2015 - FA / Draft / Notes
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This should probably be in the Crazy Mariota trade speculation thread, but I'm posting it here as I've been running short on follow time lately, plus it fits in with a few things I posted several weeks back :
Sam Bradford believes Eagles could still trade him, per report
Earlier this week, Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk reported that the Eagles and Sam Bradford have yet to discuss a contract extension to keep the veteran quarterback in Philadelphia. This inaction has caused some to speculate that the Eagles could trade Bradford in a potential 2015 NFL Draft deal that would help them land Oregon Ducks quarterback Marcus Mariota.
According to Jason Cole, Bradford himself believes he might be on the move. Via Bleacher Report:"Contract talks between Sam Bradford and the Philadelphia Eagles have been basically non-existent so far for a very good reason. In talking to sources around the league and close to Bradford, basically what’s happened is Bradford is not willing to accept a substandard deal based on the injuries that he’s suffered the past two years and have kept him off the field.
The reason is really obvious: he has a lot of money left in the bank from that $50 million signing bonus he got being the No. 1 overall pick in 2010.
However, if you go on the other side of this, Bradford wants to play this out and see what his real value is out on the market and assuming that he can get back to the levels that he showed during the early part of the 2013 season.
In addition to all of that, Bradford doesn’t know where he’s going to be. Yes, he believes the Eagles are going to keep him at this point in time, trust them, but only so far because the [2015 NFL Draft] has not played out. So he believes there is still a possibility that he could be traded somewhere else. And if that’s the case, he wants to wait to see whether that’s a team he ultimately wants to stay with long-term."It makes sense that Bradford is in no rush to redo his deal. The oft-injured passer is scheduled to make over $13 million in 2015 and has made a lot of money to this point. He can wait to see how he performs in the 2015 season.
The Eagles might be a little more eager than Bradford to get a deal done if they think they can get him at a reasonable price. But they likely won't be in a rush to hand a big extension to a player with Bradford's injury concerns without seeing him play in Philadelphia first.
Meanwhile, the Mariota factor looms large in all of this. The Eagles really aren't going to be in a rush to sign Bradford if he's not in the long-term plans and they believe they can flip him to get Mariota. The Browns are believed to be one team interested in Bradford, but Cleveland is concerned he won't sign an extension. A report in February indicated some teams at the top of this year's draft order actually prefer Bradford to Jameis Winston and Mariota.
If the Eagles don't get Mariota, however, it'll be interesting to see how they handle Bradford's situation.
Draft is less than a week away, could be an interesting one this year if I get to watch it.
There's also still talk that Rivers could go the Tenn for #2.
Heck, I've even heard we could land Rivers (too old for my liking).
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This should probably be in the Crazy Mariota trade speculation thread, but I'm posting it here as I've been running short on follow time lately, plus it fits in with a few things I posted several weeks back :
Sam Bradford believes Eagles could still trade him, per report
Earlier this week, Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk reported that the Eagles and Sam Bradford have yet to discuss a contract extension to keep the veteran quarterback in Philadelphia. This inaction has caused some to speculate that the Eagles could trade Bradford in a potential 2015 NFL Draft deal that would help them land Oregon Ducks quarterback Marcus Mariota.
According to Jason Cole, Bradford himself believes he might be on the move. Via Bleacher Report:"Contract talks between Sam Bradford and the Philadelphia Eagles have been basically non-existent so far for a very good reason. In talking to sources around the league and close to Bradford, basically what’s happened is Bradford is not willing to accept a substandard deal based on the injuries that he’s suffered the past two years and have kept him off the field.
The reason is really obvious: he has a lot of money left in the bank from that $50 million signing bonus he got being the No. 1 overall pick in 2010.
However, if you go on the other side of this, Bradford wants to play this out and see what his real value is out on the market and assuming that he can get back to the levels that he showed during the early part of the 2013 season.
In addition to all of that, Bradford doesn’t know where he’s going to be. Yes, he believes the Eagles are going to keep him at this point in time, trust them, but only so far because the [2015 NFL Draft] has not played out. So he believes there is still a possibility that he could be traded somewhere else. And if that’s the case, he wants to wait to see whether that’s a team he ultimately wants to stay with long-term."It makes sense that Bradford is in no rush to redo his deal. The oft-injured passer is scheduled to make over $13 million in 2015 and has made a lot of money to this point. He can wait to see how he performs in the 2015 season.
The Eagles might be a little more eager than Bradford to get a deal done if they think they can get him at a reasonable price. But they likely won't be in a rush to hand a big extension to a player with Bradford's injury concerns without seeing him play in Philadelphia first.
Meanwhile, the Mariota factor looms large in all of this. The Eagles really aren't going to be in a rush to sign Bradford if he's not in the long-term plans and they believe they can flip him to get Mariota. The Browns are believed to be one team interested in Bradford, but Cleveland is concerned he won't sign an extension. A report in February indicated some teams at the top of this year's draft order actually prefer Bradford to Jameis Winston and Mariota.
If the Eagles don't get Mariota, however, it'll be interesting to see how they handle Bradford's situation.
Draft is less than a week away, could be an interesting one this year if I get to watch it.
There's also still talk that Rivers could go the Tenn for #2.
Heck, I've even heard we could land Rivers (too old for my liking).
This should probably be in the Crazy Mariota trade speculation thread, but I'm posting it here as I've been running short on follow time lately, plus it fits in with a few things I posted several weeks back :
I posted in the crazy trade thread .........injury concerns would make this move crazy
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Please god no Bradford. He probably blew his knee out during that interview.
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seriously....enough with the Bradford crap......
To put it in perspective......with his track record the last 3 years, where would he go in this years draft......???? hmmm?
No where NEAR the first round.....talk about question marks......2 surgeries and then add that you only get 1 year and he's a FA?
So.......Who in their right mind would make that pick?????
So....who in their right mind would trade 19?......(its the same thing)
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Some more info along the Mariota lines :
Eagles chase for Mariota might not be over
As the Eagles made one bold move after another this offseason, it seemed Philadelphia coach Chip Kelly was inching closer to a trade for his former Oregon protege Marcus Mariota. After the Eagles traded Nick Foles for Sam Bradford, that vision got murkier, and perhaps it seemed Kelly would go into 2015 counting on Bradford to stay healthy and run the Eagles high-octane offense. Kelly said as much, even suggesting the Eagles received trade offers for Bradford but the team wasn't interested.
Well, now it seems that may have all been a front, as some thought all along. NJ.com is reporting the possibility of a three-way trade that would send Bradford to Cleveland, allowing the Eagles to collect more picks that would be shipped to Tennessee in exchange for the second overall pick. At No. 2, the Eagles could take Mariota, reuniting the Oregon coach and QB.
Surely this three-way trade requires a lot to happen, but it also makes sense. In addition to Bradford, the Eagles would give up Mychal Kendricks and Fletcher Cox. It's a lot, but if Kelly believes Mariota is the player he needs to run his offense, it could be worth it for Philly.
If this trade was to happen, and that's a big if, it would likely be on hold until Tampa Bay makes their pick with the first overall selection. If the Bucs take Jameis Winston, the door would be wide open for the Eagles to move up and nab Mariota. If Tampa selected Mariota, this whole thing falls apart. Mariota to the Bucs is an unlikely possibility, but nothing is final until next Thursday night.
Assuming the Titans are indeed happy with Zach Mettenberger as QB, Tennessee would be doing well in this trade. The Titans would get two defensive starters in Cox and Kendricks, and the opportunity to add two more impact players with the 19th and 20th overall picks. And the Browns? They would get a quarterback, a position of need in Cleveland ever since the team came back from extinction.
UPDATE: Famed radio talker Mike Francesa suggests not only are the Eagles very much in the hunt for Mariota, but any trade with Cleveland would also send Johnny Manziel to Philly. Chip Kelly, Marcus Mariota and Johnny Football? The Internet might not survive.
Will the Eagles make the move for Mariota? Let us know what you think in the comments.
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seriously....enough with the Bradford crap......
To put it in perspective......with his track record the last 3 years, where would he go in this years draft......???? hmmm?
No where NEAR the first round.....talk about question marks......2 surgeries and then add that you only get 1 year and he's a FA?
So.......Who in their right mind would make that pick?????
So....who in their right mind would trade 19?......(its the same thing)
seriously....enough with the Bradford crap......
To put it in perspective......with his track record the last 3 years, where would he go in this years draft......???? hmmm?
No where NEAR the first round.....talk about question marks......2 surgeries and then add that you only get 1 year and he's a FA?
So.......Who in their right mind would make that pick?????
So....who in their right mind would trade 19?......(its the same thing)
Who in their right mind would make that pick or trade .....
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seriously....enough with the Bradford crap......
To put it in perspective......with his track record the last 3 years, where would he go in this years draft......???? hmmm?
No where NEAR the first round.....talk about question marks......2 surgeries and then add that you only get 1 year and he's a FA?
So.......Who in their right mind would make that pick?????
So....who in their right mind would trade 19?......(its the same thing)
seriously....enough with the Bradford crap......
To put it in perspective......with his track record the last 3 years, where would he go in this years draft......???? hmmm?
No where NEAR the first round.....talk about question marks......2 surgeries and then add that you only get 1 year and he's a FA?
So.......Who in their right mind would make that pick?????
So....who in their right mind would trade 19?......(its the same thing)
Not crazy about Bradford myself, but don't miss this line near the bottom of that Article :
. . . A report in February indicated some teams at the top of this year's draft order actually prefer Bradford to Jameis Winston and Mariota.
Pretty much speaks to the thinness of the QB class this year.
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Watching Eddie Goldman out of FSU right now for the 2nd time. I just... no. No, thank you.
He's a pure 2 down player. He was asked to 2 gap quite a bit at FSU so clearly he's comfortable with that. Handles a double team ok though rarely if ever fights through and off the contact.
Offers ZERO pass rush ability outside of the occasional bull rush. When said bull rush isn't effective the center routinely controls him. Nothing like what I've seen from Shelton, Brown & Davis. Truly hoping the Browns don't invest a first round pick in this kid should all other of "their" top options be gone.
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tia, how big is the drop from Shelton to Brown and then Brown to Davis? Both in terms of run D and pass rush?
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tia, how big is the drop from Shelton to Brown and then Brown to Davis? Both in terms of run D and pass rush?
tia, how big is the drop from Shelton to Brown and then Brown to Davis? Both in terms of run D and pass rush?
That's a question I've been asking myself. I don't believe the drop from Shelton to Brown is as severe as the drop from Brown to Davis/Goldman/Jarrett.
Although there are things in Malcolm's game that concern me. His motor to fight through a blocker when his initial pass rush move or first step is made I find lacking. The bull rush is great but not as elite as Danny's ability to consistently walk the center or guard backward. Laterally they're similar, I just see Shelton being a tad more impressive carrying another 20lbs.
Davis of Iowa I mention on pure potential. He needs a good strength and conditioning program for a full offseason. He's good at tying up blockers but his quick feet and one gap potential make him one of those plus size monsters that are told to get into the backfield. The Hawkeyes aren't really creative with him, its hard to get a gauge on what he could do in this defense because he's consistently in the same spot on Iowa's 4 man front. With Danny, they've put him just about everywhere on the line. 0, 1i,3 and 5tech.
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tia, how big is the drop from Shelton to Brown and then Brown to Davis? Both in terms of run D and pass rush?
That's a question I've been asking myself. I don't believe the drop from Shelton to Brown is as severe as the drop from Brown to Davis/Goldman/Jarrett.
Although there are things in Malcolm's game that concern me. His motor to fight through a blocker when his initial pass rush move or first step is made I find lacking. The bull rush is great but not as elite as Danny's ability to consistently walk the center or guard backward. Laterally they're similar, I just see Shelton being a tad more impressive carrying another 20lbs.
Davis of Iowa I mention on pure potential. He needs a good strength and conditioning program for a full offseason. He's good at tying up blockers but his quick feet and one gap potential make him one of those plus size monsters that are told to get into the backfield. The Hawkeyes aren't really creative with him, its hard to get a gauge on what he could do in this defense because he's consistently in the same spot on Iowa's 4 man front. With Danny, they've put him just about everywhere on the line. 0, 1i,3 and 5tech.
That's a question I've been asking myself. I don't believe the drop from Shelton to Brown is as severe as the drop from Brown to Davis/Goldman/Jarrett.
Good rundown there......and Id add that if we're talking NT, then Jarrett has got to be in the discussion right after Brown......he's a big drop off for sure, but more pure NT than those other 2......
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I'm getting a bit perturbed about the upcoming Draft this Thursday, some crazy rumored moves that we just don't need to do with all the holes we have :
The warmup :
NFL Update @MySportsUpdate · Apr 25 Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie said he's had discussions about trading the 4th overall pick in Thursday's draft.
The Brown's aspect :
NFL Update @MySportsUpdate · 20h 20 hours ago Raiders & Browns have discussed a trade which sends the 4th pick to CLE in exchange for the 12th & 19th pick. More pieces would be involved.
Could the Browns possibly be targeted a WR ? :
NFL Update @MySportsUpdate · Apr 24 Amari Cooper visited every team in the top 10 except for the... Oakland Raiders.
EDIT :
A bit more thought on the possible trade with the Raiders . . . if we get their #1 next year in the deal, then I'm okay with it as it would give us the ammo to go after Cardale Jones.
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I'm getting a bit perturbed about the upcoming Draft this Thursday, some crazy rumored moves that we just don't need to do with all the holes we have :
The warmup :
NFL Update @MySportsUpdate · Apr 25 Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie said he's had discussions about trading the 4th overall pick in Thursday's draft.
The Brown's aspect :
NFL Update @MySportsUpdate · 20h 20 hours ago Raiders & Browns have discussed a trade which sends the 4th pick to CLE in exchange for the 12th & 19th pick. More pieces would be involved.
Could the Browns possibly be targeted a WR ? :
NFL Update @MySportsUpdate · Apr 24 Amari Cooper visited every team in the top 10 except for the... Oakland Raiders.
EDIT :
A bit more thought on the possible trade with the Raiders . . . if we get their #1 next year in the deal, then I'm okay with it as it would give us the ammo to go after Cardale Jones.
I'm getting a bit perturbed about the upcoming Draft this Thursday, some crazy rumored moves that we just don't need to do with all the holes we have :
The warmup :
The Brown's aspect :
Could the Browns possibly be targeted a WR ? :
EDIT :
A bit more thought on the possible trade with the Raiders . . . if we get their #1 next year in the deal, then I'm okay with it as it would give us the ammo to go after Cardale Jones.
I think if we're moving up to #4, we're probably looking at Mariota - assuming he falls past Tennessee. I definitely don't think we'd trade up for a WR.
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I'm getting a bit perturbed about the upcoming Draft this Thursday, some crazy rumored moves that we just don't need to do with all the holes we have :
The warmup :
The Brown's aspect :
Could the Browns possibly be targeted a WR ? :
EDIT :
A bit more thought on the possible trade with the Raiders . . . if we get their #1 next year in the deal, then I'm okay with it as it would give us the ammo to go after Cardale Jones.
I think if we're moving up to #4, we're probably looking at Mariota - assuming he falls past Tennessee. I definitely don't think we'd trade up for a WR.
I think if we're moving up to #4, we're probably looking at Mariota - assuming he falls past Tennessee. I definitely don't think we'd trade up for a WR.
What about Leonard?..... or Beasley?....or Fowler at #4?.....Personally, they're who I would go after if I was at 4.....
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Or possibly Leonard Williams, my 'pet' trade idea. If it goes Winston/Mariota/Fowler, I could see it happening.
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Mud, same page, stop it
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If we get #4, damn well better be for Leonard or Shelton. All of the goodwill I have towards farmer for bringing in successful free agents, damn good draft picks (mainly starting with Bito) and UDFA's will go right to hell, very fast - should we trade up and take Mariota.
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I'm getting a bit perturbed about the upcoming Draft this Thursday, some crazy rumored moves that we just don't need to do with all the holes we have :
The warmup :
NFL Update @MySportsUpdate · Apr 25 Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie said he's had discussions about trading the 4th overall pick in Thursday's draft.
The Brown's aspect :
NFL Update @MySportsUpdate · 20h 20 hours ago Raiders & Browns have discussed a trade which sends the 4th pick to CLE in exchange for the 12th & 19th pick. More pieces would be involved.
Could the Browns possibly be targeted a WR ? :
NFL Update @MySportsUpdate · Apr 24 Amari Cooper visited every team in the top 10 except for the... Oakland Raiders.
EDIT :
A bit more thought on the possible trade with the Raiders . . . if we get their #1 next year in the deal, then I'm okay with it as it would give us the ammo to go after Cardale Jones.
If actually true, I doubt it's as much about a particular player as it is due diligence around various scenarios. That said, the value of that 4th pick is going to change with who "falls" to #4 and who wants that player... something we benefitted from last year.
A bit more thought on the possible trade with the Raiders . . . if we get their #1 next year in the deal, then I'm okay with it as it would give us the ammo to go after Cardale Jones.
Initially I thought their 2015 #2 to be a better possibility (especially if we chip in our 3rd or a player), but they might consider their 2016 #1, if they believe their record is going to improve considerably.
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