AFC North Free Agency Scoreboard
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Bengals still seem the most ahead of the game.....signing good players in AJ Hawk, Michael Johnson, Ghee. Only loss is below average player Marshall Newhouse.
I assess Browns in the Equilibrium thread.
Ravens continue to bleed. They have lost 10 players, a few above average, acquired only one average at best player.
Steelers are just in stagnation mode. Signed just one player. An aged, but possibly useful backup RB. Lost one average DB to another team (who may have actually been their best DB) and one decent LB to retirement.
But....I note that they have about 10 UFAs on their team that nobody else seems to want. Only Brice McCain, that DB was signed by someone else.
To rank at this point I would say:
1. Bengals, slightly over Browns
2. Browns
3. Steelers
4. Ravens
Are you really ranking free agency activity? The steelers almost never play in fa. We signed moats, McCain was not our best corner this past season Gay was and Williams is the perfect compliment to Bell. We extended Ben and just signed Harrison. The Steelers build through the draft. Teams that build through fa lose for a reason. Name a team that has gone nuts in fa that has won anything recently worth discussing. Signing a ton of players in fa usually indicates the team does a less than satisfactory job of drafting and developing players.Bengals still seem the most ahead of the game.....signing good players in AJ Hawk, Michael Johnson, Ghee. Only loss is below average player Marshall Newhouse.
I assess Browns in the Equilibrium thread.
Ravens continue to bleed. They have lost 10 players, a few above average, acquired only one average at best player.
Steelers are just in stagnation mode. Signed just one player. An aged, but possibly useful backup RB. Lost one average DB to another team (who may have actually been their best DB) and one decent LB to retirement.
But....I note that they have about 10 UFAs on their team that nobody else seems to want. Only Brice McCain, that DB was signed by someone else.
To rank at this point I would say:
1. Bengals, slightly over Browns
2. Browns
3. Steelers
4. Ravens
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Are you really ranking free agency activity? The steelers almost never play in fa. We signed moats, McCain was not our best corner this past season Gay was and Williams is the perfect compliment to Bell. We extended Ben and just signed Harrison. The Steelers build through the draft. Teams that build through fa lose for a reason. Name a team that has gone nuts in fa that has won anything recently worth discussing. Signing a ton of players in fa usually indicates the team does a less than satisfactory job of drafting and developing players.Bengals still seem the most ahead of the game.....signing good players in AJ Hawk, Michael Johnson, Ghee. Only loss is below average player Marshall Newhouse.
I assess Browns in the Equilibrium thread.
Ravens continue to bleed. They have lost 10 players, a few above average, acquired only one average at best player.
Steelers are just in stagnation mode. Signed just one player. An aged, but possibly useful backup RB. Lost one average DB to another team (who may have actually been their best DB) and one decent LB to retirement.
But....I note that they have about 10 UFAs on their team that nobody else seems to want. Only Brice McCain, that DB was signed by someone else.
To rank at this point I would say:
1. Bengals, slightly over Browns
2. Browns
3. Steelers
4. Ravens
Signing a ton of players in fa usually indicates the team does a less than satisfactory job of drafting and developing players.
Not really... There are many reasons a team can come to need FAs... up to and including the exact opposite of your reason. Namely that team has been so good at identifying and developing talent that they cannot afford to keep them all.
Other reasons off the top of my head:
- injury replacements;
- final pieces for a push by a team that's almost there (real or perceived);
- mentorship;
- stewardship.
I think Harrison and Keisel were terrific examples of the latter for you last season.
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Signing a ton of players in fa usually indicates the team does a less than satisfactory job of drafting and developing players.
Not really... There are many reasons a team can come to need FAs... up to and including the exact opposite of your reason. Namely that team has been so good at identifying and developing talent that they cannot afford to keep them all.
Other reasons off the top of my head:
- injury replacements;
- final pieces for a push by a team that's almost there (real or perceived);
- mentorship;
- stewardship.
I think Harrison and Keisel were terrific examples of the latter for you last season.
Not really... There are many reasons a team can come to need FAs... up to and including the exact opposite of your reason. Namely that team has been so good at identifying and developing talent that they cannot afford to keep them all.
Other reasons off the top of my head:
- injury replacements;
- final pieces for a push by a team that's almost there (real or perceived);
- mentorship;
- stewardship.
I think Harrison and Keisel were terrific examples of the latter for you last season.
Name a team that has drafted so well that they couldn't keep all their players and instead of just restocking in the draft they turned to free agency. I don't disagree on the veteran precence or the final piece. My point was teams that go hard in free agency usually aren't very good or completely changing their system. Chip kelly is a strange example of exactly that process.
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First... when I read "usually" it means majority of the time to me... that is why I disagreed. If you're meaning plurality, then I have little issue with that.
I think the current Seattle team is an example of a team that has been forced to dip into FA because they were too successful developing players... and they have not even locked up their franchise QB as yet. Once they do that, they will see even more talent leave to get paid.
Chip Kelly's approach is just strange, period... whether there's genius in his brand of oddity is TBD.
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First... when I read "usually" it means majority of the time to me... that is why I disagreed. If you're meaning plurality, then I have little issue with that.
I think the current Seattle team is an example of a team that has been forced to dip into FA because they were too successful developing players... and they have not even locked up their franchise QB as yet. Once they do that, they will see even more talent leave to get paid.
Chip Kelly's approach is just strange, period... whether there's genius in his brand of oddity is TBD.
First... when I read "usually" it means majority of the time to me... that is why I disagreed. If you're meaning plurality, then I have little issue with that.
I think the current Seattle team is an example of a team that has been forced to dip into FA because they were too successful developing players... and they have not even locked up their franchise QB as yet. Once they do that, they will see even more talent leave to get paid.
Chip Kelly's approach is just strange, period... whether there's genius in his brand of oddity is TBD.
Seattle hasn't really dipped into fa to replace players lost though, unless I'm really missing who they have signed. Graham was just a major upgrade and they did sign Rubin but they aren't going nuts. I'd say that's not a good example.
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Gresham would be a good value pickup.. Nowhere near Clay or Cameron money, closer to Bowe's contract.. but still a mismatch for a LB.
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Are you really ranking free agency activity? The steelers almost never play in fa. We signed moats, McCain was not our best corner this past season Gay was and Williams is the perfect compliment to Bell. We extended Ben and just signed Harrison. The Steelers build through the draft. Teams that build through fa lose for a reason. Name a team that has gone nuts in fa that has won anything recently worth discussing. Signing a ton of players in fa usually indicates the team does a less than satisfactory job of drafting and developing players.Bengals still seem the most ahead of the game.....signing good players in AJ Hawk, Michael Johnson, Ghee. Only loss is below average player Marshall Newhouse.
I assess Browns in the Equilibrium thread.
Ravens continue to bleed. They have lost 10 players, a few above average, acquired only one average at best player.
Steelers are just in stagnation mode. Signed just one player. An aged, but possibly useful backup RB. Lost one average DB to another team (who may have actually been their best DB) and one decent LB to retirement.
But....I note that they have about 10 UFAs on their team that nobody else seems to want. Only Brice McCain, that DB was signed by someone else.
To rank at this point I would say:
1. Bengals, slightly over Browns
2. Browns
3. Steelers
4. Ravens
Are you really ranking free agency activity?
Yes, this is a sports talk/football forum. Of course we rank free agency....as does every network that covers football.
The steelers almost never play in fa.
So what?
We signed moats, McCain was not our best corner this past season Gay was and Williams is the perfect compliment to Bell. We extended Ben and just signed Harrison.
So? Do you have a point? We have already pointed out those moves (not the BR thing....because he was not a FA)(if McCain was not best, who was)
The Steelers build through the draft. Teams that build through fa lose for a reason. Name a team that has gone nuts in fa that has won anything recently worth discussing.
The New England Patriots have been fairly active in FA during their run.
As long as they have Brady, and as long as the Steelers have BR....anything either of them does in the draft of FA is side salad, not main course.
Signing a ton of players in fa usually indicates the team does a less than satisfactory job of drafting and developing players.
Or, it could mean that the players they drafted and developed became free agents and they had to replace them.
The Browns lost good players to FA that they signed and developed. Sheard, Skrine, Cameron, Rubin.
Browns have done as good or better at drafting and developing players than the Steelers have.....except for offensive skill players....where they keep getting unlucky. (you can go down the list....Quinn, Weeden, Richardson, Manziel etc.) Even when they get a good one.....Gordon....things get screwed up.
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Not really... There are many reasons a team can come to need FAs... up to and including the exact opposite of your reason. Namely that team has been so good at identifying and developing talent that they cannot afford to keep them all.
Other reasons off the top of my head:
- injury replacements;
- final pieces for a push by a team that's almost there (real or perceived);
- mentorship;
- stewardship.
I think Harrison and Keisel were terrific examples of the latter for you last season.
Name a team that has drafted so well that they couldn't keep all their players and instead of just restocking in the draft they turned to free agency. I don't disagree on the veteran precence or the final piece. My point was teams that go hard in free agency usually aren't very good or completely changing their system. Chip kelly is a strange example of exactly that process.
Name a team that has drafted so well that they couldn't keep all their players and instead of just restocking in the draft they turned to free agency. I don't disagree on the veteran precence or the final piece. My point was teams that go hard in free agency usually aren't very good or completely changing their system. Chip kelly is a strange example of exactly that process.
You think that "just restocking in the draft" is the only way to build a team? It isn't.
But, lets say a team tries to "restock" in a draft. The Browns, this year, would need to draft a cornerback, two defensive linemen and a tight end....all who would need to come in and contribute at a veteran level.
The Browns don't do that....a btw, neither do the Steelers. Are you going to draft guys to replace Keisel and McCain and whomever else you have lost? Not likely.
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First... when I read "usually" it means majority of the time to me... that is why I disagreed. If you're meaning plurality, then I have little issue with that.
I think the current Seattle team is an example of a team that has been forced to dip into FA because they were too successful developing players... and they have not even locked up their franchise QB as yet. Once they do that, they will see even more talent leave to get paid.
Chip Kelly's approach is just strange, period... whether there's genius in his brand of oddity is TBD.
Seattle hasn't really dipped into fa to replace players lost though, unless I'm really missing who they have signed. Graham was just a major upgrade and they did sign Rubin but they aren't going nuts. I'd say that's not a good example.
Seattle hasn't really dipped into fa to replace players lost though, unless I'm really missing who they have signed. Graham was just a major upgrade and they did sign Rubin but they aren't going nuts. I'd say that's not a good example.
So? Who do you think IS going "nuts".
The Browns certainly are not going "nuts". They have simply tried to replace some of the players they lost to FA.
Do you think that is a problem? I think it is called prudent.
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Pittsburgh Steelers re-signing of James Harrison is the only move made by an AFCN team over the weekend.
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Gresham would be a good value pickup.. Nowhere near Clay or Cameron money, closer to Bowe's contract.. but still a mismatch for a LB.
Gresham would be a good value pickup.. Nowhere near Clay or Cameron money, closer to Bowe's contract.. but still a mismatch for a LB.
Gresham is undergoing surgery on his back this week. The Raiders seem to be the only team interested, but they won't bite until after surgery and rehab. I would not expect Gresham to sigh anywhere perhaps until training camp.
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No one is "ranking" free agency in the way you are ranking it. Yes the Patriots sign players but they arent restocking their team. Year in and year out the Browns are very active in free agency because they've been missing in the draft. You just put a whole lot of stock in your own personal opinion. I hope the steelers rank dead last every year in fa signings.
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First... when I read "usually" it means majority of the time to me... that is why I disagreed. If you're meaning plurality, then I have little issue with that.
I think the current Seattle team is an example of a team that has been forced to dip into FA because they were too successful developing players... and they have not even locked up their franchise QB as yet. Once they do that, they will see even more talent leave to get paid.
Chip Kelly's approach is just strange, period... whether there's genius in his brand of oddity is TBD.
Seattle hasn't really dipped into fa to replace players lost though, unless I'm really missing who they have signed. Graham was just a major upgrade and they did sign Rubin but they aren't going nuts. I'd say that's not a good example.
Seattle hasn't really dipped into fa to replace players lost though, unless I'm really missing who they have signed. Graham was just a major upgrade and they did sign Rubin but they aren't going nuts. I'd say that's not a good example.
You're correct... 2015 has not yet been demonstrative of my point, but this FA season is not over.
Look at Seattle's 2-year FA record though and get back to me...
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2014/seattle-seahawks/
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No one is "ranking" free agency in the way you are ranking it. Yes the Patriots sign players but they arent restocking their team. Year in and year out the Browns are very active in free agency because they've been missing in the draft. You just put a whole lot of stock in your own personal opinion. I hope the steelers rank dead last every year in fa signings.
No one is "ranking" free agency in the way you are ranking it.
Hell yes, they do. Every outlet gives you their winners and losers. Have you missed that?
Yes the Patriots sign players but they arent restocking their team.
Yes, in a way, they do. They "restock" the players they lose in free agency. The exact same thing the Browns do.
Year in and year out the Browns are very active in free agency because they've been missing in the draft.
What would you have them do? Stick with Brandon Weeden, Trent Richardson...Brady Quinn. Would you just let them lose a Josh Gordon to suspension and not try to sign any WRs? Would you have them lose 2 DL and not try to replace them? Or a TE or whatever position they lose a good player at?
The problem isn't being active in free agency....the problem is the "missing" on the draft picks.
So, when a team misses on a draft pick your approach would be to do nothing?
You just put a whole lot of stock in your own personal opinion.
Yes.....and so should you....because my opinions are very reasoned and mostly accurate.
I hope the steelers rank dead last every year in fa signings.
And if so, they will probably end up being a young....poor team in the long run. Right now your team has been propped up because they have had a Hall of Fame QB, a HOF DC, and have hit on a few good offensive skill players.
You have been LUCKY. Face it.
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No action overnight...in fact I see only one FA transaction in the entire league in the last couple of days
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No one is "ranking" free agency in the way you are ranking it.
Hell yes, they do. Every outlet gives you their winners and losers. Have you missed that?
Yes the Patriots sign players but they arent restocking their team.
Yes, in a way, they do. They "restock" the players they lose in free agency. The exact same thing the Browns do.
Year in and year out the Browns are very active in free agency because they've been missing in the draft.
What would you have them do? Stick with Brandon Weeden, Trent Richardson...Brady Quinn. Would you just let them lose a Josh Gordon to suspension and not try to sign any WRs? Would you have them lose 2 DL and not try to replace them? Or a TE or whatever position they lose a good player at?
The problem isn't being active in free agency....the problem is the "missing" on the draft picks.
So, when a team misses on a draft pick your approach would be to do nothing?
You just put a whole lot of stock in your own personal opinion.
Yes.....and so should you....because my opinions are very reasoned and mostly accurate.
I hope the steelers rank dead last every year in fa signings.
And if so, they will probably end up being a young....poor team in the long run. Right now your team has been propped up because they have had a Hall of Fame QB, a HOF DC, and have hit on a few good offensive skill players.
You have been LUCKY. Face it.
Lucky? The steelers passed on lacy to draft Bell. We drafted Brown and Sanders in the same draft. Mike Wallace in the 3rd. Martavis Bryant in the 4th. Markus Wheaton in the third. I would say its a little more than luck Gipper. The Steelers supplement occasional in fa. Mike Mitchell last season, Williams this season. The patriots do the same. The Browns fill 5-7 holes every damn season. Are you unlucky? Or do the browns just draft like sh.it?No one is "ranking" free agency in the way you are ranking it.
Hell yes, they do. Every outlet gives you their winners and losers. Have you missed that?
Yes the Patriots sign players but they arent restocking their team.
Yes, in a way, they do. They "restock" the players they lose in free agency. The exact same thing the Browns do.
Year in and year out the Browns are very active in free agency because they've been missing in the draft.
What would you have them do? Stick with Brandon Weeden, Trent Richardson...Brady Quinn. Would you just let them lose a Josh Gordon to suspension and not try to sign any WRs? Would you have them lose 2 DL and not try to replace them? Or a TE or whatever position they lose a good player at?
The problem isn't being active in free agency....the problem is the "missing" on the draft picks.
So, when a team misses on a draft pick your approach would be to do nothing?
You just put a whole lot of stock in your own personal opinion.
Yes.....and so should you....because my opinions are very reasoned and mostly accurate.
I hope the steelers rank dead last every year in fa signings.
And if so, they will probably end up being a young....poor team in the long run. Right now your team has been propped up because they have had a Hall of Fame QB, a HOF DC, and have hit on a few good offensive skill players.
You have been LUCKY. Face it.
Your opinions also aren't mostly accurate. You know dick outside the browns and even then your knowledge is rooted pre merger.
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Lucky? The steelers passed on lacy to draft Bell. We drafted Brown and Sanders in the same draft. Mike Wallace in the 3rd. Martavis Bryant in the 4th. Markus Wheaton in the third. I would say its a little more than luck Gipper. The Steelers supplement occasional in fa. Mike Mitchell last season, Williams this season. The patriots do the same. The Browns fill 5-7 holes every damn season. Are you unlucky? Or do the browns just draft like sh.it?No one is "ranking" free agency in the way you are ranking it.
Hell yes, they do. Every outlet gives you their winners and losers. Have you missed that?
Yes the Patriots sign players but they arent restocking their team.
Yes, in a way, they do. They "restock" the players they lose in free agency. The exact same thing the Browns do.
Year in and year out the Browns are very active in free agency because they've been missing in the draft.
What would you have them do? Stick with Brandon Weeden, Trent Richardson...Brady Quinn. Would you just let them lose a Josh Gordon to suspension and not try to sign any WRs? Would you have them lose 2 DL and not try to replace them? Or a TE or whatever position they lose a good player at?
The problem isn't being active in free agency....the problem is the "missing" on the draft picks.
So, when a team misses on a draft pick your approach would be to do nothing?
You just put a whole lot of stock in your own personal opinion.
Yes.....and so should you....because my opinions are very reasoned and mostly accurate.
I hope the steelers rank dead last every year in fa signings.
And if so, they will probably end up being a young....poor team in the long run. Right now your team has been propped up because they have had a Hall of Fame QB, a HOF DC, and have hit on a few good offensive skill players.
You have been LUCKY. Face it.
Your opinions also aren't mostly accurate. You know dick outside the browns and even then your knowledge is rooted pre merger.
Lucky? The steelers passed on lacy to draft Bell.
Lacy has played as well as Bell. That would have likely been a wash
We drafted Brown and Sanders in the same draft. Mike Wallace in the 3rd. Martavis Bryant in the 4th. Markus Wheaton in the third. I would say its a little more than luck Gipper.
NO, its luck. Pure and simple. Those guys could have all turned out to be Brian Robiskie and Mohammed Massaquoi just as easily.
But, more accurately, the thing that has made it appear that they are so good is that they have BR throwing to them.
Mike Wallace went to Miami and was mediocre at best. And Sanders left for somewhere...and essentially disappeared.
The Steelers supplement occasional in fa. Mike Mitchell last season, Williams this season. The patriots do the same. The Browns fill 5-7 holes every damn season. Are you unlucky? Or do the browns just draft like sh.it?
So? You think the Steelers have some special magic at drafting? They don't. Their draft picks overall have been worse than the Browns when you look at their overall production. If the Browns fill some holes with FAs, then the Steelers fill holes with untested, unproven rookies.
But, yes, the Browns have drafted like shit....when it comes to first rounders lately....at least when it comes to offensive skill players. (Weeden's/TR etc)
(But they have drafted young good quality people....the Joe Haden's, Joe Thomas, Bitonio etc. etc.)
Your opinions also aren't mostly accurate. You know dick outside the browns and even then your knowledge is rooted pre merger.
My opinions are based on sound fact.....not blind piss and black ignorance and stupidity like yours.
You are clueless to the fact that having a Hall of Fame QB means just about everything in the NFL these days. Yes....it means the difference between 11-5 and 7-9. THAT is an accurate opinion.
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Lucky? The steelers passed on lacy to draft Bell.
Lacy has played as well as Bell. That would have likely been a wash
We drafted Brown and Sanders in the same draft. Mike Wallace in the 3rd. Martavis Bryant in the 4th. Markus Wheaton in the third. I would say its a little more than luck Gipper.
NO, its luck. Pure and simple. Those guys could have all turned out to be Brian Robiskie and Mohammed Massaquoi just as easily.
But, more accurately, the thing that has made it appear that they are so good is that they have BR throwing to them.
Mike Wallace went to Miami and was mediocre at best. And Sanders left for somewhere...and essentially disappeared.
The Steelers supplement occasional in fa. Mike Mitchell last season, Williams this season. The patriots do the same. The Browns fill 5-7 holes every damn season. Are you unlucky? Or do the browns just draft like sh.it?
So? You think the Steelers have some special magic at drafting? They don't. Their draft picks overall have been worse than the Browns when you look at their overall production. If the Browns fill some holes with FAs, then the Steelers fill holes with untested, unproven rookies.
But, yes, the Browns have drafted like shit....when it comes to first rounders lately....at least when it comes to offensive skill players. (Weeden's/TR etc)
(But they have drafted young good quality people....the Joe Haden's, Joe Thomas, Bitonio etc. etc.)
Your opinions also aren't mostly accurate. You know dick outside the browns and even then your knowledge is rooted pre merger.
My opinions are based on sound fact.....not blind piss and black ignorance and stupidity like yours.
You are clueless to the fact that having a Hall of Fame QB means just about everything in the NFL these days. Yes....it means the difference between 11-5 and 7-9. THAT is an accurate opinion.
Lucky? The steelers passed on lacy to draft Bell.
Lacy has played as well as Bell. That would have likely been a wash
We drafted Brown and Sanders in the same draft. Mike Wallace in the 3rd. Martavis Bryant in the 4th. Markus Wheaton in the third. I would say its a little more than luck Gipper.
NO, its luck. Pure and simple. Those guys could have all turned out to be Brian Robiskie and Mohammed Massaquoi just as easily.
But, more accurately, the thing that has made it appear that they are so good is that they have BR throwing to them.
Mike Wallace went to Miami and was mediocre at best. And Sanders left for somewhere...and essentially disappeared.
The Steelers supplement occasional in fa. Mike Mitchell last season, Williams this season. The patriots do the same. The Browns fill 5-7 holes every damn season. Are you unlucky? Or do the browns just draft like sh.it?
So? You think the Steelers have some special magic at drafting? They don't. Their draft picks overall have been worse than the Browns when you look at their overall production. If the Browns fill some holes with FAs, then the Steelers fill holes with untested, unproven rookies.
But, yes, the Browns have drafted like shit....when it comes to first rounders lately....at least when it comes to offensive skill players. (Weeden's/TR etc)
(But they have drafted young good quality people....the Joe Haden's, Joe Thomas, Bitonio etc. etc.)
Your opinions also aren't mostly accurate. You know dick outside the browns and even then your knowledge is rooted pre merger.
My opinions are based on sound fact.....not blind piss and black ignorance and stupidity like yours.
You are clueless to the fact that having a Hall of Fame QB means just about everything in the NFL these days. Yes....it means the difference between 11-5 and 7-9. THAT is an accurate opinion.
You have a good point about the Steelers draft. Jarvis Jones appears to be a fuckin bust...having to compete with a 37 year old James Harrison.
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Lucky? The steelers passed on lacy to draft Bell.
Lacy has played as well as Bell. That would have likely been a wash
We drafted Brown and Sanders in the same draft. Mike Wallace in the 3rd. Martavis Bryant in the 4th. Markus Wheaton in the third. I would say its a little more than luck Gipper.
NO, its luck. Pure and simple. Those guys could have all turned out to be Brian Robiskie and Mohammed Massaquoi just as easily.
But, more accurately, the thing that has made it appear that they are so good is that they have BR throwing to them.
Mike Wallace went to Miami and was mediocre at best. And Sanders left for somewhere...and essentially disappeared.
The Steelers supplement occasional in fa. Mike Mitchell last season, Williams this season. The patriots do the same. The Browns fill 5-7 holes every damn season. Are you unlucky? Or do the browns just draft like sh.it?
So? You think the Steelers have some special magic at drafting? They don't. Their draft picks overall have been worse than the Browns when you look at their overall production. If the Browns fill some holes with FAs, then the Steelers fill holes with untested, unproven rookies.
But, yes, the Browns have drafted like shit....when it comes to first rounders lately....at least when it comes to offensive skill players. (Weeden's/TR etc)
(But they have drafted young good quality people....the Joe Haden's, Joe Thomas, Bitonio etc. etc.)
Your opinions also aren't mostly accurate. You know dick outside the browns and even then your knowledge is rooted pre merger.
My opinions are based on sound fact.....not blind piss and black ignorance and stupidity like yours.
You are clueless to the fact that having a Hall of Fame QB means just about everything in the NFL these days. Yes....it means the difference between 11-5 and 7-9. THAT is an accurate opinion.
You have a good point about the Steelers draft. Jarvis Jones appears to be a fuckin bust...having to compete with a 37 year old James Harrison.
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You have a good point about the Steelers draft. Jarvis Jones appears to be a fuckin bust...having to compete with a 37 year old James Harrison.
Kevin Colbert is 3rd in the league in % of players drafted that went to at least 1 Pro Bowl. The NFL Network just discussed it. That indicates something positive about his draft pick choices wouldn't you agree? This is especially telling considering they typically draft towards the end of every round, at least the back half. Your team typically drafts near the beginning of every round. Where do they rank?
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Lucky? The steelers passed on lacy to draft Bell.
Lacy has played as well as Bell. That would have likely been a wash
We drafted Brown and Sanders in the same draft. Mike Wallace in the 3rd. Martavis Bryant in the 4th. Markus Wheaton in the third. I would say its a little more than luck Gipper.
NO, its luck. Pure and simple. Those guys could have all turned out to be Brian Robiskie and Mohammed Massaquoi just as easily.
But, more accurately, the thing that has made it appear that they are so good is that they have BR throwing to them.
Mike Wallace went to Miami and was mediocre at best. And Sanders left for somewhere...and essentially disappeared.
The Steelers supplement occasional in fa. Mike Mitchell last season, Williams this season. The patriots do the same. The Browns fill 5-7 holes every damn season. Are you unlucky? Or do the browns just draft like sh.it?
So? You think the Steelers have some special magic at drafting? They don't. Their draft picks overall have been worse than the Browns when you look at their overall production. If the Browns fill some holes with FAs, then the Steelers fill holes with untested, unproven rookies.
But, yes, the Browns have drafted like shit....when it comes to first rounders lately....at least when it comes to offensive skill players. (Weeden's/TR etc)
(But they have drafted young good quality people....the Joe Haden's, Joe Thomas, Bitonio etc. etc.)
Your opinions also aren't mostly accurate. You know dick outside the browns and even then your knowledge is rooted pre merger.
My opinions are based on sound fact.....not blind piss and black ignorance and stupidity like yours.
You are clueless to the fact that having a Hall of Fame QB means just about everything in the NFL these days. Yes....it means the difference between 11-5 and 7-9. THAT is an accurate opinion.
Lucky? The steelers passed on lacy to draft Bell.
Lacy has played as well as Bell. That would have likely been a wash
We drafted Brown and Sanders in the same draft. Mike Wallace in the 3rd. Martavis Bryant in the 4th. Markus Wheaton in the third. I would say its a little more than luck Gipper.
NO, its luck. Pure and simple. Those guys could have all turned out to be Brian Robiskie and Mohammed Massaquoi just as easily.
But, more accurately, the thing that has made it appear that they are so good is that they have BR throwing to them.
Mike Wallace went to Miami and was mediocre at best. And Sanders left for somewhere...and essentially disappeared.
The Steelers supplement occasional in fa. Mike Mitchell last season, Williams this season. The patriots do the same. The Browns fill 5-7 holes every damn season. Are you unlucky? Or do the browns just draft like sh.it?
So? You think the Steelers have some special magic at drafting? They don't. Their draft picks overall have been worse than the Browns when you look at their overall production. If the Browns fill some holes with FAs, then the Steelers fill holes with untested, unproven rookies.
But, yes, the Browns have drafted like shit....when it comes to first rounders lately....at least when it comes to offensive skill players. (Weeden's/TR etc)
(But they have drafted young good quality people....the Joe Haden's, Joe Thomas, Bitonio etc. etc.)
Your opinions also aren't mostly accurate. You know dick outside the browns and even then your knowledge is rooted pre merger.
My opinions are based on sound fact.....not blind piss and black ignorance and stupidity like yours.
You are clueless to the fact that having a Hall of Fame QB means just about everything in the NFL these days. Yes....it means the difference between 11-5 and 7-9. THAT is an accurate opinion.
I'll try to be as repectful as I can while understanding you probably try in every post to incite Vag. You cannot continue to claim the Browns draft as well as the Steelers and expect to be taken seriously. It's common knowledge the Browns have not been very good in this department for a long time and it's verifiable. Until the Browns win the division or make the playoffs or hell...even finish with a winning record, you simply cannot argue that the Browns know what they're doing in the draft. Your argument that the Steelers have a HOF qb is obvious, but that doesn't guarantee anything. The Steelers have had Ben for 11 years. They've finished ahead of the Browns every year since 89 give or take. You seem like a smart guy Gipper, but damn you can be pig headed. The Browns have to earn something before you anoint them better than the Steelers at anything. They not better at anything or more talented. To say otherwise is just pure bias.
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