... and Kubiak is going to Denver

[Westside Steve]

I wasn't even thinking of Vinny. Just some of the arguments you make about ready be more important than the head coach and there for the rest of the team.

I do take the position that its the team first. But this particular conversation just has to do with what mud said about hiring coaches or players because of their association with a winning program. It would be like hiring Bill Wyman to play base and wondering why your band isn't as popular as the Rolling Stones.

WSS

[The Gipper]

@westside-steve said:

I wasn't even thinking of Vinny. Just some of the arguments you make about ready be more important than the head coach and there for the rest of the team.

I do take the position that its the team first. But this particular conversation just has to do with what mud said about hiring coaches or players because of their association with a winning program. It would be like hiring Bill Wyman to play base and wondering why your band isn't as popular as the Rolling Stones.

WSS

I guess a good comparison could be Paul Brown and Otto Graham. Paul Brown.....a genius no doubt......but what did he do when he didn't have OG at QB? First 10 years.....10 Championship game appearances, 7 wins. Next 7 years....2 playoff appearances, no wins.

[The Cysko Kid]

Hire fuckin' Bernie kosar and be done with it

[gumby73]

Believeland-- Go ahead Elway and Kubiak tell Peyton he's done. Manning's come's to C-Town and he is his own OC so we really don't need one. He can bring Case as a Advisor, and oh shit typing in my sleep again, so sorry

[Westside Steve]

@the-cysko-kid said:

Hire fuckin' Bernie kosar and be done with it

So what exactly would Bernie's role be?

WSS

[miktoxic]

bartender.

we all need a good one.

[The Cysko Kid]

@westside-steve said:

So what exactly would Bernie's role be?

WSS

O.c. why not? Cause he drinks? Dude understands defenses. So what if he hasn't coached?

[The Cysko Kid]

Or qb coach

[Westside Steve]

@the-cysko-kid said:

O.c. why not? Cause he drinks? Dude understands defenses. So what if he hasn't coached?

Well that's a hell of a question. I would imagine it's because only Cleveland Browns fans think he's a genius.

WSS

[nickers]

Get a great QB and a solid Oline.. Everything else falls in place