Gordon Fails Again
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Josh is an addict and needs to seek counseling and professional help.
This is more sad than anything.
Then again, he fucked his teammates and this fanbase royally with his addiction.
I really hope they cut him to show an example that behavior won't be tolerated, and yes, that includes the bullshit Manziel has been doing.
Labelling Flash an addict is a bit much. He's probably not the sharpest tool in the shed, but is escapades to date don't resemble those of an addicts. No one gets addicted to weed. While an addict might use weed, they normally are searching for something stronger. And as for alcoholism, Flash seems to have made extremely poor decisions with the use of alcohol. Who hasn't?
Labelling Flash an addict is a bit much. He's probably not the sharpest tool in the shed, but is escapades to date don't resemble those of an addicts. No one gets addicted to weed. While an addict might use weed, they normally are searching for something stronger. And as for alcoholism, Flash seems to have made extremely poor decisions with the use of alcohol. Who hasn't?
You dont have to be addicted to a specific thing to be considered an addict.......addictive behavior is as dangerous(and destructive) as being a drug addict, yet it is a totally different thing.....
So, no one is saying he's a drug addict......but he CLEARLY displays addictive behavior.....
Bottom line.....if there is a negative behavior that prevents you from functioning in a normal environment or performing routine duties(like your job, for instance)....and you are unable to control that behavior.....and you are unable to stop that behavior.....then you're displaying the behavior of an addict.....
People are addicted to all types of things that are not inherently addictive......sex, stealing, lying, cheating, drinking, smoking, eating, etc....if it's destructive and you cant stop.....then, by definition, it's an addiction.....
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I have agreed previously on the lack of evidence supporting addiction.
Knowing that Josh has averaged over two tests per week for over a year, I believed that an "addict" does not pass 100+ tests.
But now I don't know...
Codeine... weed... alcohol... different substances, but same pattern? Addictive personality?
Agree on the NFL being out of step with this policy, but the trigger level (0.06%) is far from a one beer BAL. This is not close to the travesty that was the failed weed test. Josh worked at this fail. He rolled the dice and they came up craps.
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Rules are rules, even if stupid. He knew what the rules were and what would happen if he was caught. Sucks to have to stay away from a legal substance like alcohol, but if you had a DUI and that's your employer's rules, you follow them or pay the consequences. You can fight to have them changed too, but this isn't the way to do it.
Goodbye Josh. You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.
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Yeah?Can this be fairly said:
That the NFL rules are completely Draconian and out of whack such that a guy that tokes a teeny tiny bit of dope, and maybe has a beer has to lose his career for two years.
And don't fucking tell me "its the rules". I interpret and enforce rules and laws all the time.
Should such rules be so out of whack with basic human justice?
I mean, what is this: The Terror.....and who is Gordon? Fucking Jean Valjean?
Well I guess if you caught somebody driving his car after a couple beers its ok to take his livelihood away, right? Let us not pretend that the legal limit is that big a deal okay? We realize it's a revenue tactic. Seems kind of draconian to me.
WSS
Yeah?
Well I guess if you caught somebody driving his car after a couple beers its ok to take his livelihood away, right? Let us not pretend that the legal limit is that big a deal okay? We realize it's a revenue tactic. Seems kind of draconian to me.
WSS
that was well put. I too usually don't give a shit about a little weed or whatever, but if you're under DUI probation than I have zero sympathy. He obviously showed up to work in Berea and somebody was like that dude looks hungover. And this was during the season. No understanding from me whatsoever.
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I would say failing numerous drug test yes your a addict!
I do not get all this poor josh he is being done so wrong crap. He screwed himself nobody else did- he screwed his fellow players and the fan base i have no sympathy for him.
Now i see a report he is confused may not have known what he was doing was a violation all i can say is LMAOOOOO yeah right.
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Hell, Walmart and Target drug test employees. What do they make? Guess what, if they pop, they're gone.
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The rules that Gordon were under for drinking alcohol are not ones for most NFL players. These rules against alcohol are reserved for those like Gordon who get convicted of DUI offenses. It all comes back to individual responsibility.
The rules that Gordon were under for drinking alcohol are not ones for most NFL players. These rules against alcohol are reserved for those like Gordon who get convicted of DUI offenses. It all comes back to individual responsibility.
Very well stated. As one who had a very good friend killed by a drunk, I have no sympathy for someone who got a DUI and continues to drink. Sorry but that went to the grave with my friend.
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Can this be fairly said:
That the NFL rules are completely Draconian and out of whack such that a guy that tokes a teeny tiny bit of dope, and maybe has a beer has to lose his career for two years.
And don't fucking tell me "its the rules". I interpret and enforce rules and laws all the time.
Should such rules be so out of whack with basic human justice?
I mean, what is this: The Terror.....and who is Gordon? Fucking Jean Valjean?
Can this be fairly said:
That the NFL rules are completely Draconian and out of whack such that a guy that tokes a teeny tiny bit of dope, and maybe has a beer has to lose his career for two years.
And don't fucking tell me "its the rules". I interpret and enforce rules and laws all the time.
Should such rules be so out of whack with basic human justice?
I mean, what is this: The Terror.....and who is Gordon? Fucking Jean Valjean?
Then don't sign a contract. It's that simple. Nobody was forcing him to play in the NFL.
He can have a perfectly good career at Target, or Walmart, or Best Buy where they don't have a drug test policy...oh, wait.
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Can this be fairly said:
That the NFL rules are completely Draconian and out of whack such that a guy that tokes a teeny tiny bit of dope, and maybe has a beer has to lose his career for two years.
And don't fucking tell me "its the rules". I interpret and enforce rules and laws all the time.
Should such rules be so out of whack with basic human justice?
I mean, what is this: The Terror.....and who is Gordon? Fucking Jean Valjean?
Then don't sign a contract. It's that simple. Nobody was forcing him to play in the NFL.
He can have a perfectly good career at Target, or Walmart, or Best Buy where they don't have a drug test policy...oh, wait.
Then don't sign a contract. It's that simple. Nobody was forcing him to play in the NFL.
He can have a perfectly good career at Target, or Walmart, or Best Buy where they don't have a drug test policy...oh, wait.
Exactly! I mean really how many of us chose our careers and no weed over flipping burgers? Most I would say and we follow the rules
This asshole didn't just let his self down but his team mates and the fans. I think he should have to come on the field for the home opener just to hear the boos and see the signs.
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Yeah?
Well I guess if you caught somebody driving his car after a couple beers its ok to take his livelihood away, right? Let us not pretend that the legal limit is that big a deal okay? We realize it's a revenue tactic. Seems kind of draconian to me.
WSS
that was well put. I too usually don't give a shit about a little weed or whatever, but if you're under DUI probation than I have zero sympathy. He obviously showed up to work in Berea and somebody was like that dude looks hungover. And this was during the season. No understanding from me whatsoever.
that was well put. I too usually don't give a shit about a little weed or whatever, but if you're under DUI probation than I have zero sympathy. He obviously showed up to work in Berea and somebody was like that dude looks hungover. And this was during the season. No understanding from me whatsoever.
So he came to practice drunk?
That's pretty bold.
WSS
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Yeah?
Well I guess if you caught somebody driving his car after a couple beers its ok to take his livelihood away, right? Let us not pretend that the legal limit is that big a deal okay? We realize it's a revenue tactic. Seems kind of draconian to me.
WSS
that was well put. I too usually don't give a shit about a little weed or whatever, but if you're under DUI probation than I have zero sympathy. He obviously showed up to work in Berea and somebody was like that dude looks hungover. And this was during the season. No understanding from me whatsoever.
that was well put. I too usually don't give a shit about a little weed or whatever, but if you're under DUI probation than I have zero sympathy. He obviously showed up to work in Berea and somebody was like that dude looks hungover. And this was during the season. No understanding from me whatsoever.
Not true. He was under a random test protocol and the test he failed was after the season.
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that was well put. I too usually don't give a shit about a little weed or whatever, but if you're under DUI probation than I have zero sympathy. He obviously showed up to work in Berea and somebody was like that dude looks hungover. And this was during the season. No understanding from me whatsoever.
Not true. He was under a random test protocol and the test he failed was after the season.
Not true. He was under a random test protocol and the test he failed was after the season.
"Random" for Josh has meant "2 or 3 times this week" for a long time now...
I would say failing numerous drug test yes your a addict!
... and passing 100 times more says?
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Not true. He was under a random test protocol and the test he failed was after the season.
"Random" for Josh has meant "2 or 3 times this week" for a long time now...
I would say failing numerous drug test yes your a addict!
... and passing 100 times more says?
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Let's keep in mind that Gordon is a repeat offender. It's not like he made one mistake. He's making the same mistakes over and over again, even with the stakes getting higher and higher.
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Let's keep in mind that Gordon is a repeat offender. It's not like he made one mistake. He's making the same mistakes over and over again, even with the stakes getting higher and higher.
Let's keep in mind that Gordon is a repeat offender. It's not like he made one mistake. He's making the same mistakes over and over again, even with the stakes getting higher and higher.
No doubt....including the upcoming 2015 season, Gordon will have been suspended or thrown off his team 6 times in 5 years.....
2010....suspended by Baylor...arrested with drugs
2011....suspended by Baylor...failed drug test
2012....full season played.......failed drug test anyway
2013....Suspended 2 games....failed another drug test....and then got a DUI....
2014....Suspended 10 games...
2014....Suspended by team AGAIN for behavior...then failed another drug test....
2015....Suspended full season?......
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Let's keep in mind that Gordon is a repeat offender. It's not like he made one mistake. He's making the same mistakes over and over again, even with the stakes getting higher and higher.
No doubt....including the upcoming 2015 season, Gordon will have been suspended or thrown off his team 6 times in 5 years.....
2010....suspended by Baylor...arrested with drugs
2011....suspended by Baylor...failed drug test
2012....full season played.......failed drug test anyway
2013....Suspended 2 games....failed another drug test....and then got a DUI....
2014....Suspended 10 games...
2014....Suspended by team AGAIN for behavior...then failed another drug test....
2015....Suspended full season?......
No doubt....including the upcoming 2015 season, Gordon will have been suspended or thrown off his team 6 times in 5 years.....
2010....suspended by Baylor...arrested with drugs
2011....suspended by Baylor...failed drug test
2012....full season played.......failed drug test anyway
2013....Suspended 2 games....failed another drug test....and then got a DUI....
2014....Suspended 10 games...
2014....Suspended by team AGAIN for behavior...then failed another drug test....
2015....Suspended full season?......
Just in case anyone with bad eyesight or a thick head missed this post
2010....suspended by Baylor...arrested with drugs
2011....suspended by Baylor...failed drug test
2012....full season played.......failed drug test anyway
2013....Suspended 2 games....failed another drug test....and then got a DUI....
2014....Suspended 10 games...
2014....Suspended by team AGAIN for behavior...then failed another drug test....
2015....Suspended full season?......
Seriously any questions? Discussion over I'd say
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No doubt....including the upcoming 2015 season, Gordon will have been suspended or thrown off his team 6 times in 5 years.....
2010....suspended by Baylor...arrested with drugs
2011....suspended by Baylor...failed drug test
2012....full season played.......failed drug test anyway
2013....Suspended 2 games....failed another drug test....and then got a DUI....
2014....Suspended 10 games...
2014....Suspended by team AGAIN for behavior...then failed another drug test....
2015....Suspended full season?......
Just in case anyone with bad eyesight or a thick head missed this post
2010....suspended by Baylor...arrested with drugs
2011....suspended by Baylor...failed drug test
2012....full season played.......failed drug test anyway
2013....Suspended 2 games....failed another drug test....and then got a DUI....
2014....Suspended 10 games...
2014....Suspended by team AGAIN for behavior...then failed another drug test....
2015....Suspended full season?......
Seriously any questions? Discussion over I'd say
Just in case anyone with bad eyesight or a thick head missed this post
2010....suspended by Baylor...arrested with drugs
2011....suspended by Baylor...failed drug test
2012....full season played.......failed drug test anyway
2013....Suspended 2 games....failed another drug test....and then got a DUI....
2014....Suspended 10 games...
2014....Suspended by team AGAIN for behavior...then failed another drug test....
2015....Suspended full season?......
Seriously any questions? Discussion over I'd say
nope that pretty much much sums it up.
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that was well put. I too usually don't give a shit about a little weed or whatever, but if you're under DUI probation than I have zero sympathy. He obviously showed up to work in Berea and somebody was like that dude looks hungover. And this was during the season. No understanding from me whatsoever.
Not true. He was under a random test protocol and the test he failed was after the season.
Not true. He was under a random test protocol and the test he failed was after the season.
Oh, I thought the story that came out a few days after it initially broke was that the failed test was still during the season..albeit at the very end. When I first heard about this story I was like wait it wasn't a DUI and it's after the season....so he had some drinks at home and got popped who cares? But then the whole thing came out about his probation restrictions and that this was a test admininstered by the Browns during the season. So that's wrong?
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Josh is an addict and needs to seek counseling and professional help.
This is more sad than anything.
Then again, he fucked his teammates and this fanbase royally with his addiction.
I really hope they cut him to show an example that behavior won't be tolerated, and yes, that includes the bullshit Manziel has been doing.
Labelling Flash an addict is a bit much. He's probably not the sharpest tool in the shed, but is escapades to date don't resemble those of an addicts. No one gets addicted to weed. While an addict might use weed, they normally are searching for something stronger. And as for alcoholism, Flash seems to have made extremely poor decisions with the use of alcohol. Who hasn't?
Labelling Flash an addict is a bit much. He's probably not the sharpest tool in the shed, but is escapades to date don't resemble those of an addicts. No one gets addicted to weed. While an addict might use weed, they normally are searching for something stronger. And as for alcoholism, Flash seems to have made extremely poor decisions with the use of alcohol. Who hasn't?
Wrong. I personally have known several individuals who were and may even at one time myself been addicted to marijuana. Its not the drug itself that manifests addiction, the addiction is manifested within the individual and drugs/alcohol are but a symptom of the addiction. In other words, the problem is never the substance itself, it is the individual using the substance. Anything can be addictive, it all depends on who is partaking the behavior or habit.
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Labelling Flash an addict is a bit much. He's probably not the sharpest tool in the shed, but is escapades to date don't resemble those of an addicts. No one gets addicted to weed. While an addict might use weed, they normally are searching for something stronger. And as for alcoholism, Flash seems to have made extremely poor decisions with the use of alcohol. Who hasn't?
Wrong. I personally have known several individuals who were and may even at one time myself been addicted to marijuana. Its not the drug itself that manifests addiction, the addiction is manifested within the individual and drugs/alcohol are but a symptom of the addiction. In other words, the problem is never the substance itself, it is the individual using the substance. Anything can be addictive, it all depends on who is partaking the behavior or habit.
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