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Its not a matter of knowing Texas, it is a matter of knowing what I like about a destination. There are parts of Texas I both like and don't care for as much. Except for a few things, both Houston and Dallas were completely bland in my opinion. San Antonio and Austin (if you eliminate the traffic) were not....they were very interesting. El Paso was, I don't know....a little too "third world" for my taste....though it had its attributes. I have been to Laredo/Brownsville/Corpus Christie, Waco, Big Bend. I am actually hoping to see some parts of Texas I have not been to....Amarillo, Lubbock, Odessa/Midland, the Panhandle.
Hell, I may have seen more of Texas than you have in my travels. I have even been to Atlanta, Buffalo, Jacksonville....Texas.
Beyond that, if you were not paying attention, my daughter lives there (SA), my brother used to live there (Kerrville...except he left before JMZ was born), my sister in law lives there. I have pretty wide knowledge of the state.
It doesn't matter what you like. We get it, you think Cleveland is the greatest city in the world. It's very apparent. However, to the rest of the world, Cleveland isn't as desirable.
You're throwing out personal opinions like they are some sort of fact.
"Not too many people around think Houston is all that cool of a place to live." "Of the major cities there, most would put Houston at best #3 behind Dallas and San Antonio in terms of desirability" "both Houston and Dallas were completely bland in my opinion."
That's cool that you don't like Houston. Completely acceptable that you have an opinion.
However, Houston IS (much) bigger than Cleveland. Houston IS a (much) bigger media market than Cleveland. Houston was the first city to regain all (and more) of the jobs that it lost during the recession and it IS now the #1 job creating city in America. Houston DOES have the highest percentage of young, college educated kids moving to the city. Houston IS one of the leading cities in America in the energy sector. Houston DOES have the highest average pay in the country (adjusted for cost of living). Houston IS regarded as having some of the finest cuisine in the nation. Houston DID make this list of the top 15 cities for 2015 (Cleveland did not). Houston DID make this list for top 20 coolest cities in 2014 (Cleveland did not). Houston IS America's fastest growing city.
None of those are opinions. Those are facts. Houston blows Cleveland out of the water when it comes to size and desirability.
But Cleveland has a light rail.
It doesn't matter what you like. We get it, you think Cleveland is the greatest city in the world. It's very apparent. However, to the rest of the world, Cleveland isn't as desirable.
You're throwing out personal opinions like they are some sort of fact.
I don't think so....I said, basically that Houston is bland...that is does not have that much to attract me to it. I guess it IS a FACT that that is my opinion...if facts is what you want.
That's cool that you don't like Houston. Completely acceptable that you have an opinion.
However, Houston IS (much) bigger than Cleveland. Houston IS a (much) bigger media market than Cleveland. Houston was the first city to regain all (and more) of the jobs that it lost during the recession and it IS now the #1 job creating city in America. Houston DOES have the highest percentage of young, college educated kids moving to the city. Houston IS one of the leading cities in America in the energy sector. Houston DOES have the highest average pay in the country (adjusted for cost of living). Houston IS regarded as having some of the finest cuisine in the nation. Houston DID make this list of the top 15 cities for 2015 (Cleveland did not). Houston DID make this list for top 20 coolest cities in 2014 (Cleveland did not). Houston IS America's fastest growing city.
It has a lot of people and is getting bigger and it is keeping its job.
Beyond the fact tht it has some good restaurants.....what is it about that that is supposed to attract me to it?
Do you think I need to go there to get a job?
Perhaps my daughter needs to know all that...she will be looking for a job in Texas when she graduates.
It is by no means the coolest city....it is hot swampy and muggy there.
Anyone can make a list.....My Gipper's list is every bit as authoritative as anything you have links to. I have a thread of that nature in the Barber Shop. Maybe I can post a link to it.....and be considered an expert in the area.
In fact...I AM an expert. I have been to every state...48 of them twice or more over (Alaska/S.Dak.).....and of the 125 largest cities in these United States I have been to all but 4 of them: Lubbock, Boise, Spokane, and Amarillo. And if you note I want to try to visit Lubbock and Amarillo this year....in order to increase my knowlege.
None of those are opinions. Those are facts. Houston blows Cleveland out of the water when it comes to size and desirability.
Size, yes, desirability....no. Depends on what you desire. But those lists of what is cool ARE opinions.
But Cleveland has a light rail.
Which is, in fact, a factor that makes a city desirable. Anyone I know makes ease of transportation a factor in what they like. How big of a factor is a matter of personal opinion...but it is a factor.
Edit....another question.....how did you become the self appointed defender of Houston Texas. Don't you live in like Charlotte or somewhere?
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Here is one link:
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texas blows...................tumbleweeds.
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The point is I'm trying to make is...who cares what YOU think. You think Houston is bland and boring and undesirable. Cool, but it doesn't change that a majority of people disagree and that's why Houston is the fastest growing city in America. So it clearly is desirable. I'm sure there's a person out there who believes that East Cowshit County, Alabama is the best place to live in the entire galaxy. Is that a truth for him? Sure. But it doesn't make it true for the population.
Anyone can make a list, you're right. Anyone can do anything. However, the majority of people place more faith in things done or created by experts and professionals than the things done or created by Joe Blow from Kalamazoo. That's why billions of people watch the NFL yet nobody gives a shit about that pickup football game in the park- it's a matter of professionals over amateurs.
If you desire a city that pales in comparison to Houston in basically every livability metric imaginable, then yes...I guess Cleveland is the more desirable city. However, in terms of crime, job rate, housing, culture and essentially every single metric used by market economists, Cleveland doesn't hold a candle to Houston.
I'm the self-appointed defender of logic. When I see things that are illogical, I argue the counterpoint. Unless, of course, I'm the one posing the illogical statements....like my stupid trades or my overhyping of practice squad players like James Davis, Carlton Mitchell and Charles Johnson.
Yes, I live in Charlotte...and that's why I can have an unbiased opinion on this matter. Because neither city compares to Charlotte...who is expected to be the fastest growing city in the world over the next 15 years (according to the United Nations World Urbanization Report).
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I wouldn't necessarily look to the rejection of liberal pipe dreams like light rail as a knock on a city's establishment as "big."
Then you can fucking walk to work.
Then you can fucking walk to work.
Or I can take my own car, like a normal non-welfare individual. The fact that you think those two were the only options makes me question all your opinions on this thread.
Austin is a liberal haven and even we don't have full light rail.
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Austin is supposed to be a nice place to retire. I've been thinking about Corpus Christi in year or two.
Austin's traffic is now terrible. Worse than San Antonio. Austin has really grown too quickly for its breeches.
Twenty years ago it was a super cool...mid size college town. Now it too is becoming a mess. Probably not as bad as Houston. The area around Austin is much more interesting. Houston is basically a flat swamp.
Houston has traffic but it will move 60+ even during rush hour. Everything flows. Austin traffic is that open the door and see gum clearly on a major highway kinda traffic. It's bad.Austin's traffic is now terrible. Worse than San Antonio. Austin has really grown too quickly for its breeches.
Twenty years ago it was a super cool...mid size college town. Now it too is becoming a mess. Probably not as bad as Houston. The area around Austin is much more interesting. Houston is basically a flat swamp.
Also, Austin is the most "desirable" city in Texas. But for my money, it's the most overrated city I can think of. Dallas is the coolest city in Texas (outside of College Station of course). NO ONE without Mexican background likes San Antonio. Not more than Houston. Not more than Dallas. Certainly not more than Austin. San Antonio blows.
And yes austin did grow too quickly. The dumbass city administrators basically believed "if we don't build it, they won't come." Been a complete failure so far.
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The point is I'm trying to make is...who cares what YOU think. You think Houston is bland and boring and undesirable. Cool, but it doesn't change that a majority of people disagree and that's why Houston is the fastest growing city in America. So it clearly is desirable. I'm sure there's a person out there who believes that East Cowshit County, Alabama is the best place to live in the entire galaxy. Is that a truth for him? Sure. But it doesn't make it true for the population.
Anyone can make a list, you're right. Anyone can do anything. However, the majority of people place more faith in things done or created by experts and professionals than the things done or created by Joe Blow from Kalamazoo. That's why billions of people watch the NFL yet nobody gives a shit about that pickup football game in the park- it's a matter of professionals over amateurs.
If you desire a city that pales in comparison to Houston in basically every livability metric imaginable, then yes...I guess Cleveland is the more desirable city. However, in terms of crime, job rate, housing, culture and essentially every single metric used by market economists, Cleveland doesn't hold a candle to Houston.
I'm the self-appointed defender of logic. When I see things that are illogical, I argue the counterpoint. Unless, of course, I'm the one posing the illogical statements....like my stupid trades or my overhyping of practice squad players like James Davis, Carlton Mitchell and Charles Johnson.
Yes, I live in Charlotte...and that's why I can have an unbiased opinion on this matter. Because neither city compares to Charlotte...who is expected to be the fastest growing city in the world over the next 15 years (according to the United Nations World Urbanization Report).
The point is I'm trying to make is...who cares what YOU think.
More people than care what you think...because I do the travel thing as an avocation.
You think Houston is bland and boring and undesirable. Cool, but it doesn't change that a majority of people disagree and that's why Houston is the fastest growing city in America. So it clearly is desirable. I'm sure there's a person out there who believes that East Cowshit County, Alabama is the best place to live in the entire galaxy. Is that a truth for him? Sure. But it doesn't make it true for the population.
Money is what makes Houston "desirable". If you call working in the refineries and living in a mobile home desirable.
That does not put it at the top of many 'best travel destinations" list.
Anyone can make a list, you're right. Anyone can do anything. However, the majority of people place more faith in things done or created by experts and professionals than the things done or created by Joe Blow from Kalamazoo.
Well, as I said....I AM an Expert.
That's why billions of people watch the NFL yet nobody gives a shit about that pickup football game in the park- it's a matter of professionals over amateurs.
If you desire a city that pales in comparison to Houston in basically every livability metric imaginable, then yes...I guess Cleveland is the more desirable city. However, in terms of crime, job rate, housing, culture and essentially every single metric used by market economists, Cleveland doesn't hold a candle to Houston.
I would have to analyze that one.
The last one of those I did analyze said that San Diego was more livable than Cleveland...and it gave some of the same factors you note: crime, unemployment, congestion, cost of living, even success of sports teams. In 11 categories, Cleveland came out better.....the only one San Diego was better than Cleveland? Winter weather......and because of that it gave SD the overall edge. (their conclusions totally ignored their own findings on those things.) So, I don't know about Houston and how it would compare. You would need to show that data....as from experience I have to be skeptical
I'm the self-appointed defender of logic. When I see things that are illogical, I argue the counterpoint. Unless, of course, I'm the one posing the illogical statements....like my stupid trades or my overhyping of practice squad players like James Davis, Carlton Mitchell and Charles Johnson.
Well, I don't think I ever said that I applied logic to this Houston thing. I was not really applying living standard metrics. I was simply saying that from my observations and experience Houston had little to attract me as a travel destination. It seemed to have new tall buildings....but nothing that stood out architecturally. I am sure that it has the museums/orchestras/zoos/botanical gardens etc.that all big cities have.
The one thing I did get to was the San Jacinto Battle Monument. Of course, being Texas, they felt compelled to build it a few feet taller than the Washington Monument (575 vs. 555 ft.).
A couple of things I did not get to that I may have liked to see were the NASA Space Center and the Astrodome.
But, overall, it rates low on my list of interesting cities. The likes of San Diego/San Fran/Seattle/Portland/Denver/SA/Boston/Phlly/NYC/Chicago/Miami...and many others (even Charlotte) come out ahead on my list than Houston does.
Yes, I live in Charlotte...and that's why I can have an unbiased opinion on this matter. Because neither city compares to Charlotte...who is expected to be the fastest growing city in the world over the next 15 years (according to the United Nations World Urbanization Report).
Things change. They said similar things about Cleveland in 1965. But, sure, Charlotte is OK.
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Then you can fucking walk to work.
Or I can take my own car, like a normal non-welfare individual. The fact that you think those two were the only options makes me question all your opinions on this thread.
Austin is a liberal haven and even we don't have full light rail.
Or I can take my own car, like a normal non-welfare individual. The fact that you think those two were the only options makes me question all your opinions on this thread.
Austin is a liberal haven and even we don't have full light rail.
WTF does "liberal" or conservative have to do with it. Are you some right wing paranoid-schizophrenic that sees "liberals" jumping out at you from every bush telling you to give them your money?
Jesus, get help.....maybe even from Jesus.
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That can't be a serious question. Liberals get off to light rail. Conservatives rightly view ownership of the car as one of the most American things you can do. They view light rail as a general massive waste of money. It's pretty simple.
"WTF does liberal or conservative have to do with it." Lol
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Houston has traffic but it will move 60+ even during rush hour. Everything flows. Austin traffic is that open the door and see gum clearly on a major highway kinda traffic. It's bad.Austin's traffic is now terrible. Worse than San Antonio. Austin has really grown too quickly for its breeches.
Twenty years ago it was a super cool...mid size college town. Now it too is becoming a mess. Probably not as bad as Houston. The area around Austin is much more interesting. Houston is basically a flat swamp.
Also, Austin is the most "desirable" city in Texas. But for my money, it's the most overrated city I can think of. Dallas is the coolest city in Texas (outside of College Station of course). NO ONE without Mexican background likes San Antonio. Not more than Houston. Not more than Dallas. Certainly not more than Austin. San Antonio blows.
And yes austin did grow too quickly. The dumbass city administrators basically believed "if we don't build it, they won't come." Been a complete failure so far.
Houston has traffic but it will move 60+ even during rush hour. Everything flows. Austin traffic is that open the door and see gum clearly on a major highway kinda traffic. It's bad.
Also, Austin is the most "desirable" city in Texas. But for my money, it's the most overrated city I can think of. Dallas is the coolest city in Texas (outside of College Station of course). NO ONE without Mexican background likes San Antonio. Not more than Houston. Not more than Dallas. Certainly not more than Austin. San Antonio blows.
Well, I don't believe that....my family doesn't believe that, and none of us have Mexican backgrounds. We are White GaelicSaxon Lapsed Catholic Lutherans. But, I will tell you the truth...though my daughter may want to settle there, I do not want to retire there....even though my wife may want that.
And yes austin did grow too quickly. The dumbass city administrators basically believed "if we don't build it, they won't come." Been a complete failure so far.
I-35 is awful...but when you get into the circular bypasses the traffic seems to flow OK.
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You guys are the exception. No one likes SA. Hell, even Charles Barkley made fun of SA women.
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LOL. Bottom line is live where you want to live. Who cares what someone else thinks. Its you who will have to live there.
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and some people don't like dust and sand 12 months a year or god forbid when there happens to be inclement weather (like snow) maybe it'd be nice if people knew how to 'drive' to work without causing a 24 car pile up.
houston yeah it must be great to drive to work there. watch out for the armadillos and the illegals.
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That can't be a serious question. Liberals get off to light rail. Conservatives rightly view ownership of the car as one of the most American things you can do. They view light rail as a general massive waste of money. It's pretty simple.
"WTF does liberal or conservative have to do with it." Lol
That can't be a serious question. Liberals get off to light rail. Conservatives rightly view ownership of the car as one of the most American things you can do. They view light rail as a general massive waste of money. It's pretty simple.
"WTF does liberal or conservative have to do with it." Lol
Many, most people do NOT want to put up with traffic and to pay exorbitant parking rates in cities like Boston, NY, Philly, DC, Toronto, Chicago, San Fran, and other places.
You can take your car to work in those towns.....and pay the consequences. It is a lot less hassle..and much less expensive to take the rail. I didn't know that "conservatives" like throwing their money away and being stressed out.
I took the light rail to work/school every day when I lived in Cleveland. It sure was convenient and inexpensive compared to taking the car.
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Well the amount of ignorance in that post discredited any legitimate posts you had to make. Armadillos in the road in Houston. Sure buddy. Now I can't argue with the illegals comment.
You guys have blackouts and cancel school when the temp hits 100. So give me a break on driving in snow.
But we don't have 8 million people. Not even close. So that's a pretty irrelevant example. Thanks for trying anyway. E for effort.
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You guys are the exception. No one likes SA. Hell, even Charles Barkley made fun of SA women.
You guys are the exception. No one likes SA. Hell, even Charles Barkley made fun of SA women.
OK, let me qualify.....I have liked visiting SA....better than I like visiting Houston or Dallas or El Paso.
If there is something about living there that sucks so bad, that is not within my experience.
And my daughter is now an SA woman....so you and Charles Barkley better watch what the fuck you say.
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That can't be a serious question. Liberals get off to light rail. Conservatives rightly view ownership of the car as one of the most American things you can do. They view light rail as a general massive waste of money. It's pretty simple.
"WTF does liberal or conservative have to do with it." Lol
Many, most people do NOT want to put up with traffic and to pay exorbitant parking rates in cities like Boston, NY, Philly, DC, Toronto, Chicago, San Fran, and other places.
You can take your car to work in those towns.....and pay the consequences. It is a lot less hassle..and much less expensive to take the rail. I didn't know that "conservatives" like throwing their money away and being stressed out.
I took the light rail to work/school every day when I lived in Cleveland. It sure was convenient and inexpensive compared to taking the car.
Many, most people do NOT want to put up with traffic and to pay exorbitant parking rates in cities like Boston, NY, Philly, DC, Toronto, Chicago, San Fran, and other places.
You can take your car to work in those towns.....and pay the consequences. It is a lot less hassle..and much less expensive to take the rail. I didn't know that "conservatives" like throwing their money away and being stressed out.
I took the light rail to work/school every day when I lived in Cleveland. It sure was convenient and inexpensive compared to taking the car.
It's an embarrassment to take the bus down here. Just the way it is. And, like I said, Houston has good traffic flow (so does Dallas) so I doubt it's a move they care to make any time soon.
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Well the amount of ignorance in that post discredited any legitimate posts you had to make. Armadillos in the road in Houston. Sure buddy. Now I can't argue with the illegals comment.
You guys have blackouts and cancel school when the temp hits 100. So give me a break on driving in snow.
But we don't have 8 million people. Not even close. So that's a pretty irrelevant example. Thanks for trying anyway. E for effort.
Well the amount of ignorance in that post discredited any legitimate posts you had to make. Armadillos in the road in Houston. Sure buddy. Now I can't argue with the illegals comment.
You guys have blackouts and cancel school when the temp hits 100. So give me a break on driving in snow.
But we don't have 8 million people. Not even close. So that's a pretty irrelevant example. Thanks for trying anyway. E for effort.
You need to quote which post you are replying to....so that the rest of us can follow along.
But from my source, the Houston Metro area has 6.375 million.
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That can't be a serious question. Liberals get off to light rail. Conservatives rightly view ownership of the car as one of the most American things you can do. They view light rail as a general massive waste of money. It's pretty simple.
"WTF does liberal or conservative have to do with it." Lol
That can't be a serious question. Liberals get off to light rail. Conservatives rightly view ownership of the car as one of the most American things you can do. They view light rail as a general massive waste of money. It's pretty simple.
"WTF does liberal or conservative have to do with it." Lol
And they're also stupid. So that makes sense.
The point is I'm trying to make is...who cares what YOU think.
More people than care what you think...because I do the travel thing as an avocation.
You think Houston is bland and boring and undesirable. Cool, but it doesn't change that a majority of people disagree and that's why Houston is the fastest growing city in America. So it clearly is desirable. I'm sure there's a person out there who believes that East Cowshit County, Alabama is the best place to live in the entire galaxy. Is that a truth for him? Sure. But it doesn't make it true for the population.
Money is what makes Houston "desirable". If you call working in the refineries and living in a mobile home desirable.
That does not put it at the top of many 'best travel destinations" list.
Anyone can make a list, you're right. Anyone can do anything. However, the majority of people place more faith in things done or created by experts and professionals than the things done or created by Joe Blow from Kalamazoo.
Well, as I said....I AM an Expert.
That's why billions of people watch the NFL yet nobody gives a shit about that pickup football game in the park- it's a matter of professionals over amateurs.
If you desire a city that pales in comparison to Houston in basically every livability metric imaginable, then yes...I guess Cleveland is the more desirable city. However, in terms of crime, job rate, housing, culture and essentially every single metric used by market economists, Cleveland doesn't hold a candle to Houston.
I would have to analyze that one.
The last one of those I did analyze said that San Diego was more livable than Cleveland...and it gave some of the same factors you note: crime, unemployment, congestion, cost of living, even success of sports teams. In 11 categories, Cleveland came out better.....the only one San Diego was better than Cleveland? Winter weather......and because of that it gave SD the overall edge. (their conclusions totally ignored their own findings on those things.) So, I don't know about Houston and how it would compare. You would need to show that data....as from experience I have to be skeptical
I'm the self-appointed defender of logic. When I see things that are illogical, I argue the counterpoint. Unless, of course, I'm the one posing the illogical statements....like my stupid trades or my overhyping of practice squad players like James Davis, Carlton Mitchell and Charles Johnson.
Well, I don't think I ever said that I applied logic to this Houston thing. I was not really applying living standard metrics. I was simply saying that from my observations and experience Houston had little to attract me as a travel destination. It seemed to have new tall buildings....but nothing that stood out architecturally. I am sure that it has the museums/orchestras/zoos/botanical gardens etc.that all big cities have.
The one thing I did get to was the San Jacinto Battle Monument. Of course, being Texas, they felt compelled to build it a few feet taller than the Washington Monument (575 vs. 555 ft.).
A couple of things I did not get to that I may have liked to see were the NASA Space Center and the Astrodome.
But, overall, it rates low on my list of interesting cities. The likes of San Diego/San Fran/Seattle/Portland/Denver/SA/Boston/Phlly/NYC/Chicago/Miami...and many others (even Charlotte) come out ahead on my list than Houston does.
Yes, I live in Charlotte...and that's why I can have an unbiased opinion on this matter. Because neither city compares to Charlotte...who is expected to be the fastest growing city in the world over the next 15 years (according to the United Nations World Urbanization Report).
Things change. They said similar things about Cleveland in 1965. But, sure, Charlotte is OK.
Sure, if that makes you happy at night...more people care about what you think than what I think. Have a field day with it, buddy.
I'd love to see some stats backing up your mobile home/refineries claim. Is it because Houston is number one in energy and also in the South? Okay, that's a relatively easy gap to bridge...except you're not factoring in the fact they have the most college graduates, the highest average salary, and the second most Fortune 500 companies (behind NYC). I doubt there are very many college graduates who work for Fortune 500 companies and make, on average, $75k a year that live in mobile homes.
A self-proclaimed expert doesn't make you an actual expert. Vacationing in cities doesn't make you an expert. Being an economist, studying varying real estate market trends, and livability indices makes you an expert.
You claim to be "applying living standard metrics" yet you can't refute the claim that Houston overwhelmingly outranks Cleveland in every single livability metric. So, which is it?
Houston isn't interesting to you. It's dull, it's bland. It doesn't compare to any city you've visited. That's all well and good. It's still overwhelmingly favored by the masses and a much more widely loved city than Cleveland.
Now, I'm done with this...unless you can provide real, quantifiable statistics to refute anything I've said.
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