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  • Opal312O Opal312 wrote on
    #33

    You mean the way we acquired Justin Gilbert? If Shelton is gone by #12 there's alternatives without trading up again. Eddie Goldman, Denzel Perryman, Kevin White, Andreas Peat, Devon Smith, Jaelen Strong to name a few. What is this infatuation in Cleveland with trading up? It's never worked and that's why winning organizations never do.

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  • Opal312O Opal312

    You mean the way we acquired Justin Gilbert? If Shelton is gone by #12 there's alternatives without trading up again. Eddie Goldman, Denzel Perryman, Kevin White, Andreas Peat, Devon Smith, Jaelen Strong to name a few. What is this infatuation in Cleveland with trading up? It's never worked and that's why winning organizations never do.

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #34

    @opal312 said:

    You mean the way we acquired Justin Gilbert? If Shelton is gone by #12 there's alternatives without trading up again. Eddie Goldman, Denzel Perryman, Kevin White, Andreas Peat, Devon Smith, Jaelen Strong to name a few. What is this infatuation in Cleveland with trading up? It's never worked and that's why winning organizations never do.

    first off get it right. they traded down and chose gilbert. they traded up to get manziel.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #35

    The point is that Shelton is the premier, run-stuffing DT/NT in the draft. The only question is how big the drop is to the 2nd best. If you happen to think it's big enough, then a trade up should be considered.

    When the list of "elite" players in the 2105 draft is finalized, I think Shelton's name will be on it.

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  • B BaconHound wrote on
    #36

    No trading up. Farmer needs to do his job, evaluate talent, and add as many quality players as he can. This team needs depth not a jersey seller.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    The point is that Shelton is the premier, run-stuffing DT/NT in the draft. The only question is how big the drop is to the 2nd best. If you happen to think it's big enough, then a trade up should be considered.

    When the list of "elite" players in the 2105 draft is finalized, I think Shelton's name will be on it.

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #37

    @tour2ma said:

    When the list of "elite" players in the 2105 draft is finalized, I think Shelton's name will be on it.

    And that's a fairly short list this year(true elites)....while it seems that level 2 players are very deep.......to me, mid first round and mid 2nd feel about the same....

    I have 7 players I like at 12.....if they're not there, then Im open to offers....but at 19, there are no more stand outs than there are at 25 or 30....it's just kind of blah......

    so trade back seems like the smart thing to do this year if a good opportunity is presented(or even to load one up for next year, cause some QB's will be there in "16)

    gumby73G Tour2maT 2 Replies
  • S SkippinTurtles wrote on
    #38

    Recent mocks have Shelton going to the Redskins. They've been soft up the middle for years. He'll transform that defense if the Browns don't act. It's an affordable move up.

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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @tour2ma said:

    When the list of "elite" players in the 2105 draft is finalized, I think Shelton's name will be on it.

    And that's a fairly short list this year(true elites)....while it seems that level 2 players are very deep.......to me, mid first round and mid 2nd feel about the same....

    I have 7 players I like at 12.....if they're not there, then Im open to offers....but at 19, there are no more stand outs than there are at 25 or 30....it's just kind of blah......

    so trade back seems like the smart thing to do this year if a good opportunity is presented(or even to load one up for next year, cause some QB's will be there in "16)

    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on
    #39

    @mudfly said:

    And that's a fairly short list this year(true elites)....while it seems that level 2 players are very deep.......to me, mid first round and mid 2nd feel about the same....

    I have 7 players I like at 12.....if they're not there, then Im open to offers....but at 19, there are no more stand outs than there are at 25 or 30....it's just kind of blah......

    so trade back seems like the smart thing to do this year if a good opportunity is presented(or even to load one up for next year, cause some QB's will be there in "16)

    You are dead on Mud. It's nonsense, but Farmer may cost us a pick (Textgate). Get that value back, by trading back if possible. But you never trade back if you can upgrade ANY position or Depth upgrade at ANY position, and that has been a serious issue for us in Drafting. Farmer can nail FA's, but we need to nail this draft also...

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  • S SkippinTurtles

    Recent mocks have Shelton going to the Redskins. They've been soft up the middle for years. He'll transform that defense if the Browns don't act. It's an affordable move up.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #40

    @skippinturtles said:

    Recent mocks have Shelton going to the Redskins. They've been soft up the middle for years. He'll transform that defense if the Browns don't act. It's an affordable move up.

    And if they don't take him he never gets past Chicago. The Browns say they are going for D this year. Who can they expect to be there that should go at 12 but before 19? And who are they willing to take on D at 19 that may not drop further for us to drop back to? Those are the key questions if you do not want to trade up.

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @tour2ma said:

    When the list of "elite" players in the 2105 draft is finalized, I think Shelton's name will be on it.

    And that's a fairly short list this year(true elites)....while it seems that level 2 players are very deep.......to me, mid first round and mid 2nd feel about the same....

    I have 7 players I like at 12.....if they're not there, then Im open to offers....but at 19, there are no more stand outs than there are at 25 or 30....it's just kind of blah......

    so trade back seems like the smart thing to do this year if a good opportunity is presented(or even to load one up for next year, cause some QB's will be there in "16)

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #41

    @mudfly said:

    And that's a fairly short list this year(true elites)...

    I have 7 players I like at 12.....if they're not there, then Im open to offers...

    Elites in 2015.... hmmmmm... sounds like a thread.

    Looking at my First-Pick mock sim results, I'm seeing about five different names. But there are a couple I've yet to have fall to me that I'd take in a heartbeat, e.g., Williams.

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  • S SkippinTurtles wrote on
    #42

    3-4 stud NT's are impossible to find. You don't have to do some fucked up RG3 trade to get him. At least make someone a shitty offer. This guy looks like a potential defensive franchise changer.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #43

    taylor and rubin did just fine until they got hurt.

    who's to say the same doesn't happen to someone we trade away picks for?

    if he's there, great! if not there are other options.

    i'd be looking to get more picks not piss them away.

  • S SkippinTurtles wrote on
    #44

    Neither here nor there, but Samoan dudes seem to have a recent track record of busting their ass in NFL. Rubin and Taylor have a little mileage. Start fresh and build around.

  • S SkippinTurtles

    Neither here nor there, but Samoan dudes seem to have a recent track record of busting their ass in NFL. Rubin and Taylor have a little mileage. Start fresh and build around.

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #45

    @skippinturtles said:

    Neither here nor there, but Samoan dudes seem to have a recent track record of busting their ass in NFL. Rubin and Taylor have a little mileage. Start fresh and build around.

    WTF do YOU know about samoans??

    do you know more navy/americans go missing off the shores of hawaii than anywhere else in continental U.S.?

    of course not cuz you never left your house.

    the reason samoans do good in the NFL is because they hate both black and white people equally.

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  • ConnerLangfordC ConnerLangford wrote on
    #46

    He's a good player but I don't think he's worth it to trade up for him, they're are plenty of talented DT's in this years draft class, and personally I like Malcom Brown more and he should be available for us at 12. We don't need to trade up, we need all the picks we have

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    @skippinturtles said:

    Neither here nor there, but Samoan dudes seem to have a recent track record of busting their ass in NFL. Rubin and Taylor have a little mileage. Start fresh and build around.

    WTF do YOU know about samoans??

    do you know more navy/americans go missing off the shores of hawaii than anywhere else in continental U.S.?

    of course not cuz you never left your house.

    the reason samoans do good in the NFL is because they hate both black and white people equally.

    S SkippinTurtles wrote on
    #47

    @miktoxic said:

    WTF do YOU know about samoans??

    do you know more navy/americans go missing off the shores of hawaii than anywhere else in continental U.S.?

    of course not cuz you never left your house.

    the reason samoans do good in the NFL is because they hate both black and white people equally.

    A stud NT that hates black and white offensive lineman. Perfect.

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  • S SkippinTurtles wrote on
    #48

    Having a flat-out anchor in the middle of the D takes pressure off of everyone else on the defense. Less double teams for other players, easier pass-rush, less time in coverage.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    The point is that Shelton is the premier, run-stuffing DT/NT in the draft. The only question is how big the drop is to the 2nd best. If you happen to think it's big enough, then a trade up should be considered.

    When the list of "elite" players in the 2105 draft is finalized, I think Shelton's name will be on it.

    LumberghL Lumbergh wrote on
    #49

    @tour2ma said:

    When the list of "elite" players in the 2105 draft is finalized, I think Shelton's name will be on it.

    Shelton is good but the best player on washington's team was shaq Thompson.

  • LumberghL Lumbergh

    @tour2ma said:

    When the list of "elite" players in the 2105 draft is finalized, I think Shelton's name will be on it.

    Shelton is good but the best player on washington's team was shaq Thompson.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #50

    @lumbergh said:

    Shelton is good but the best player on washington's team was shaq Thompson.

    If linebackers are free to roam in space and make plays - there's usually a damn good sets of bigs up front to thank for that.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @lumbergh said:

    Shelton is good but the best player on washington's team was shaq Thompson.

    If linebackers are free to roam in space and make plays - there's usually a damn good sets of bigs up front to thank for that.

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on
    #51

    @tiamat63 said:

    If linebackers are free to roam in space and make plays - there's usually a damn good sets of bigs up front to thank for that.

    I've been watching film of Shelton and it's fun to watch him push a pocket backward. Not only does he pack brute strength but he does a nice job of standing blockers up so they don't have their legs under them. I really like this kid's innerchest. He seems relentless.

    The only slight negative I see after he jacks blockers up is a tendency to tackle high...

    Here's a link showing a brief footage of him Senior Bowl Week. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Danny+Shelton+Highlights+YouTube&Form=VQFRVP#view=detail&mid=AAAA1ECF74461F1A7A78AAAA1ECF74461F1A7A78

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  • FlugelF Flugel wrote on
    #52

    Here's a better video of Shelton. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Danny+Shelton+Highlights&Form=VQFRVP#view=detail&mid=6F639428663F6D3B90736F639428663F6D3B9073

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