***Official Browns @ Falcons Game Day Thread***
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Yea J, I get that, but I'm concerned most about his accuracy on plays with little to no pressure and an open receiver. Add in today's brain farts (especially the pic in the endzone, that was death penalty bad) and that's my concerns. I admire the guy, and am rooting for him, but he simply has to play much better for us to win the division.
As far as the pressure goes, I think he may still be adjusting to McDonald at C versus Mack . . . he has been getting hammered up the middle the last few games.
End Zone INT was bad, but as I observed in another thread Gordon wasn't looking and may have been off route, plus add in the rust factor between the two (hence two INT's Gordons way) and it becomes a lot more iffy.
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End Zone INT was bad, but as I observed in another thread Gordon wasn't looking and may have been off route, plus add in the rust factor between the two (hence two INT's Gordons way) and it becomes a lot more iffy.
I'll go one further, I blame Shanahan for not calling a run there. As I recall, it was 1st down and Crow just came into the game from getting a blow on the sideline. West had several good runs, the defense was tired and Crow was fresh....... R U N T H E B A L L !!
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Agree with you and USF, but I am bothered that today I saw for the first time, multiple mental errors from Brian. Not used to that...
The mental game is BH's lone edge over JM. That has been the "it" I have seen. If his mental game continues to wane, then change will come.
I'll be 100% honest T, I've been growing more concerned with Brian as the last few weeks have gone by. Not Stockton level, but my patience is beginning to grow thin. At first I blamed it on all of the injuries, but now I wonder aloud if it's not more of a "Brian now has film" issue, where the defense has a game plan now to take advantage of his tendencies? Just thinking out loud here.
I'll be 100% honest T, I've been growing more concerned with Brian as the last few weeks have gone by. Not Stockton level, but my patience is beginning to grow thin. At first I blamed it on all of the injuries, but now I wonder aloud if it's not more of a "Brian now has film" issue, where the defense has a game plan now to take advantage of his tendencies? Just thinking out loud here.
I feel your pain...
Still chalking up most of my reduced confidence to the lack of a running game... which feeds BH's true strength... PAP. But his footwork had also gone downhill. It seemed better today, but then so was the run game.
Anyway I see a lot more in my O-line sessions... looking forward to them this week.
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End Zone INT was bad, but as I observed in another thread Gordon wasn't looking and may have been off route, plus add in the rust factor between the two (hence two INT's Gordons way) and it becomes a lot more iffy.
I'll go one further, I blame Shanahan for not calling a run there. As I recall, it was 1st down and Crow just came into the game from getting a blow on the sideline. West had several good runs, the defense was tired and Crow was fresh....... R U N T H E B A L L !!
I'll go one further, I blame Shanahan for not calling a run there. As I recall, it was 1st down and Crow just came into the game from getting a blow on the sideline. West had several good runs, the defense was tired and Crow was fresh....... R U N T H E B A L L !!
Yeah, they had the run rhythm going there, should have probably pounded it in and ate some Clock as well . . . Shanny has a tendency to get a little too cute on play calling sometimes.
Overall, I think he's doing a pretty decent job as is Pettine, though Pettine had me questioning the failure to call a TO at the end of the 1st Half.
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End Zone INT was bad, but as I observed in another thread Gordon wasn't looking and may have been off route, plus add in the rust factor between the two (hence two INT's Gordons way) and it becomes a lot more iffy.
I'll go one further, I blame Shanahan for not calling a run there. As I recall, it was 1st down and Crow just came into the game from getting a blow on the sideline. West had several good runs, the defense was tired and Crow was fresh....... R U N T H E B A L L !!
I'll go one further, I blame Shanahan for not calling a run there. As I recall, it was 1st down and Crow just came into the game from getting a blow on the sideline. West had several good runs, the defense was tired and Crow was fresh....... R U N T H E B A L L !!
^^^ding ding ding!
we have a winner!
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A heart-attack game ending that should not have been. We'll all be dead by season's end at this rate lol.
Commentator's said they thought Gordon gave up on that end-zone pass. Was a HORRIBLE throw but I agree he coulda jumped for it.
Adding Gordon to the mix hasn't seemed to slow Hawkins effectiveness down. Austin about the same pre and post-Gordon, nothing special, but does come up with some key receptions here and there.
Gipson's injury looked bad. In replay slow, you could see his lower leg flop around like a noodle when he collided with Haden. At best a bad strain on his ACL/MCL?
You know if Atlanta had managed the clock at the end, Browns would've surely lost and we'd be here today saying they lost the game themselves. Atlanta did not outplay, Browns (and mostly Hoyer) really effed up and got lucky. Tour, I'll look to Pettine's "ugly win" comment now.
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I'll be 100% honest T, I've been growing more concerned with Brian as the last few weeks have gone by. Not Stockton level, but my patience is beginning to grow thin. At first I blamed it on all of the injuries, but now I wonder aloud if it's not more of a "Brian now has film" issue, where the defense has a game plan now to take advantage of his tendencies? Just thinking out loud here.
I feel your pain...
Still chalking up most of my reduced confidence to the lack of a running game... which feeds BH's true strength... PAP. But his footwork had also gone downhill. It seemed better today, but then so was the run game.
Anyway I see a lot more in my O-line sessions... looking forward to them this week.
I feel your pain...
Still chalking up most of my reduced confidence to the lack of a running game... which feeds BH's true strength... PAP. But his footwork had also gone downhill. It seemed better today, but then so was the run game.
Anyway I see a lot more in my O-line sessions... looking forward to them this week.
If so, then you too are doubled over feeling ill....
Reduced confidence?......my feelings exactly!
Looking fwd to the OL analysis too
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Browns win yesterday puts added emphasis on the Ravens - Saints game tonight.
Saints win tonight, and they're in first place in the NFC South.
Yeah, 5 - 6 as the Divisional leader, but until yesterday the Falcons were the Divisional leader at 4 - 6.
For Playoff purposes (imagine that) a Saints win tonight gives us a little more ground on the Ravens in the Division.
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Browns win yesterday puts added emphasis on the Ravens - Saints game tonight.
Saints win tonight, and they're in first place in the NFC South.
Yeah, 5 - 6 as the Divisional leader, but until yesterday the Falcons were the Divisional leader at 4 - 6.
For Playoff purposes (imagine that) a Saints win tonight gives us a little more ground on the Ravens in the Division.
Browns win yesterday puts added emphasis on the Ravens - Saints game tonight.
Saints win tonight, and they're in first place in the NFC South.
Yeah, 5 - 6 as the Divisional leader, but until yesterday the Falcons were the Divisional leader at 4 - 6.
For Playoff purposes (imagine that) a Saints win tonight gives us a little more ground on the Ravens in the Division.
If the Ravens win it will be the first time in NFL history that all teams of a single division were 3+ games above .500
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Browns win yesterday puts added emphasis on the Ravens - Saints game tonight.
Saints win tonight, and they're in first place in the NFC South.
Yeah, 5 - 6 as the Divisional leader, but until yesterday the Falcons were the Divisional leader at 4 - 6.
For Playoff purposes (imagine that) a Saints win tonight gives us a little more ground on the Ravens in the Division.
If the Ravens win it will be the first time in NFL history that all teams of a single division were 3+ games above .500
If the Ravens win it will be the first time in NFL history that all teams of a single division were 3+ games above .500
That speaks volumes about the toughness of our Division.
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Browns win yesterday puts added emphasis on the Ravens - Saints game tonight.
Saints win tonight, and they're in first place in the NFC South.
Yeah, 5 - 6 as the Divisional leader, but until yesterday the Falcons were the Divisional leader at 4 - 6.
For Playoff purposes (imagine that) a Saints win tonight gives us a little more ground on the Ravens in the Division.
If the Ravens win it will be the first time in NFL history that all teams of a single division were 3+ games above .500
If the Ravens win it will be the first time in NFL history that all teams of a single division were 3+ games above .500
It just frikin figures the one year the Browns start to put it all together is the one where we are playing in possibly the best division play in NFL history. I wouldn't be surprised this year if a 10-6 team is out of the playoffs (where have we seen that before?)
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If the Ravens win it will be the first time in NFL history that all teams of a single division were 3+ games above .500
It just frikin figures the one year the Browns start to put it all together is the one where we are playing in possibly the best division play in NFL history. I wouldn't be surprised this year if a 10-6 team is out of the playoffs (where have we seen that before?)
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If the Ravens win it will be the first time in NFL history that all teams of a single division were 3+ games above .500
That speaks volumes about the toughness of our Division.
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I've looked at the Interception in the end zone play numerous times and I can't explain how he was called in-bounds. Transmit clearly comes down on one foot and then the hip hits out of bounds before the second foot comes down. What am I missing (a pair of glasses perhaps?)
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I was reading an article about the last play before the half. Joel Bits season saving tackle on Hester. Thinking back they kicked it once and Hester caught it but the falcons called time out. So the play had to be run again. I had a couple questions maybe someone could help me out with.
1. Did anyone ask pettine why they had cundiff kick it again? It seemed obvious it wasn't gonna come close, and why give the best return man ever a chance against a bunch of o linemen?
2. If anyone recorded the game I seem the remember after the first kick pettine and cundiff were talking, the conversations seemed to be pettine asking cundiff if he had the leg strength to at least not give Hester a chance at a return, and cundiff seemed to be sure he did. Can anyone go back and see if that's what they were actually talking about? I know I'm asking a lot, you must have recorded the game, and be able to read lips, but who knows.
3. Is cundiff's leg really too weak to even get it past the endzone on a 55? Yd fg?
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I was reading an article about the last play before the half. Joel Bits season saving tackle on Hester. Thinking back they kicked it once and Hester caught it but the falcons called time out. So the play had to be run again. I had a couple questions maybe someone could help me out with.
1. Did anyone ask pettine why they had cundiff kick it again? It seemed obvious it wasn't gonna come close, and why give the best return man ever a chance against a bunch of o linemen?
2. If anyone recorded the game I seem the remember after the first kick pettine and cundiff were talking, the conversations seemed to be pettine asking cundiff if he had the leg strength to at least not give Hester a chance at a return, and cundiff seemed to be sure he did. Can anyone go back and see if that's what they were actually talking about? I know I'm asking a lot, you must have recorded the game, and be able to read lips, but who knows.
3. Is cundiff's leg really too weak to even get it past the endzone on a 55? Yd fg?
I was reading an article about the last play before the half. Joel Bits season saving tackle on Hester. Thinking back they kicked it once and Hester caught it but the falcons called time out. So the play had to be run again. I had a couple questions maybe someone could help me out with.
1. Did anyone ask pettine why they had cundiff kick it again? It seemed obvious it wasn't gonna come close, and why give the best return man ever a chance against a bunch of o linemen?
2. If anyone recorded the game I seem the remember after the first kick pettine and cundiff were talking, the conversations seemed to be pettine asking cundiff if he had the leg strength to at least not give Hester a chance at a return, and cundiff seemed to be sure he did. Can anyone go back and see if that's what they were actually talking about? I know I'm asking a lot, you must have recorded the game, and be able to read lips, but who knows.
3. Is cundiff's leg really too weak to even get it past the endzone on a 55? Yd fg?
Cundiff has been awful 50+ over his career. I didn't expect him to make it from 60, but I didn't expect him to be as short as he was.
He told Pettine he pulled up because he heard the timeout though.
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I was reading an article about the last play before the half. Joel Bits season saving tackle on Hester. Thinking back they kicked it once and Hester caught it but the falcons called time out. So the play had to be run again. I had a couple questions maybe someone could help me out with.
1. Did anyone ask pettine why they had cundiff kick it again? It seemed obvious it wasn't gonna come close, and why give the best return man ever a chance against a bunch of o linemen?
2. If anyone recorded the game I seem the remember after the first kick pettine and cundiff were talking, the conversations seemed to be pettine asking cundiff if he had the leg strength to at least not give Hester a chance at a return, and cundiff seemed to be sure he did. Can anyone go back and see if that's what they were actually talking about? I know I'm asking a lot, you must have recorded the game, and be able to read lips, but who knows.
3. Is cundiff's leg really too weak to even get it past the endzone on a 55? Yd fg?
Cundiff has been awful 50+ over his career. I didn't expect him to make it from 60, but I didn't expect him to be as short as he was.
He told Pettine he pulled up because he heard the timeout though.
Cundiff has been awful 50+ over his career. I didn't expect him to make it from 60, but I didn't expect him to be as short as he was.
He told Pettine he pulled up because he heard the timeout though.
And from what I read, Cundiff said he could make it. While I admire his confidence and the confidence then that Pettine shows in his players...it was a pretty lame decision that almost cost us.
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What made me the angriest about letting Billy kick that, was we were lucky enough to get a glimpse into the future, and anyone that saw that kick should've known what the next kick was going to look like, as well as how ATL was going to defense it. With Billy's long FG success history, combined with the practice kick result, there was only one right decision, and it was a jump ball in the endzone.
(of course all of the above would've been moot, had we of simply handled the TOs correctly)
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When we saw Hester back in the endzone, perhaps a trick play should have been called, especially after the timeout? At least, split someone out wide, make them think twice about it all.
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I give Pettine credit for stepping up and taking the criticism like a man....as he usually does.
Admitted the mistake(first step).....said he learned from it(second step)......and said it wont happen again(third step)...
Unlike most coaches who stubbornly defend their bad decisions, at least Pettine is secure enough to man up.
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