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  • thenew23T thenew23

    @the-gipper said:

    Yes, well the problem with relying on drafting is that you may be getting a pig in a poke. If you allow say 6-8 veterans of your team leave via FA....and you try to replace them all with rookies....you are playing a fool's hand for a couple of reasons: A. Because, as we certainly know, rookie draftees have a high complete bust rate....so you want a rookie bust to replace a proven vet? B. Even if that rookie is not a bust, it takes a while for a solid rookie to prove his salt.....where with a proven veteran it is not necessary to do that.

    As I said, replace talent with equal talent in FA....upgrade your team via the draft. I see no reason why the Browns shouldn't sign a veteran OLB/DE to replace Sheard.....but also draft an OLB/DE that you think may be better all the way around.

    So, to me, you use a mix of both methods.

    I for one am not willing to let 6-8 veteran player leave....and try to get rookies in to replace every one of them. Maybe a couple of slots....but not many.

    Agree... to a point. If you lose 6-8 veterans, hopefully you let them leave because you have guys you've developed ready to take their place in the lineup. Then, you bring in guys you hope to develop to replace the guys you've been developing. There are circumstances when you lose so many players that you need to add maybe 1 or 2 FAs, but look around at the winners... they all develop through the draft and with young talent. A "top tier" FA is only added once it is established that veteran is the piece that puts your team in contention for a title... Other FAs are only added once you recognize, during camp or preseason, that the guys you hoped to develop aren't going to get it done for you... It is a mix of both, but ideally you want to draft your talent, or at least get them on your roster while they are young and inexpensive...

    Your FA for FA philosophy is like checkers... Drafting and developing talent is more like chess, you have to think 4 or 5 moves ahead...

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #25

    @thenew23 said:

    Agree... to a point. If you lose 6-8 veterans, hopefully you let them leave because you have guys you've developed ready to take their place in the lineup. Then, you bring in guys you hope to develop to replace the guys you've been developing. There are circumstances when you lose so many players that you need to add maybe 1 or 2 FAs, but look around at the winners... they all develop through the draft and with young talent. A "top tier" FA is only added once it is established that veteran is the piece that puts your team in contention for a title... Other FAs are only added once you recognize, during camp or preseason, that the guys you hoped to develop aren't going to get it done for you... It is a mix of both, but ideally you want to draft your talent, or at least get them on your roster while they are young and inexpensive...

    Your FA for FA philosophy is like checkers... Drafting and developing talent is more like chess, you have to think 4 or 5 moves ahead...

    Well, I combine them both. Like real estate. I want to do a like kind exchange using FAs.....and maybe get a little bonus for flipping. But I want to use the draft to step up in my surroundings. Think of the Jefferson's theme song "Moviin' on Up".

    And think of my chess/checker playing as 3 dimensional, like this:

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @the-gipper said:

    Yes, well the problem with relying on drafting is that you may be getting a pig in a poke. If you allow say 6-8 veterans of your team leave via FA....and you try to replace them all with rookies....you are playing a fool's hand for a couple of reasons: A. Because, as we certainly know, rookie draftees have a high complete bust rate....so you want a rookie bust to replace a proven vet? B. Even if that rookie is not a bust, it takes a while for a solid rookie to prove his salt.....where with a proven veteran it is not necessary to do that.

    Bit of a red herring since no one is arguing "all rookies"... Only saying that all FAs, which is what someone here argued, is not the way they see to go.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #26

    @tour2ma said:

    Bit of a red herring since no one is arguing "all rookies"... Only saying that all FAs, which is what someone here argued, is not the way they see to go.

    Well, WTF do you replace the FAs you lose with if you don't sign any other FAs to take their place besides rookies? Does Mrs. Haslam bake gingerbread men?

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #27

    Thad Lewis signing noted.

    Browns needed to keep up with the Steelers signing of Tajh Boyd. 😆

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #28

    Now you're being ridiculous...

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Now you're being ridiculous...

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #29

    @tour2ma said:

    Now you're being ridiculous...

    You first. Where do you replace players you have lost if you don't get other FAs or rookies to replace them?

    And why are you disrespecting Mrs. Haslam's baking skills? 😁

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #30

    Justin Forsett re-ups with Ravens.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Justin Forsett re-ups with Ravens.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #31

    @the-gipper said:

    Justin Forsett re-ups with Ravens.

    Smart move. If they had lost him I'm not sure how they would have overcome that list of departures.

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #32

    Browns resigning of Cameron Jordan....or is it Jordan Cameron, noted.

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #33

    Tyrod Taylor signing by Bills away from Ravens noted.

    I mean, geez, look at the wealth of QBs signed by the AFCN Josh McCown, Thad Lewis, Tyrod Taylor, Tajh Boyd.

    OI!

    👍
  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #34

    Other than Jordan Cameron switch and Ravens resigning Forsett, no other AFCN activity in the last 2 days.

    Polian on the radio said today would be very active, because guys would be scrambling for jobs. Supposedly now it is a "Buyer's Market"........or maybe that is just wishful thinking because he thinks like a management guy/GM.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @tour2ma said:

    Now you're being ridiculous...

    You first. Where do you replace players you have lost if you don't get other FAs or rookies to replace them?

    And why are you disrespecting Mrs. Haslam's baking skills? 😁

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #35

    @the-gipper said:

    You first. Where do you replace players you have lost if you don't get other FAs or rookies to replace them?

    @tour2ma said:

    As for the FA for FA thing... I don't subscribe to it. Draft is just as viable a route for backfilling unless veteran experience adds a tangible premium, e.g., back up QB. Otherwise IMO the relative talent pools should determine which way to go.

    Habit 5: Seek First to Understand, Then to Be Understood.

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  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #36

    Kendrick Lewis to Ravens

    Darian Stewart from Ravens

    Michael Johnson to Bengals

    DeAngelo Williams to Steelers

    noted

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #37

    Tramon Williams, Randy Starks signings noted.

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #38

    Must be the St. Patrick's day holiday.....per what I have been following not a single transaction has taken place in the NFL today...at least not yet.

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #39

    Ravens cutting Bernard Pierce RB and resigning of DEs Chris Canty and Lawrence Guy noted.

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #40

    Ravens resign Morgan Cox OC

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  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #41

    Bengals resign RFA Devon Sills DE

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Ravens resign Morgan Cox OC

    Z Zombo wrote on
    #42

    @the-gipper said:

    Ravens resign Morgan Cox OC

    So Flacco has to reach under Cox to get the ball?

    Zombo

  • Z Zombo

    @the-gipper said:

    Ravens resign Morgan Cox OC

    So Flacco has to reach under Cox to get the ball?

    Zombo

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #43

    Zombo said:

    So Flacco has to reach under Cox to get the ball?

    Zombo

    Dude at times has rocked the gay porn star stache.

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  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #44

    Remember to check original post for all AFCN transactions.

    I do wonder what the Ravens are gonna do. They have lost 10 players off their roster, and only replaced one.

    They have resigned a few, but, are they going to fill that roster with all new rookies and UDFAs?

    Or do you think they will make some late signings of veteran FAs? Perhaps they will try to pick up some dregs....errrr, I mean, nuggets, just before training camp.

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