How Close We are

miktoxic

@westside-steve said:

Ok.

Would you take 5 second rounders for our two first rounders?

WSS

hmmmmm?

good question.

Tour2ma

Easy to do on First-Pick...

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@westside-steve said:

Ok.

Would you take 5 second rounders for our two first rounders?

WSS

Is there a team that can offer us 5 second rounders this year?

D Bone

@westside-steve said:

Ok.

Would you take 5 second rounders for our two first rounders?

WSS

In a heart beat. We are not 1 or 2 players away, and that combined with our recent "success" in the 1st round, yea, done.

The Gipper

@mark-o said:
Certainly could. I always thought that's what the Clippers should do to get out of LA and under the Lakers. For the Chargers though, there's no way a stadium gets built anywhere in OC either. LA is the only option in terms of land and where the NFL wants the team.

I don't know about the land part. I suspect there is some land somewhere in the OC that could suffice. A Disneyland parking lot perhaps.

But maybe the NFL does want it in LA......and are they willing to abandon San Diego to do that?

Mark O

@the-gipper said:

I don't know about the land part. I suspect there is some land somewhere in the OC that could suffice. A Disneyland parking lot perhaps.

But maybe the NFL does want it in LA......and are they willing to abandon San Diego to do that?

Disneyland doesn't have much land left around it. The Chargers will be abandoning San Diego because their stadium is a dump and there is no hope of getting a new stadium built in San Diego. The city and team haven't been able to even agree on a location ton consider for a new stadium and they've only been talking about for the last 17 years.

The Chargers are moving somewhere and I'm willing to bet a lot that they won't let two teams move into LA and leave them stuck without a place to go.

Mark O

The San Diego Chargers can hear the clock ticking, and they don't have the luxury of time..

With the St. Louis Rams mulling a relocation to Southern California, the Chargers are turning up the heat on the city of San Diego to determine whether they can finally get a new stadium in that city, or if they too need to make a play for Los Angeles.

Chargers set sights on L.A., push San Diego officials for action on stadium

Tensions flared Tuesday when Chargers special counsel Mark Fabiani wrote a letter to San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer that essentially questioned the seriousness and effectiveness of yet another stadium task force, and the mayor answered with a letter questioning the helpfulness of Fabiani's critique.

"His divisive tone and criticism of this group of volunteers, civic leaders and the city of San Diego as a whole are not conducive to developing a plan for a new stadium," Faulconer wrote. "I hope his behavior is not indicative of our ability to find a solution."

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The Chargers have made no secret of their disappointment in the mayor's forming a task force to address an issue they have been working on for almost 14 years. They met with Faulconer in November and tried to convince him to appoint a stadium czar who could work directly with team executives on finding an eventual replacement for aging Qualcomm Stadium.

Instead, the mayor appointed a task force, which the Chargers argue has no resources or authority to get anything done. Their position is that such an advisory group only allows the mayor to kick the can down the road and not deal with the problem at hand.

"Simply put, we have no intention of allowing the Chargers franchise to be manipulated for political cover," Fabiani told the task force in a letter Monday, "and we will call out any elected official who tries to do so."

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@Batcavern- Maybe you should know a little about the subject before opening your mouth. Over 30% of the Charger's season ticket holders are from LA and OC. Has been that way for years, especially since there is NO TEAM IN LA. There's an old saying. "It's better to keep...

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In voicing their displeasure, the Chargers are talking not just to the mayor and city. More important, they are talking to the owners of the NFL's 31 other teams, trying to underscore the effort they have made to find a solution in San Diego and how difficult that process has been.

Convincing the other owners of that is essential, because the NFL is intent on exerting its control of the L.A. market — including which team or teams can move there, and where a new stadium would be located. How much control the league has in those matters is up for debate.

But the Chargers are trying to play by the league's rules to send the message that if it comes to a team moving back to the nation's second-largest market, they have fulfilled their relocation requirements and have done so by the book. Then, if it comes to a vote of owners, that presumably will weigh in their favor.

What Fabiani specifically questioned the mayor on Tuesday was whether the task force was truly independent of political influence. Fabiani asked why a political consultant to Faulconer, Jason Roe, attended a task force meeting that was closed to the media and the public. Fabiani also noted Roe is a lobbyist for a firm bidding to be a concessionaire at Qualcomm Stadium.

"Putting the legal and ethical issues aside for a moment," Fabiani wrote, "what sense does it make to have someone who is your chief advisor on political matters, and who advises a potential stadium vendor on business matters, play any sort of role with the 'independent' task force?"

The gist of Fabiani's question: Does the task force truly represent a good-faith effort to find a stadium solution, or is it an effort to continue to run out the clock on the problem?

Roe answered in a written statement that made reference to the Chargers' drafting a quarterback in what turned out to be one of the biggest flops in NFL history.

"Ryan Leaf is no longer the worst personnel decision in Chargers history," Roe responded. "In 14 years of failure, Mark Fabiani has done nothing but make excuses, lay blame, and pick fights. The mayor's advisory committee is just that — the mayor's advisory committee, and Mark does not get to dictate how the mayor organizes his advisory group."

Beyond the bickering is this undeniable truth: The pressure is rising in San Diego, and the Chargers are getting nervous and restless about protecting what they believe is their turf.

At some point soon, they might feel the need to take the next step. And that could be a step north.

The Gipper

What is wrong with the current site? Just build a new stadium in the parking lot...then convert the demolised stadium into parking. I have seen aerial photos....it seems doable.

Mark O

That makes sense but for some reason they don't want to do that. I'm guessing part of the issue is where would they play in the meantime or where would people park?

The Gipper

@mark-o said:
That makes sense but for some reason they don't want to do that. I'm guessing part of the issue is where would they play in the meantime or where would people park?

I was going to suggest the San Diego St. Stadium....for them to do like the Vikings did.....but I think SDSU plays at Qualcomm.

Or perhaps this: build a new Stadium in SD.....but play in LA area while that is being built. the Rose Bowl or the Coliseum?

Mark O

SDSU plays at Qualcomm.

Tour2ma

Heard per Jim Trotter that two teams are expected to move to the new LA stadium: SD and StL.

Also that 40% of the SD fan base lives in the LA area.

Mark O

@tour2ma said:

Heard per Jim Trotter that two teams are expected to move to the new LA stadium: SD and StL.

Also that 40% of the SD fan base lives in the LA area.

Sounds about right on both counts.

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:

Heard per Jim Trotter that two teams are expected to move to the new LA stadium: SD and StL.

Also that 40% of the SD fan base lives in the LA area.

Stupid to put two there. One would suffice. Though, I mean, both the Chargers and Rams were in LA once and left.

Maybe instead of going back to LA, the Rams could go back to their original home: Cleveland!

Mark O

@the-gipper said:

Stupid to put two there. One would suffice. Though, I mean, both the Chargers and Rams were in LA once and left.

Maybe instead of going back to LA, the Rams could go back to their original home: Cleveland!

The plan was always going to be for 2 teams in LA. It mgiht take a year or two to get both of them there but there will be 2 teams in LA>

miktoxic

wonder how the fans in st. louis feel about the team moving?

The Gipper

@mark-o said:

The plan was always going to be for 2 teams in LA. It mgiht take a year or two to get both of them there but there will be 2 teams in LA>

Nevertheless, it is speculative on if they even deserve one.

Want a team in LA? Expand. Don't fucking steal it from someone else. If teams move from St. Louis and SD it is just going to open up the shitstorm that happened in the 80s/90s when all those teams shifted. Raiders to LA, Rams to St. L. Colts to Indy. Cardinals to AZ, Oilers to Teneyesee. Attempted move of Browns.

Fuck, Jacksonville probably got the team that Baltimore shoulda got. Now they want to move the Jags....somewhere.

WTF is wrong with that Dome in St. Louis. It is barely 20 years old if that.

DieHardBrownsFan

LA large market, cesspool city. They couldn't even support one team let alone two. Fuck em.

ballpeen

@the-gipper said:

WTF is wrong with that Dome in St. Louis. It is barely 20 years old if that.

If it was built on the cheap, lot's can be wrong. Face it, the NFL owners need indoor space for club seats and indoor activities. I know you may not like them, but the fact remains lot's of fans want that, and those are typically the type of fans or business' that buy lots of tickets.

I know you are a older fan like I. Don't act like it. The days of heading to the open air stadium to eat a crappy dog and swill some watered down beer are over. NFL teams are adapting to what their customers want, and the first people they listen to are the people spending the most money. Some may not want or like to hear that, but that's the way it is in any business.

Look, these new owners shell out a $billion. They have to make a large return. Simple interest would net them maybe 30 mil a year.

Trust me, it's fan driven. If the voice of the fans didn't want better this and that's, it wouldn't happen.

A NFL team in a city is huge. You have all kinds of cities in this country that could support a NFL team and will/would break the bank to bring one home. If a city with a team doesn't want to keep up with the Jones family, well, sorry Charlie.

Really man, one would think we of all people would understand that. We kept dicking arounf and Modell finally pulled the plug.

I know some may disagree with that, but to deaf ears here. I have no doubt had the city agreed to a nice new stadium, Art would have never moved the team, and that is the bottom line. Like it or not.

Westside Steve

@diehardbrownsfan said:
LA large market, cesspool city. They couldn't even support one team let alone two. Fuck em.

also a town made up of a lot of transients.

WSS