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Stop the Quest for the Holy QB.

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  • S SkippinTurtles wrote on
    #1

    They don't exist Finding a franchise QB is next to impossible The Seahawks are a banged-up secondary and horrid play call away from going back-to-back. With an RB driven offense. Even Russell Wilson is now questionable. You can win with a competent QB, great running game and an Elite D.

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT 1 Reply
  • W wargograw wrote on
    #2

    What do you mean Russell Wilson is questionable?

  • S SkippinTurtles wrote on
    #3

    Russell Wilson is competent. He should have audibled.

    W FlugelF 2 Replies
  • ComeonmanC Comeonman wrote on
    #4

    We're not looking for a "holy QB". We're looking for a QB that can maintain a QBR above 5

  • S SkippinTurtles

    They don't exist Finding a franchise QB is next to impossible The Seahawks are a banged-up secondary and horrid play call away from going back-to-back. With an RB driven offense. Even Russell Wilson is now questionable. You can win with a competent QB, great running game and an Elite D.

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #5

    @skippinturtles said:

    They don't exist Finding a franchise QB is next to impossible The Seahawks are a banged-up secondary and horrid play call away from going back-to-back. With an RB driven offense. Even Russell Wilson is now questionable. You can win with a competent QB, great running game and an Elite D.

    Brady - Wilson

    Wilson - Manning

    Flacco - Kaepernick

    E. Manning - Brady

    Rodgers - Roethlisberger

    Brees - Manning

    Roethlisberger - Warner

    E. Manning - Brady

    Hm. Seems to me like "being a top 10 QB" and "Super Bowl appearance" kind of go hand-in-hand.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
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  • W wargograw wrote on
    #6

    FWIW, I wouldn't put Eli, Flacco, Kaepernick (duh), or Wilson in the top 10.

    mohicanM Tour2maT 2 Replies
  • S SkippinTurtles

    Russell Wilson is competent. He should have audibled.

    W wargograw wrote on
    #7

    @skippinturtles said:

    Russell Wilson is competent. He should have audibled.

    I have no idea what you're attempting to say. Are you saying Russell Wilson is only average?

  • S SkippinTurtles wrote on
    #8

    You said Wilson isn't top 10. We agree. He's a good QB. Not handing the ball to Lynch at the 1 was pussy. Audible, bitch.

    WalterWhiteW 1 Reply
  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @skippinturtles said:

    They don't exist Finding a franchise QB is next to impossible The Seahawks are a banged-up secondary and horrid play call away from going back-to-back. With an RB driven offense. Even Russell Wilson is now questionable. You can win with a competent QB, great running game and an Elite D.

    Brady - Wilson

    Wilson - Manning

    Flacco - Kaepernick

    E. Manning - Brady

    Rodgers - Roethlisberger

    Brees - Manning

    Roethlisberger - Warner

    E. Manning - Brady

    Hm. Seems to me like "being a top 10 QB" and "Super Bowl appearance" kind of go hand-in-hand.

    S SkippinTurtles wrote on
    #9

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Brady - Wilson

    Wilson - Manning

    Flacco - Kaepernick

    E. Manning - Brady

    Rodgers - Roethlisberger

    Brees - Manning

    Roethlisberger - Warner

    E. Manning - Brady

    Hm. Seems to me like "being a top 10 QB" and "Super Bowl appearance" kind of go hand-in-hand.

    Having a franchise QB is ideal. If one falls in your lap, perfect. But it probably won't happen. Brady is the only one on this list who played for a dynasty. And that team had one of the best defenses ever. Brady was a game manager for his first 3 rings. Keeping your defense great is more realistic than finding a franchise QB. The Seahawks blew a chance at a dynasty.

  • S SkippinTurtles

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    Brady - Wilson

    Wilson - Manning

    Flacco - Kaepernick

    E. Manning - Brady

    Rodgers - Roethlisberger

    Brees - Manning

    Roethlisberger - Warner

    E. Manning - Brady

    Hm. Seems to me like "being a top 10 QB" and "Super Bowl appearance" kind of go hand-in-hand.

    Having a franchise QB is ideal. If one falls in your lap, perfect. But it probably won't happen. Brady is the only one on this list who played for a dynasty. And that team had one of the best defenses ever. Brady was a game manager for his first 3 rings. Keeping your defense great is more realistic than finding a franchise QB. The Seahawks blew a chance at a dynasty.

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #10

    @skippinturtles said:

    Having a franchise QB is ideal. If one falls in your lap, perfect. But it probably won't happen. Brady is the only one on this list who played for a dynasty. And that team had one of the best defenses ever. Brady was a game manager for his first 3 rings. Keeping your defense great is more realistic than finding a franchise QB. The Seahawks blew a chance at a dynasty.

    This....just....this.

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  • W wargograw wrote on
    #11

    The logic I'm taking away from that post is that any system that results in anything less than a dynasty is not necessarily a good one.

    Therefore despite otherwise very good results that don't technically count as dynastic per se (such as Roethlisberger and Eli's two rings and the Super Bowl wins of every other QB on that list save Kaepernick), these sub-dynasty methods don't serve as a guideline for an NFL franchise. Tell me where I'm wrong.

  • darren15D darren15 wrote on
    #12

    If we are looking for a holy ILB look no further

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1824781/trey-depriest

  • S SkippinTurtles

    Russell Wilson is competent. He should have audibled.

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on
    #13

    @skippinturtles said:

    Russell Wilson is competent. He should have audibled.

    I think guy with the crack pipe in this one was the one with the idea "hey let's throw a quick slant into a congested goal line defense." They had about 1-2 yards to go with Lynch in the backfield. If you're gonna throw a pass and you have a 6'4" WR that NE corners had trouble with all day - you throw him a fade away from congestion... This way the clock stops on an incomplete. Meanwhile you keep possession so you can score the TD with Lynch on the next play or the one after that if necessary.

    Read/heard the following:

    Wilson is always the first one in the bldg and the last to leave it.

    Nobody watches more film than him

    Teammates say he eats, sleeps and drinks football almost to a fault

    He's an actions speak louder than words type of leader

    Pocket presence role model (thanks in large to his weekly preparation)

    Nothing frazzles him for long if at all (ie: how many QBs could have shaken off the miserable 1st 3 quarters he had vrs GB only to lead his team back to victory?)

    The thing I like best about Russell Wilson is he's a recent enough reminder that you don't have to reach for the wrong guys in round 1 if you let the talent come to you in the right round (or closer to the projection). That was the same draft we felt desperate enough to burn a #22 overall on a 29 year old QB. We've been reaching on the wrong QBs in round 1 since trading Paul Warfield for the #3 overall to draft Mike Phipps. The only one we got right (Kosar) was in a supplemental draft. I actually loved the idea of Couch and even giving him KJ in 1999; but the commitments to him after that left a lot to be desired.

    TODAY, we have a strong line to run the ball with - plus a pass protection anchored by a blind side LT with 8 Pro Bowls on his resume. We have a good SLOT WR and we added 2 reliable FA WRs. It would be nice if we could draft Petty in round 2 or 3 rather than reaching all the way up to 19 given our history of reaching on QBs. I know there's philosophies that say if he's your man then you go Irish mentality with swing first and ask questions later. What FO guy had to ask why he was getting his walking papers here? Therefore, we can also conclude God invented whiskey to prevent the Irish from ruling the world and certain households. Ooops, gotta go before the Warden breaks out her whistle...

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
  • S SkippinTurtles

    You said Wilson isn't top 10. We agree. He's a good QB. Not handing the ball to Lynch at the 1 was pussy. Audible, bitch.

    WalterWhiteW WalterWhite wrote on
    #14

    @skippinturtles said:

    You said Wilson isn't top 10. We agree. He's a good QB. Not handing the ball to Lynch at the 1 was pussy. Audible, bitch.

    Oh shut the fuck up you mouth breathing fucking arm chair coach. How easy is it of you to sit your fatass on your couch and dissect every play call or decision?

    Russell Wilson has been in the NFL for 3 years and already been to 2 Super Bowls, and won 1 of them.

    He's been consistently one of the best rated passers and handled the job as well as anyone.

    Russell Wilson was considered by most "experts" too short to start at the NFL level and 3-5th round prospect who would make a quality back up.

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  • Z Zombo wrote on
    #15

    Back to your original post ... did you mean to say "quit looking for a franchise QB" and "Russell Wilson is questionable".

    Because if you did ... congratulations, you now own MRPE*

    Zombo

    --*Most Retarded Post Ever

  • W wargograw

    FWIW, I wouldn't put Eli, Flacco, Kaepernick (duh), or Wilson in the top 10.

    mohicanM mohican wrote on
    #16

    @wargograw said:

    FWIW, I wouldn't put Eli, Flacco, Kaepernick (duh), or Wilson in the top 10.

    Eli Manning manages to at least look better in the playoffs and the Superbowl than regular season games. You could say that he's a better big game QB than his brother....

    Hope has two beautiful daughters: Their names are Anger and Courage. Anger that things are the way they are. Courage to make them the way they ought to be. - St. Augustine. Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their vision. - Ayn Rand
  • W wargograw

    FWIW, I wouldn't put Eli, Flacco, Kaepernick (duh), or Wilson in the top 10.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #17

    @wargograw said:

    FWIW, I wouldn't put Eli, Flacco, Kaepernick (duh), or Wilson in the top 10.

    Overall... maybe not, but in his list of SB QB match ups over the past 8 years the QBs listed delivered top ten performances... even Kaepernick.

    I think that was TC's point.

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  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #18

    Tim Tebow is the Holy QB.

    I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride
  • nickersN nickers wrote on
    #19

    No QB.. No SB.. it's that simple,, I'm well aware of the Brad Johnsons,Mike Hostetlers and Trent Dilfers of the world. They're few and far between. Id take Eli Manning in a minute. I don't care what anyone says.. He wins SB's.

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #20

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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