's just say when I heard the Drama Queen was still going to be starting on opening day - I had some fun with the irony of it all. That said, it's not in me to go on your message boards to intervene with the process of people trying to enjoy their team. You wouldn't understand because here you are. To be honest, I didn't think your local paper was so piss poor that it needed to invade a Browns' Private message board in order to find worthy reading material and STEAL it for your papers. Anyway, here were my summary of comments to Browns fans:
"I wonder who is wearing the bigger head turban today - Bin Laden or Ben Riden?"
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"There's just something about Steelers QBs bouncing off hard surfaces that makes this rivalry fun."
- Tom F. (Don't worry, you guys have so much HGH in that lockerroom - nobody ever lands on IR in that program. Still dirty!)
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Who cares who started it?
The Steelers "won" their Superbowls solely because of steroids. Period.
Who cares who started it?
The Steelers "won" their Superbowls solely because of steroids. Period.
LOLOLOLOL.... HI~LARIOUS !!!!!
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JosephSixpack said:
Let's see... all I've done is post a link to a video of guys from the team that started steroid use in the NFL, talking about how they started steroid use in the NFL. I let them do the talking, not my words. The actual players, for all to see and listen to.And I'm the one who's smoking the good stuff huh?
Yeah, just like I was high back when I told you guys were doing this stuff way before the '70s.
Now who's high?
Again, why weren't you guys all over the Van Pelt story? Instead of getting all giddy over Jeff Reed.
Just proves my point.
You know, I know, and they know you have proved a good point. They won't admitt it and throw personal attacks like Ben throws game winning tds after leading great hurry up offense down the field. They know they are hypocrites and admitt to being biased against the Steelers. (As if we couldn't have figured that out) They will take both sides to any situation just as an excuse to attack the Steelers. (Ex: Remember week 17 this year? Leading up to the game they said Tomlin was dumb and we were going to lose in the first round of the playoffs becuase Tomlin was going to rest the starters. When they found out we were playing are starters they said Tomlin was dumb becuase someone was going to get injured. Then they cheered like crazy as Ben lay motionless on the ground will a head/neck/back injury.) I hope you have figured out to not take them seriously. I just can't figure out why all the hate? It was the Ravens who took their team from Cleveland and it was the Steelers who voted to keep their team in Cleveland. A lot of what these Browns fan say/do is out of arrogance. They want to live success so if they dimish others success and act if they are the best, in their mind, they will be they best.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
LOLOLOLOL.... HI~LARIOUS !!!!!Why let loser trolls bother you
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
JosephSixpack said:
Alzado had his best years with Cleveland. Yeah I can just hear the Brownie fans "oh nice sack Lyle! But we hate you because you do 'roids!" Oh man you are hilarious!Good to see ya again Flugie.
That's just it Joe - you don't do any research before tasting your Nikes. We're kind of used to this with you.
CAREER Tm G GS
8 yrs DEN 99 98
4 yrs OAK 51 51
3 yrs CLE 46 30
They didn't record sacks until 1982 - the year Lyle went to Oakland. If you look at the # of games and the number of starts, Cleveland was his worst place. Not that you needed to see this if you ever heard him say he played his worst football in Cleveland.
- Tom F.
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Sivlerback DPOY said:
Weren't you, Flugel, the one who got your name in a newspaper article for being extremely sick and cheering Ben's motorcycle accident before you knew the extent of his injury?Was this BEFORE or AFTER you and your buddies interrupted every Browns message board you could find to celebrate the day Kellen Winslow had a motorcycle accident? Selective memory?
Let's just say when I heard the Drama Queen was still going to be starting on opening day - I had some fun with the irony of it all. That said, it's not in me to go on your message boards to intervene with the process of people trying to enjoy their team. You wouldn't understand because here you are. To be honest, I didn't think your local paper was so piss poor that it needed to invade a Browns' Private message board in order to find worthy reading material and STEAL it for your papers. Anyway, here were my summary of comments to Browns fans:
"I wonder who is wearing the bigger head turban today - Bin Laden or Ben Riden?"
-and-
"There's just something about Steelers QBs bouncing off hard surfaces that makes this rivalry fun."
- Tom F. (Don't worry, you guys have so much HGH in that lockerroom - nobody ever lands on IR in that program. Still dirty!)
Was this BEFORE or AFTER you and your buddies interrupted every Browns message board you could find to celebrate the day Kellen Winslow had a motorcycle accident? Selective memory?
Let's just say when I heard the Drama Queen was still going to be starting on opening day - I had some fun with the irony of it all. That said, it's not in me to go on your message boards to intervene with the process of people trying to enjoy their team. You wouldn't understand because here you are. To be honest, I didn't think your local paper was so piss poor that it needed to invade a Browns' Private message board in order to find worthy reading material and STEAL it for your papers. Anyway, here were my summary of comments to Browns fans:
"I wonder who is wearing the bigger head turban today - Bin Laden or Ben Riden?"
-and-
"There's just something about Steelers QBs bouncing off hard surfaces that makes this rivalry fun."
- Tom F. (Don't worry, you guys have so much HGH in that lockerroom - nobody ever lands on IR in that program. Still dirty!)
They needed to get proof people actually say completely rediculous and stupid things and you were the best example that could be found. If you hate the Steeler so much and feel most of what them and there fans do is wrong, then isn't it using circular reasoning to use their actions as an excuse for your actions? I don't stop you when you people are enjoying your team. I sometimes join your draft discussions and tried to join in threads concerning who would be your next head coach. Enjoying your team doesn't mean you say rediculous things about other players, teams, and fans. Trash-talking is one thing and supposed to be fun, making fun of injuries among other things are sick and rediculous.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
LOLOLOLOL.... HI~LARIOUS !!!!!Why let loser trolls bother you
Why let loser trolls bother you
No it seriously makes me laugh... its comical.
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JosephSixpack said:
This is right off ESPN:Yep, Browns sack leader Lyle Alzado. He was really hated, I can tell.
Keep on grasping those straws buddy.
And again -- how do you explain missing the Van Pelt story, but glomming all over the little Reed incident?
That says it all.
Again, your research is short sighted and selective. Then again, you're in denial that the steroids era was the 70s and the poster boys of it were the Pittsburgh Stee-roids. Sports Illustrated and former Steeler Steve Courson tell some compelling stories about it all. I think the guy that shared needles with teammates is a better source than you wishing none of it was true. Steroids + Trophies = Early Funerals. "We were horrible role models." "I threw away my rings." "Kids today emulate their heroes. It makes me sick knowing we're the reason a kid in high school or junior high school wants to use the same short cuts we required." It doesn't sound like much peace and serenity after the massive group cheat. It's got you miserable Joey!
In any event, here's the Alzado reality that anyone with more than 2 braincells on spreaking terms can make some conclusions about:
CAREER Tm G GS
8 yrs DEN 99 98
4 yrs OAK 51 51
3 yrs CLE 46 30
Looks like played 100% of his games in Oakland where they WON the Superbowl and he started 98 out of 99 games in Denver where he made MOST of his Pro Bowls. The math says he was reliable enough elsewhere for 149 out of 150 possible starts. In Cleveland he missed a THIRD of his games (equalling 1 whole season) but had 1 good year out of 3. Understanding this, if he was an ASSET instead of an ASSHOLE, he stays instead of sprays.
If he was as good as you WANTED him to be in Cleveland, he would have remained on the team with a raise. Steroids have never been the rule in this lockerroom. You're just pissed his quick release reinforces that reality as you should be. Have you ever won a single debate in here with anyone?
Have another beer! Don't ALL happy fans name themselves after a depressant with their screen names?
- Tom F. (Don't worry, I don't have higher expections from the 'Steroids Are Us' crowd)
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Steroids Are Us!!!
That has a nice ring to it Flugs.
I was thinking something more along the lines of "Steroids, They're Not Just For Breakfast Anymore,", but I think I prefer yours.
It's so cute watching these guys try to deflect. If only they could win one for real.
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JosephSixpack said:
Thing is, it's the Bradshaw part that sealed the deal, took the cake --He SURE did. He also gave poor little Jo Jo Starbuck (the temporary wife) black eyes and broken noses. Greg Loyd had a WONDERFUL role model. I'm sure the wife playing deep throat and broken teeth to the pistol shaft while the son was also tied up with a gun to his head are very thankful for steroids. Sounds like they do wonders for the mind and disturbing behavioral patterns.
Would that be MORE of this roid rage yinz all want the "shhhh" policy continued for? I got your "shhh" right here! That's not the SAME kind of Family Building tactics we saw from the "We Are Family" crew. I actually LIKED those guys because they were far better role models.
Unfortunately, poor Mike Webster was competing with rats and raccons for meals out of trash cans but the lost mind had nothing to do with 15 years of steroid abuse right? Terry Long didn't wait that long - he purchased a gallon of Anti-freeze and chugged it. Don't shoot the mailman reporting your drug culture. You're so guilt ridden - you're naming your screen identity after your coping skills, which are also a depressant. Where's all the peace, serenity and jubilation for selling the souls Joey?
God bless ya! That type of imagination belongs in Disney where "once upon a time" never gets altered from the path of "they lived happily ever after." Unfortunately, your creativity never stopped 1 premature funeral from happening. Seems like I feel worse for your heroes than you're capable of.
- Tom F. (I don't think they need asterisks when SI is willing to provide the casket counts, America defined the Steelers as the poster boys of the steroids era, and 1 Steeler wrote about the shame/guilt of it all. We're all set!)
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Steroids Are Us!!!
That has a nice ring to it Flugs.
I was thinking something more along the lines of "Steroids, They're Not Just For Breakfast Anymore,", but I think I prefer yours.
It's so cute watching these guys try to deflect. If only they could win one for real.
Steroids Are Us!!!
That has a nice ring to it Flugs.
I was thinking something more along the lines of "Steroids, They're Not Just For Breakfast Anymore,", but I think I prefer yours.
It's so cute watching these guys try to deflect. If only they could win one for real.
You and Flugel are refusing to admitt players in the 60's started wide spread use of roids and we are the ones defelecting it? I don't see you offering video proof of players admitting to be the first people to start using roids. Your attempts to tarnish the Steelers remind me of your offense attempts to score just one td...
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JosephSixpack said:
Thing is, it's the Bradshaw part that sealed the deal, took the cake --He SURE did. He also gave poor little Jo Jo Starbuck (the temporary wife) black eyes and broken noses. Greg Loyd had a WONDERFUL role model. I'm sure the wife playing deep throat and broken teeth to the pistol shaft while the son was also tied up with a gun to his head are very thankful for steroids. Sounds like they do wonders for the mind and disturbing behavioral patterns.
Would that be MORE of this roid rage yinz all want the "shhhh" policy continued for? I got your "shhh" right here! That's not the SAME kind of Family Building tactics we saw from the "We Are Family" crew. I actually LIKED those guys because they were far better role models.
Unfortunately, poor Mike Webster was competing with rats and raccons for meals out of trash cans but the lost mind had nothing to do with 15 years of steroid abuse right? Terry Long didn't wait that long - he purchased a gallon of Anti-freeze and chugged it. Don't shoot the mailman reporting your drug culture. You're so guilt ridden - you're naming your screen identity after your coping skills, which are also a depressant. Where's all the peace, serenity and jubilation for selling the souls Joey?
God bless ya! That type of imagination belongs in Disney where "once upon a time" never gets altered from the path of "they lived happily ever after." Unfortunately, your creativity never stopped 1 premature funeral from happening. Seems like I feel worse for your heroes than you're capable of.
- Tom F. (I don't think they need asterisks when SI is willing to provide the casket counts, America defined the Steelers as the poster boys of the steroids era, and 1 Steeler wrote about the shame/guilt of it all. We're all set!)
He SURE did. He also gave poor little Jo Jo Starbuck (the temporary wife) black eyes and broken noses. Greg Loyd had a WONDERFUL role model. I'm sure the wife playing deep throat and broken teeth to the pistol shaft while the son was also tied up with a gun to his head are very thankful for steroids. Sounds like they do wonders for the mind and disturbing behavioral patterns.
Would that be MORE of this roid rage yinz all want the "shhhh" policy continued for? I got your "shhh" right here! That's not the SAME kind of Family Building tactics we saw from the "We Are Family" crew. I actually LIKED those guys because they were far better role models.
Unfortunately, poor Mike Webster was competing with rats and raccons for meals out of trash cans but the lost mind had nothing to do with 15 years of steroid abuse right? Terry Long didn't wait that long - he purchased a gallon of Anti-freeze and chugged it. Don't shoot the mailman reporting your drug culture. You're so guilt ridden - you're naming your screen identity after your coping skills, which are also a depressant. Where's all the peace, serenity and jubilation for selling the souls Joey?
God bless ya! That type of imagination belongs in Disney where "once upon a time" never gets altered from the path of "they lived happily ever after." Unfortunately, your creativity never stopped 1 premature funeral from happening. Seems like I feel worse for your heroes than you're capable of.
- Tom F. (I don't think they need asterisks when SI is willing to provide the casket counts, America defined the Steelers as the poster boys of the steroids era, and 1 Steeler wrote about the shame/guilt of it all. We're all set!)
So any time a Steeler gets mad he is having "roid rage" but turkey jones was okay to do what he did?
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JosephSixpack said:
This is right off ESPN:Yep, Browns sack leader Lyle Alzado. He was really hated, I can tell.
Keep on grasping those straws buddy.
And again -- how do you explain missing the Van Pelt story, but glomming all over the little Reed incident?
That says it all.
Again, your research is short sighted and selective. Then again, you're in denial that the steroids era was the 70s and the poster boys of it were the Pittsburgh Stee-roids. Sports Illustrated and former Steeler Steve Courson tell some compelling stories about it all. I think the guy that shared needles with teammates is a better source than you wishing none of it was true. Steroids + Trophies = Early Funerals. "We were horrible role models." "I threw away my rings." "Kids today emulate their heroes. It makes me sick knowing we're the reason a kid in high school or junior high school wants to use the same short cuts we required." It doesn't sound like much peace and serenity after the massive group cheat. It's got you miserable Joey!
In any event, here's the Alzado reality that anyone with more than 2 braincells on spreaking terms can make some conclusions about:
CAREER Tm G GS
8 yrs DEN 99 98
4 yrs OAK 51 51
3 yrs CLE 46 30
Looks like played 100% of his games in Oakland where they WON the Superbowl and he started 98 out of 99 games in Denver where he made MOST of his Pro Bowls. The math says he was reliable enough elsewhere for 149 out of 150 possible starts. In Cleveland he missed a THIRD of his games (equalling 1 whole season) but had 1 good year out of 3. Understanding this, if he was an ASSET instead of an ASSHOLE, he stays instead of sprays.
If he was as good as you WANTED him to be in Cleveland, he would have remained on the team with a raise. Steroids have never been the rule in this lockerroom. You're just pissed his quick release reinforces that reality as you should be. Have you ever won a single debate in here with anyone?
Have another beer! Don't ALL happy fans name themselves after a depressant with their screen names?
- Tom F. (Don't worry, I don't have higher expections from the 'Steroids Are Us' crowd)
Again, your research is short sighted and selective. Then again, you're in denial that the steroids era was the 70s and the poster boys of it were the Pittsburgh Stee-roids. Sports Illustrated and former Steeler Steve Courson tell some compelling stories about it all. I think the guy that shared needles with teammates is a better source than you wishing none of it was true. Steroids + Trophies = Early Funerals. "We were horrible role models." "I threw away my rings." "Kids today emulate their heroes. It makes me sick knowing we're the reason a kid in high school or junior high school wants to use the same short cuts we required." It doesn't sound like much peace and serenity after the massive group cheat. It's got you miserable Joey!
In any event, here's the Alzado reality that anyone with more than 2 braincells on spreaking terms can make some conclusions about:
CAREER Tm G GS
8 yrs DEN 99 98
4 yrs OAK 51 51
3 yrs CLE 46 30
Looks like played 100% of his games in Oakland where they WON the Superbowl and he started 98 out of 99 games in Denver where he made MOST of his Pro Bowls. The math says he was reliable enough elsewhere for 149 out of 150 possible starts. In Cleveland he missed a THIRD of his games (equalling 1 whole season) but had 1 good year out of 3. Understanding this, if he was an ASSET instead of an ASSHOLE, he stays instead of sprays.
If he was as good as you WANTED him to be in Cleveland, he would have remained on the team with a raise. Steroids have never been the rule in this lockerroom. You're just pissed his quick release reinforces that reality as you should be. Have you ever won a single debate in here with anyone?
Have another beer! Don't ALL happy fans name themselves after a depressant with their screen names?
- Tom F. (Don't worry, I don't have higher expections from the 'Steroids Are Us' crowd)
No one is denying that there were probably steroid users in the 70's locker room. What we are doing is using facts to prove your outregous accusations to be false. Such as we were the first team to use roids, we were the only team in the 70's to use roids, and we still use roids to this day. Your refusal to except these facts don't make you look intelligent. Your accusations that we don't admitt steroid use from the SOME Steelers in the 70's does the same exact thing to you. Don't look at other Browns fans opinions of you becuase they would obviously agree with whatever you say or do.
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
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Again, your research is short sighted and selective. Then again, you're in denial that the steroids era was the 70s and the poster boys of it were the Pittsburgh Stee-roids. Sports Illustrated and former Steeler Steve Courson tell some compelling stories about it all. I think the guy that shared needles with teammates is a better source than you wishing none of it was true. Steroids + Trophies = Early Funerals. "We were horrible role models." "I threw away my rings." "Kids today emulate their heroes. It makes me sick knowing we're the reason a kid in high school or junior high school wants to use the same short cuts we required." It doesn't sound like much peace and serenity after the massive group cheat. It's got you miserable Joey!
In any event, here's the Alzado reality that anyone with more than 2 braincells on spreaking terms can make some conclusions about:
CAREER Tm G GS
8 yrs DEN 99 98
4 yrs OAK 51 51
3 yrs CLE 46 30
Looks like played 100% of his games in Oakland where they WON the Superbowl and he started 98 out of 99 games in Denver where he made MOST of his Pro Bowls. The math says he was reliable enough elsewhere for 149 out of 150 possible starts. In Cleveland he missed a THIRD of his games (equalling 1 whole season) but had 1 good year out of 3. Understanding this, if he was an ASSET instead of an ASSHOLE, he stays instead of sprays.
If he was as good as you WANTED him to be in Cleveland, he would have remained on the team with a raise. Steroids have never been the rule in this lockerroom. You're just pissed his quick release reinforces that reality as you should be. Have you ever won a single debate in here with anyone?
Have another beer! Don't ALL happy fans name themselves after a depressant with their screen names?
- Tom F. (Don't worry, I don't have higher expections from the 'Steroids Are Us' crowd)
No one is denying that there were probably steroid users in the 70's locker room. What we are doing is using facts to prove your outregous accusations to be false. Such as we were the first team to use roids, we were the only team in the 70's to use roids, and we still use roids to this day. Your refusal to except these facts don't make you look intelligent. Your accusations that we don't admitt steroid use from the SOME Steelers in the 70's does the same exact thing to you. Don't look at other Browns fans opinions of you becuase they would obviously agree with whatever you say or do.
Sivlerback DPOY said:
No one is denying that there were probably steroid users in the 70's locker room. What we are doing is using facts to prove your outregous accusations to be false.Dude, you take longer naps than Rip Van Winkle if you think the Steelers weren't the poster boys for what was widely labelled the steroids era.
If you polled 100% of the fans that aren't Pittsburgh Steeler fans - you'd have 100% of those polled sayign the Steelers were the FIRST team to go wide spread abuse across both lines.
Don't believe me? Research the NFL's Strongesdt Man competitions from that era and you'll see the Steelers had 3 of their startign 5 olinemen competing in it. Meanwhile, Larry Brown was in the process of going from a comfortable TE weight to a heavy OT playing weight while losing body fat in the process.
When 80% of YOUR lines are bench pressing between 500 and 615 pounds when such feats were unheard of -De Nile isn't just a river in the Middle East.
What you and Joe are CHOOSING to miss is the concept of widespread use when we add the plural to pioneer. What Sports Illustrated and False Glory laid out in the message was that the team with the MOST cheaters was winning at all costs. Nobody said there wasn't occasional cheaters elsewhere - the message was Pittsburgh had the MOST cheating and it mattered regardless of how much you and Joe want to spin it. I didn't INVENT this - you guys are giving me too much credit for other people's work. SI covered the costs with the coffin counts while Courson said he felt guilty and shameful that all future users were going to say they wanted to emulate the Steeler way of winning at all costs. He knows it was wrong but for some reason he never survived the book signing tour. There's been ALOT of angry Steeler fans about that evil truth like Joe 6pack and yourself to name a few arguing on behalf of bad ethics. Sorry dude! The truth hurts and as Jack Nicholson says: "you can't handle the truth!"
Let it go, you're NEVER gonna change WHO were the poster boys of the steroids era were. It is what it is and there's SI stories and the False Glory story that captures everything you don't want America knowing. Geech brings the best input to this discussion. This topic needs the same kind of early funeral your steroids cause.
- Tom F. (When the Cleveland Browns were in 10 consecutive Pro Football Championships we didn't need to hire Perry Mason to legitimize them all. I see why none of yinz can sleep or celebrate knowing the ugly truth. You can't ever beat the REAL thing but you can hire the Paul Brown pupils and try the shortcuts you needed)
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Sivlerback DPOY said:
No one is denying that there were probably steroid users in the 70's locker room. What we are doing is using facts to prove your outregous accusations to be false.Dude, you take longer naps than Rip Van Winkle if you think the Steelers weren't the poster boys for what was widely labelled the steroids era.
If you polled 100% of the fans that aren't Pittsburgh Steeler fans - you'd have 100% of those polled sayign the Steelers were the FIRST team to go wide spread abuse across both lines.
Don't believe me? Research the NFL's Strongesdt Man competitions from that era and you'll see the Steelers had 3 of their startign 5 olinemen competing in it. Meanwhile, Larry Brown was in the process of going from a comfortable TE weight to a heavy OT playing weight while losing body fat in the process.
When 80% of YOUR lines are bench pressing between 500 and 615 pounds when such feats were unheard of -De Nile isn't just a river in the Middle East.
What you and Joe are CHOOSING to miss is the concept of widespread use when we add the plural to pioneer. What Sports Illustrated and False Glory laid out in the message was that the team with the MOST cheaters was winning at all costs. Nobody said there wasn't occasional cheaters elsewhere - the message was Pittsburgh had the MOST cheating and it mattered regardless of how much you and Joe want to spin it. I didn't INVENT this - you guys are giving me too much credit for other people's work. SI covered the costs with the coffin counts while Courson said he felt guilty and shameful that all future users were going to say they wanted to emulate the Steeler way of winning at all costs. He knows it was wrong but for some reason he never survived the book signing tour. There's been ALOT of angry Steeler fans about that evil truth like Joe 6pack and yourself to name a few arguing on behalf of bad ethics. Sorry dude! The truth hurts and as Jack Nicholson says: "you can't handle the truth!"
Let it go, you're NEVER gonna change WHO were the poster boys of the steroids era were. It is what it is and there's SI stories and the False Glory story that captures everything you don't want America knowing. Geech brings the best input to this discussion. This topic needs the same kind of early funeral your steroids cause.
- Tom F. (When the Cleveland Browns were in 10 consecutive Pro Football Championships we didn't need to hire Perry Mason to legitimize them all. I see why none of yinz can sleep or celebrate knowing the ugly truth. You can't ever beat the REAL thing but you can hire the Paul Brown pupils and try the shortcuts you needed)
Dude, you take longer naps than Rip Van Winkle if you think the Steelers weren't the poster boys for what was widely labelled the steroids era.
If you polled 100% of the fans that aren't Pittsburgh Steeler fans - you'd have 100% of those polled sayign the Steelers were the FIRST team to go wide spread abuse across both lines.
Don't believe me? Research the NFL's Strongesdt Man competitions from that era and you'll see the Steelers had 3 of their startign 5 olinemen competing in it. Meanwhile, Larry Brown was in the process of going from a comfortable TE weight to a heavy OT playing weight while losing body fat in the process.
When 80% of YOUR lines are bench pressing between 500 and 615 pounds when such feats were unheard of -De Nile isn't just a river in the Middle East.
What you and Joe are CHOOSING to miss is the concept of widespread use when we add the plural to pioneer. What Sports Illustrated and False Glory laid out in the message was that the team with the MOST cheaters was winning at all costs. Nobody said there wasn't occasional cheaters elsewhere - the message was Pittsburgh had the MOST cheating and it mattered regardless of how much you and Joe want to spin it. I didn't INVENT this - you guys are giving me too much credit for other people's work. SI covered the costs with the coffin counts while Courson said he felt guilty and shameful that all future users were going to say they wanted to emulate the Steeler way of winning at all costs. He knows it was wrong but for some reason he never survived the book signing tour. There's been ALOT of angry Steeler fans about that evil truth like Joe 6pack and yourself to name a few arguing on behalf of bad ethics. Sorry dude! The truth hurts and as Jack Nicholson says: "you can't handle the truth!"
Let it go, you're NEVER gonna change WHO were the poster boys of the steroids era were. It is what it is and there's SI stories and the False Glory story that captures everything you don't want America knowing. Geech brings the best input to this discussion. This topic needs the same kind of early funeral your steroids cause.
- Tom F. (When the Cleveland Browns were in 10 consecutive Pro Football Championships we didn't need to hire Perry Mason to legitimize them all. I see why none of yinz can sleep or celebrate knowing the ugly truth. You can't ever beat the REAL thing but you can hire the Paul Brown pupils and try the shortcuts you needed)
Its like you are acting like the video didn't have players admitting to using roids in the 60's....
The truth is, the Pittsburgh Steelers are 6 time champs and you would like to taint that by screaming steroids, cheating, refs etc.. If you didn't try to down play every Steelers win by blaming the refs then you may have gained enough credibility for me to not think you will pay all costs to try to damage the Steelers success. You are biased aginst the Steelers at all costs. I don't see threads against Shawn Merrimen or Rodney Harrison. I see threads saying our kicker uses roids becuase he got mad once.... Harrison takes a dumb penalty and thats all the proof you guys need to say he is on roids. Turkey Jones does worse then Harrison but thats the average Brown's fan favorite all time play. If you weren't such hypocrites, you would gain credibility.
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JosephSixpack said:
Thing is, it's the Bradshaw part that sealed the deal, took the cake --He SURE did. He also gave poor little Jo Jo Starbuck (the temporary wife) black eyes and broken noses. Greg Loyd had a WONDERFUL role model. I'm sure the wife playing deep throat and broken teeth to the pistol shaft while the son was also tied up with a gun to his head are very thankful for steroids. Sounds like they do wonders for the mind and disturbing behavioral patterns.
Would that be MORE of this roid rage yinz all want the "shhhh" policy continued for? I got your "shhh" right here! That's not the SAME kind of Family Building tactics we saw from the "We Are Family" crew. I actually LIKED those guys because they were far better role models.
Unfortunately, poor Mike Webster was competing with rats and raccons for meals out of trash cans but the lost mind had nothing to do with 15 years of steroid abuse right? Terry Long didn't wait that long - he purchased a gallon of Anti-freeze and chugged it. Don't shoot the mailman reporting your drug culture. You're so guilt ridden - you're naming your screen identity after your coping skills, which are also a depressant. Where's all the peace, serenity and jubilation for selling the souls Joey?
God bless ya! That type of imagination belongs in Disney where "once upon a time" never gets altered from the path of "they lived happily ever after." Unfortunately, your creativity never stopped 1 premature funeral from happening. Seems like I feel worse for your heroes than you're capable of.
- Tom F. (I don't think they need asterisks when SI is willing to provide the casket counts, America defined the Steelers as the poster boys of the steroids era, and 1 Steeler wrote about the shame/guilt of it all. We're all set!)
He SURE did. He also gave poor little Jo Jo Starbuck (the temporary wife) black eyes and broken noses. Greg Loyd had a WONDERFUL role model. I'm sure the wife playing deep throat and broken teeth to the pistol shaft while the son was also tied up with a gun to his head are very thankful for steroids. Sounds like they do wonders for the mind and disturbing behavioral patterns.
Would that be MORE of this roid rage yinz all want the "shhhh" policy continued for? I got your "shhh" right here! That's not the SAME kind of Family Building tactics we saw from the "We Are Family" crew. I actually LIKED those guys because they were far better role models.
Unfortunately, poor Mike Webster was competing with rats and raccons for meals out of trash cans but the lost mind had nothing to do with 15 years of steroid abuse right? Terry Long didn't wait that long - he purchased a gallon of Anti-freeze and chugged it. Don't shoot the mailman reporting your drug culture. You're so guilt ridden - you're naming your screen identity after your coping skills, which are also a depressant. Where's all the peace, serenity and jubilation for selling the souls Joey?
God bless ya! That type of imagination belongs in Disney where "once upon a time" never gets altered from the path of "they lived happily ever after." Unfortunately, your creativity never stopped 1 premature funeral from happening. Seems like I feel worse for your heroes than you're capable of.
- Tom F. (I don't think they need asterisks when SI is willing to provide the casket counts, America defined the Steelers as the poster boys of the steroids era, and 1 Steeler wrote about the shame/guilt of it all. We're all set!)
Ya thats all a bunch of Factual stuff. lol.... The Llyod and Bardshaw stuff was never Proven , why hash up stuff that the LAW rejected as BS ??? You do realize that people actually DO get accused of things they never Did... right. Or do you blindly believe EVERYTHING you read... HILARIOUS !!
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JosephSixpack said:
This is right off ESPN:Yep, Browns sack leader Lyle Alzado. He was really hated, I can tell.
Keep on grasping those straws buddy.
And again -- how do you explain missing the Van Pelt story, but glomming all over the little Reed incident?
That says it all.
Again, your research is short sighted and selective. Then again, you're in denial that the steroids era was the 70s and the poster boys of it were the Pittsburgh Stee-roids. Sports Illustrated and former Steeler Steve Courson tell some compelling stories about it all. I think the guy that shared needles with teammates is a better source than you wishing none of it was true. Steroids + Trophies = Early Funerals. "We were horrible role models." "I threw away my rings." "Kids today emulate their heroes. It makes me sick knowing we're the reason a kid in high school or junior high school wants to use the same short cuts we required." It doesn't sound like much peace and serenity after the massive group cheat. It's got you miserable Joey!
In any event, here's the Alzado reality that anyone with more than 2 braincells on spreaking terms can make some conclusions about:
CAREER Tm G GS
8 yrs DEN 99 98
4 yrs OAK 51 51
3 yrs CLE 46 30
Looks like played 100% of his games in Oakland where they WON the Superbowl and he started 98 out of 99 games in Denver where he made MOST of his Pro Bowls. The math says he was reliable enough elsewhere for 149 out of 150 possible starts. In Cleveland he missed a THIRD of his games (equalling 1 whole season) but had 1 good year out of 3. Understanding this, if he was an ASSET instead of an ASSHOLE, he stays instead of sprays.
If he was as good as you WANTED him to be in Cleveland, he would have remained on the team with a raise. Steroids have never been the rule in this lockerroom. You're just pissed his quick release reinforces that reality as you should be. Have you ever won a single debate in here with anyone?
Have another beer! Don't ALL happy fans name themselves after a depressant with their screen names?
- Tom F. (Don't worry, I don't have higher expections from the 'Steroids Are Us' crowd)
Again, your research is short sighted and selective. Then again, you're in denial that the steroids era was the 70s and the poster boys of it were the Pittsburgh Stee-roids. Sports Illustrated and former Steeler Steve Courson tell some compelling stories about it all. I think the guy that shared needles with teammates is a better source than you wishing none of it was true. Steroids + Trophies = Early Funerals. "We were horrible role models." "I threw away my rings." "Kids today emulate their heroes. It makes me sick knowing we're the reason a kid in high school or junior high school wants to use the same short cuts we required." It doesn't sound like much peace and serenity after the massive group cheat. It's got you miserable Joey!
. Steroids have never been the rule in this lockerroom. You're just pissed his quick release reinforces that reality as you should be. Have you ever won a single debate in here with anyone?
Tom, I have not seen anyone more obsesed with this issue than you. Steroids were certainly a rule in your locker room just like all of the NFL. The STEELERS got the reputation because they were successful and they actually had ONE person talk about it. Steroids were rampant in the NFL way before the STEELERS became your poster boys. Your point about Alzado is rediculous. The only thing you got right is that Steroids = ealry death when used improperly.
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He SURE did. He also gave poor little Jo Jo Starbuck (the temporary wife) black eyes and broken noses. Greg Loyd had a WONDERFUL role model. I'm sure the wife playing deep throat and broken teeth to the pistol shaft while the son was also tied up with a gun to his head are very thankful for steroids. Sounds like they do wonders for the mind and disturbing behavioral patterns.
Would that be MORE of this roid rage yinz all want the "shhhh" policy continued for? I got your "shhh" right here! That's not the SAME kind of Family Building tactics we saw from the "We Are Family" crew. I actually LIKED those guys because they were far better role models.
Unfortunately, poor Mike Webster was competing with rats and raccons for meals out of trash cans but the lost mind had nothing to do with 15 years of steroid abuse right? Terry Long didn't wait that long - he purchased a gallon of Anti-freeze and chugged it. Don't shoot the mailman reporting your drug culture. You're so guilt ridden - you're naming your screen identity after your coping skills, which are also a depressant. Where's all the peace, serenity and jubilation for selling the souls Joey?
God bless ya! That type of imagination belongs in Disney where "once upon a time" never gets altered from the path of "they lived happily ever after." Unfortunately, your creativity never stopped 1 premature funeral from happening. Seems like I feel worse for your heroes than you're capable of.
- Tom F. (I don't think they need asterisks when SI is willing to provide the casket counts, America defined the Steelers as the poster boys of the steroids era, and 1 Steeler wrote about the shame/guilt of it all. We're all set!)
Ya thats all a bunch of Factual stuff. lol.... The Llyod and Bardshaw stuff was never Proven , why hash up stuff that the LAW rejected as BS ??? You do realize that people actually DO get accused of things they never Did... right. Or do you blindly believe EVERYTHING you read... HILARIOUS !!
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Ya thats all a bunch of Factual stuff. lol.... The Llyod and Bardshaw stuff was never Proven , why hash up stuff that the LAW rejected as BS ??? You do realize that people actually DO get accused of things they never Did... right. Or do you blindly believe EVERYTHING you read... HILARIOUS !!It sure is.
The Lloyd thing was in the newspaper. Somebody shared the article. Let me guess - the author was lying? God bless ya.
The Bradshaw info is hearsay from a family with lifetime season tickets to Steeler games. I got more than I needed to hear when I asked why the former Head Coach and most of Bradshaw's teammates hated his ass. I found it weird that the Pirates were the Champions everyone thought of as "We are Family" while alot of the Steelers that lived to tell about their rings aren't on speaking terms.
Why do I feel like that bad kid telling people that reindeer don't fly and a real fat can't squeeze into everybody's chimney?
- Tom F. (Repeat after me: False Glory is a True Story)
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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