Do juiced-up Steelers teams deserve asterisks?
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JosephSixpack said:
So by that measure, you should hate Jim Brown and totally reject anything the Browns achieved in the '50s right? I mean, Jimmy was getting hauled in for rage-fueled wifey abuse while Bradshaw was still up in his high chair eating his baby food.Just like Jim somehow managed to be 1) bigger than his guards that blocked for him, yet 2) faster than his wide receivers. Now how is that possible? Imagine if Frankenback had played for the Steelers, how you'd be all over him! You know, just like you completely glossed over the Van Pelt story, as if it never happened. Which proves again my point -- it's not about 'roids, it's about singling out the Steelers for some hypocritical bashing.
Again, why would you rag on the Steelers, or any other team, instead of the guys who actually STARTED the whole 'roids thing in the first place? Shouldn't you be directing your criticism at them now? Hmmm.
According to the Pittsburgh Steeler: "False Glory is a True story!" Hard to find better scoreboard than checkmate.
My advice: finish that 6 pack, get some well needed sleep and buy some more beer tomorrow Joey! I know you're depressed but if you kill enough brain cells drinking - you'll remain too confused to feel the emotional pain. If someone tells you they think you have a drinking problem - you just ask them "does it look like I'm having any trouble drinking?"
As you were...,
- Tom F. (And about that college basketball team: "Beware the Ides of March!")
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Ya thats all a bunch of Factual stuff. lol.... The Llyod and Bardshaw stuff was never Proven , why hash up stuff that the LAW rejected as BS ??? You do realize that people actually DO get accused of things they never Did... right. Or do you blindly believe EVERYTHING you read... HILARIOUS !!It sure is.
The Lloyd thing was in the newspaper. Somebody shared the article. Let me guess - the author was lying? God bless ya.
The Bradshaw info is hearsay from a family with lifetime season tickets to Steeler games. I got more than I needed to hear when I asked why the former Head Coach and most of Bradshaw's teammates hated his ass. I found it weird that the Pirates were the Champions everyone thought of as "We are Family" while alot of the Steelers that lived to tell about their rings aren't on speaking terms.
Why do I feel like that bad kid telling people that reindeer don't fly and a real fat can't squeeze into everybody's chimney?
- Tom F. (Repeat after me: False Glory is a True Story)
It sure is.
The Lloyd thing was in the newspaper. Somebody shared the article. Let me guess - the author was lying? God bless ya.
The Bradshaw info is hearsay from a family with lifetime season tickets to Steeler games. I got more than I needed to hear when I asked why the former Head Coach and most of Bradshaw's teammates hated his ass. I found it weird that the Pirates were the Champions everyone thought of as "We are Family" while alot of the Steelers that lived to tell about their rings aren't on speaking terms.
Why do I feel like that bad kid telling people that reindeer don't fly and a real fat can't squeeze into everybody's chimney?
- Tom F. (Repeat after me: False Glory is a True Story)
Lloyd was NOT convicted of anything .... the Bradshaw hearsay is BS....and I could care less HOW long someone had season tickets. A Lotta BS get tossed around that have No basis of truth. And the Steeler that dont get along....again BS. Go talk to Lynn Swann or Franco ...Mel Blount . Those guys speak ALL the time about the Closeness of that Team. Come on Flugel , we can fabricate ( or who ever "Gave' you this info can fabricate ) Whatever we want. Why talk about stuff that has no concrete evidence.
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No free pass: NFL caught in crosshairs of steroid expert's harsh, but compelling, new book
by Bill Livingston/Plain Dealer Columnist
Saturday February 28, 2009, 8:46 PM
CLEVELAND -- More grotesque creatures prowl NFL playing fields than were in the space bar on Tatooine in "Star Wars," and sportswriters concentrate on baseball?
The fact is that many of us didn't try, for a number of ostrich reasons, to winnow the rare, natural-wonder athlete from those created by Performance-Enhancing Drugs (PEDs) like steroids, human growth hormone (HGH), gammahydroxybutyrate (GHB) and insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1). The last pair are the hot new letters in the cheaters' alphabet.
Author Matt Chaney, once a player at an NCAA Division II program, Southeast Missouri State, details this in "Spiral of Denial -- Muscle Doping in American Football." One must go to the Web site to get it, because major publishing houses consider such an unglamorous treatment of sports to be a market loser, unless it is a Jose Canseco tell-all.
Chaney, whose work has been published in the New York Daily News and Kansas City Star, too often injects his own past as a steroid user in the book, but it is also part of its scope.
What results is an exhaustively researched, impressive survey of the "personal and institutional irresponsibility" in the Baby Boomer generation -- with liposuction, face lifts, breast implants and baldness cures off the field, with almost everyone trying to be Benjamin Button on it -- while the would-be whistle-blowers in the media are discouraged in so many areas of team access and fan response that they become partners of the NCAA and NFL in a don't ask, don't tell conspiracy of sinews.
Chaney dates the bigger-is-better approach to 1959 Heisman Trophy winner Billy Cannon at LSU. Cannon was a product of strength-training at Istrouma (La.) High School when that was thought to be harmful. His muscle guru, Alvin Roy, went on to have a long career as kind of the Johnny Appleseed of steroids in the NFL.
The 1970s Pittsburgh Steelers, Chaney charges, were the first to master the intricacies of doping, although steroid use had proliferated on other teams as a way to catch up.
He claims the drug underground was suspicious when NFL icon Walter Payton died at the age of 45 from a rare liver disease.
He correlates the Carolina Panthers' quick rise to the Super Bowl in this decade to a pattern of systematic doping.
The book's experts debunk the effectiveness of urinalysis in detecting PEDs use. In fact, they lay out the regimen of HGH and low-dose testosterone that fools testers.
Chaney's remarks about the national media bite. He calls Sports Illustrated's Peter King and ESPN's Merrill Hoge apologists for the NFL. Bob Costas of NBC and HBO and Paul Zimmerman of SI fare better.
Although Chaney advocates weight limits based on percentage of deviation from standard body mass indices, he sadly concludes that the genie can't be put back in the bottle. In a "gladiator" sport like college and pro football, fans want more power, speed and violence. With genetic manipulation, he worries that we will soon see athletic, 400-pound players whose body structure and organs cannot support such size.
Frankenstein's new monsters will make Barry Bonds look like a pixie. Then again, the old ones already have.
I can't recommend this book too highly.
My work is done here for now.
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The Steelroids need to put asterisks on their helmet in place of their gay logo as a homage to their extreme cheating in past and present times.
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The Steelroids need to put asterisks on their helmet in place of their gay logo as a homage to their extreme cheating in past and present times.
The Steelroids need to put asterisks on their helmet in place of their gay logo as a homage to their extreme cheating in past and present times.
Your KILLIN me LOL !!!
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The Steelroids need to put asterisks on their helmet in place of their gay logo as a homage to their extreme cheating in past and present times.
The Steelroids need to put asterisks on their helmet in place of their gay logo as a homage to their extreme cheating in past and present times.
THAT is a GREAT idea! Someone with the requisite Photo Shop skills needs to get on that.
Doug
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The Steelroids need to put asterisks on their helmet in place of their gay logo as a homage to their extreme cheating in past and present times.
THAT is a GREAT idea! Someone with the requisite Photo Shop skills needs to get on that.
Doug
THAT is a GREAT idea! Someone with the requisite Photo Shop skills needs to get on that.
Doug
Sounds like a job for Mr. T to me.
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JosephSixpack said:
Considering we've now got confirmed 'roid use in the '50s, I'd keep those asterisks in my back pocket for now. You never know when you might need some to put on a Browns helmet.Newsflash !!!!! My Coaches always told me...it aint Cheatin If you dont get CAUGHT !! Not to say its right , but that's How we were raised up. I remember Football Coaches showing holding tactics to O-linemen... geezz...My Basketball Coaches were wizards when it came to ways to gain an "Advantage". I am Just saying it is NO Surprise that Guys used "Supplements" to gain an edge too !!! Even in the 50`s...
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JosephSixpack said:
Considering we've now got confirmed 'roid use in the '50s, I'd keep those asterisks in my back pocket for now. You never know when you might need some to put on a Browns helmet.Newsflash !!!!! My Coaches always told me...it aint Cheatin If you dont get CAUGHT !! Not to say its right , but that's How we were raised up. I remember Football Coaches showing holding tactics to O-linemen... geezz...My Basketball Coaches were wizards when it came to ways to gain an "Advantage". I am Just saying it is NO Surprise that Guys used "Supplements" to gain an edge too !!! Even in the 50`s...
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Newsflash !!!!! My Coaches always told me...it aint Cheatin If you dont get CAUGHT !! Not to say its right , but that's How we were raised up. I remember Football Coaches showing holding tactics to O-linemen... geezz...My Basketball Coaches were wizards when it came to ways to gain an "Advantage". I am Just saying it is NO Surprise that Guys used "Supplements" to gain an edge too !!! Even in the 50`s... -
Zombo said:
Now you've got your team motto to go along with your new logo, the asterisk.Zombo
--Mrs. Freak has the same motto from what I hear...
Way to take it from out of Context. And Did you Play sports ? Tell me your coaches didnt show you things to get around the Rules of the Game ! So..again with Huge $$$$ Riding on Performance , we are surprised ? Come on man...
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How can the league even attempt to dimish the Steelers success when we didn't do anything that they forbidden?
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Why is this thread still alive? Is this the bitter bobby convention?
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Zombo said:
Yeah, I played football, basketball, baseball ... and remarkabley, not one coach asked if it was OK to take a syringe full of an illegal human growth hormone that would be detrimental to my long-term health and inject it in my ass so that I could be bigger and stronger than the other kids and inflict my will upon them.
Nope. Can't say that happened.
Zombo
Dude I agree with THAT...But we were taught to stretch and even Break rules. So move up to the Pros and $$$$$$ is large...I am just saying NO SURPRISE.
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@inspecta said:
It's actually still alive due to your boys who feel the need to play white knight after every post. They don't even realize they are being strung along. Not the brightest bunch out there on the net I can tell you thatMaybe we Like being strung along...what else we gonna do...Talk about the Pirates latest 5 yr. plan ??? I will watch baseball and roll my eyes into the back of my head. But I will watch.
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@inspecta said:
It's actually still alive due to your boys who feel the need to play white knight after every post. They don't even realize they are being strung along. Not the brightest bunch out there on the net I can tell you that
and the Steelroids will forever be remembered not for winning but for cheating.
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can we please stop talking about this. everyone is just repeating themselves. this has gone on long enough. it's put this thread to rest.
once a fan, always a fan. married to a steeler fan. aaaaaaaaah! --andy
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