DL Depth Issue
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i wish i knew why you would take a hands in the dirt DE and switch them to a LB who has to cover. i mean that's why you draft LBs.
makes no friggin sense to me.
i wish i knew why you would take a hands in the dirt DE and switch them to a LB who has to cover. i mean that's why you draft LBs.
makes no friggin sense to me.
I've told you specifically before
The pass rush in a 4-3 comes from the DEs; the pass rush in the 3-4 comes from the OLBs. Sheard/Kruger/Mingo are pass rushers, so in a 3-4, Sheard moves to OLB (and Mingo, who was a DE in college). -
i wish i knew why you would take a hands in the dirt DE and switch them to a LB who has to cover. i mean that's why you draft LBs.
makes no friggin sense to me.
I've told you specifically before
The pass rush in a 4-3 comes from the DEs; the pass rush in the 3-4 comes from the OLBs. Sheard/Kruger/Mingo are pass rushers, so in a 3-4, Sheard moves to OLB (and Mingo, who was a DE in college).I've told you specifically before
The pass rush in a 4-3 comes from the DEs; the pass rush in the 3-4 comes from the OLBs. Sheard/Kruger/Mingo are pass rushers, so in a 3-4, Sheard moves to OLB (and Mingo, who was a DE in college).i know chris and i appreciate it but in the 'new era' of the NFL there are no rules to define a O or D scheme.
we now have hybrids. why do you draft a QB? to play TE? no, correct? so why would you draft a DE to be a LB? and why as a supposed DC guru do you come to a new team as HC, look at the player's stats from last year, see their strengths and weaknesses and plug them into the negative?
just askin.
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I've told you specifically before
The pass rush in a 4-3 comes from the DEs; the pass rush in the 3-4 comes from the OLBs. Sheard/Kruger/Mingo are pass rushers, so in a 3-4, Sheard moves to OLB (and Mingo, who was a DE in college).i know chris and i appreciate it but in the 'new era' of the NFL there are no rules to define a O or D scheme.
we now have hybrids. why do you draft a QB? to play TE? no, correct? so why would you draft a DE to be a LB? and why as a supposed DC guru do you come to a new team as HC, look at the player's stats from last year, see their strengths and weaknesses and plug them into the negative?
just askin.
i know chris and i appreciate it but in the 'new era' of the NFL there are no rules to define a O or D scheme.
we now have hybrids. why do you draft a QB? to play TE? so why would you draft a DE to be a LB?
just askin.
And in the hybrid system, you'll see people classified as OLBs with their hand in the dirt at times as well.
Also, yeah, QBs get drafted all the time to play different positions -
Denard Robinson, Jags, RB
Marquis Gray, Browns/Vikings, TE/FB
Josh Cribbs, Browns, WR/PR/KR/Everything else
Joel Bitonio played LT in college and moved inside to guard - similar skillsets, but not exactly the same.
Jadeveon Clowney was a DE in college and is listed as a backer for the Texans, just because of their system, but he'll be rushing the passer more often than not.
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I understand why they've done it and all. And get that thats the way they do it now(current trend), but dont see it working.
Right now, I just see a bunch of "hybrid specialists" who keep getting caught out of position. And my old school way of thinking is they aren't "hybrid specialists", so much as they are incomplete players. So, if you bring in Mingo as a pass rusher and the other team audibles a run, then we get burnt. If Sheard is a DE type playing LB and he suddenly gets stuck covering a pass route, then we get burnt again. So, yes, I know a lot of players get converted for a lot of reasons. Im not not sure the Sheard switch is paying off. Thats all.
Im patient though(maybe too patient). I get it's a new system and only 7 games in. And the D is looking better the last couple weeks. Things may be coming together.
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We need starters on DL let elone depth, Taylor and Rubin suck
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I honestly wouldn't mind if we just turned sheard and kruger into 4-3 DE's. Hell I think they set the edge better with their hands in the dirt too. I think our LB'ers are more suited to the 4-3 imo. Every now and then we can still stand up Sheard and Kruger and have them drop back a little. But I really think we're better built for the 4-3, I agree with Mlk on this one. Put a couple pounds back on Kruger and let him go back to bullrushing tackles and see how his numbers pick up. When he was in Blt that's almost all he did. His hands were in the dirt probably 80% of his snaps. His run defense was terrible, but he's gotten a lot better at that. I think making Sheard and Kruger regular down lineman again would let us do some really creative shit with Mingo. Mingo could be the 3rd down edge specialist but could also take 1st and 2nd down reps as the 4-3 sam or will. Of course that's all predicated on him getting better at tackling in open space, what I saw last week was just awful how he whiffed on a TE bobbling the ball like juggling clown just waiting to be smashed. Infuriating. But....i'll give Mingo a pass this is his second scheme in as many years. He's basically a rookie all over again.
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We need starters on DL let elone depth, Taylor and Rubin suck
It's scheme. They were beasts in Hortons defense. Something is different that they just haven't adapted to. What I dunno..somebody really needs to all-22 some of these games.
We need starters on DL let elone depth, Taylor and Rubin suck
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It's scheme. They were beasts in Hortons defense. Something is different that they just haven't adapted to. What I dunno..somebody really needs to all-22 some of these games.
We need starters on DL let elone depth, Taylor and Rubin suck
What I dunno..somebody really needs to all-22 some of these games.
me either. let's hope the coaching staff knows cuz if not we'll be sitting at 5-11 or 6-10.
not a good improvement considering the talent we have.
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especially because sheard was such a beast last year playing in a different scheme. that's why i always bring up mingo and sheard when i talk about this defense. they should be pass rushing DEs period. a year wasted on these guys trying to fit their round pegs into a square hole type-of-thing really pisses me off and prob does them as well. one or both will walk when given the chance and turn into something great because of coaching staff just can't let these guys play.
i think a lot of DCs that would love to have some of these guys on their squad.
This has been my mantra on sheard all along......he was really good at DE.
As a DE in 2011-12 , he had 110 tackles and 15.5 sacks and was still improving.
But, since the switch to LB last year, he has only 62 tackles and 7.5 sacks and looks a bit lost
LB's should have a LOT more tackles than DE's, correct? The difference in production is huge.
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