STALLWORTH UPDATE
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Maybe he was going to fast to stop . He better be clean on the screen or he is in deep doo-doo
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No doubt he needs to be clean. If what he says about the time line on when he was drinking...even if he is off a couple of hours and it was 2 am...5 hours is enough time for him to drop down well below any illegal level, and almost in to the non-existent level.(assuming the quantities mentioned are pretty accurate and he wasn't just shithammered)
Now, if illegal substances are found, well that is an entirely different matter, but the fact he was released bodes well for him.
The cops wouldn't have released him if he showed visible signs of being impaired.. They would have booked and charged him
Also, charging him with a OVI after the fact with traces of alcohol would be a hard burden to prove at this point since the investigating officers would really need to be the ones to make that call.
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I don't think it would be hard to charge him with OVI at all. They have his blood. If it did in fact come back positive for ANY substance they can slap him with the charges.
Obviously I don't think he went all "Rip Torn" on them or they would have in fact detained him. Not to mention I'm sure his lawyer was there pretty quick making sure his client was released.
I can hear the soap opera music in my head ...."And so are the Days of Our Lives"..... cue laundry soap commercial.
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here's a thought that just occured to me.... yes, it takes a while....
I've heard ZERO about a breathalyzer test...
You were in an accident. You hit a pedestrian. You admitted to consuming alcohol the night before (You're a few million richer, who wouldn't). I understand they drew blood, but no breathalyzer ? That's got lawyer written all over it.
Wonder which call went out first.... his attorney or 911
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PROSECUTORS POISED TO CHARGE STALLWORTH WITH DUI
Posted by Mike Florio on March 14, 2009, 6:47 p.m.
As authorities in South Florida wait for the results of a blood draw performed on Browns receiver Donte’ Stallworth, a source with knowledge of the investigation tells us that prosecutors are preparing an indictment for DUI manslaughter, under the assumption that the results will show that Stallworth’s blood alcohol content exceeded the legal limit of 0.08 percent when he collided with a pedestrian, who later died.
Per the source, Stallworth admitted to drinking at least four Patrons and two Margaritas. A separate source called that information “basically right,” but added that Stallworth contends he had his last drink at midnight. The incident occurred after 7:00 a.m. local time.
We’re also told that Stallworth claimed in his statement to police that he saw the man crossing the street from a distance, and flashed the high beams and honked the horn of the Bentley he was driving. Apparently, there’s an issue as to whether Stallworth could have taken evasive action because of a barrier along the median.
We’re told that Stallworth is badly shaken by the news that the pedestrian had died.
And, frankly, he should be. Apart from the fact that he was involved in an accident that claimed a man’s life, Stallworth could be facing serious criminal liability, if the pending test reveals an impermissibly high concentration of alcohol in his blood.
PROSECUTORS POISED TO CHARGE STALLWORTH WITH DUI
Posted by Mike Florio on March 14, 2009, 6:47 p.m.
We’re also told that Stallworth claimed in his statement to police that he saw the man crossing the street from a distance, and flashed the high beams and honked the horn of the Bentley he was driving. Apparently, there’s an issue as to whether Stallworth could have taken evasive action because of a barrier along the median.
Slowing down might have been an even better option if this is true
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oldcow1945 said:
Did you ever think there is a time for levity and there are times where levity is tastless?Poor Judgement was used in your post.
Not exactly sure how a joke about Stallworth not earning his signing bonus turned into a moral crusade, but spare us all the preaching. Nobody joked about anyone dying at all so get over yourselves.
PS when someone like cal agrees with your assessment of morality, you know you've turned the self-righteousness scale up to eleven.
mz. said:
Not exactly sure how a joke about Stallworth not earning his signing bonus turned into a moral crusade, but spare us all the preaching. Nobody joked about anyone dying at all so get over yourselves.PS when someone like cal agrees with your assessment of morality, you know you've turned the self-righteousness scale up to eleven.
The main point of your joke was not the bonus. It was about partying because of it. Your attempt to lesson your complete lack of taste during a sad situation doesn't wash. It amazes me how people will never admit when they were wrong or may have stepped over the line. It makes you look even worse. Now you are tastless and heartless.
You belong with KCrane, our favorite Steeler fan.
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I don't think it would be hard to charge him with OVI at all. They have his blood. If it did in fact come back positive for ANY substance they can slap him with the charges.
Obviously I don't think he went all "Rip Torn" on them or they would have in fact detained him. Not to mention I'm sure his lawyer was there pretty quick making sure his client was released.
I can hear the soap opera music in my head ...."And so are the Days of Our Lives"..... cue laundry soap commercial.
I don't think it would be hard to charge him with OVI at all. They have his blood. If it did in fact come back positive for ANY substance they can slap him with the charges.
Illegal substance. Alcohol isn't illegal.
.04...half the legal limit is where a lesser charge could be levied, so if he was .01 or something in that range, it won't happen.
By accounts, he had at least 7 hours to sober up. The normal person pretty much clears a drink a hour.
He said he had 3 beers and a margarita the night before. He cleared that amount in 7 hours. Even if he drank double that amount, he would only show trace amounts....now if the time he stopped was more like 2am....it might be a problem if the amounts he said were higher.....he might start pushing that halfway point.
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We’re also told that Stallworth claimed in his statement to police that he saw the man crossing the street from a distance, and flashed the high beams and honked the horn of the Bentley he was driving.
If I were crossing the road and an approaching car flashed it's high beams at me, that would indicate to me that the driver has seen me, and acknowledged me, and was a signal that it was ok to cross.
If you had time to flash lights, honk horn, you'd think one would have time to stop or slow down enough as to not cause a fatality.
Sign Holt.
If I were crossing the road and an approaching car flashed it's high beams at me, that would indicate to me that the driver has seen me, and acknowledged me, and was a signal that it was ok to cross.
If you had time to flash lights, honk horn, you'd think one would have time to stop or slow down enough as to not cause a fatality.
Sign Holt.
Ate, I use to subscribe to the same train of thought. Then I spent several years working in a different city then the one I grew up in and let me tell you, in Youngstown, when someone flashes their high beams at you it means, "I'm coming through!" The high beam flash is meant for YOU to see THEM. It's not, "Go ahead, I see you." It's, "Hey, jackass! Do you not see me barreling down the road here?!?!"
A high beam flash translates differently in different places, and it is NOT always combined with a vehicle automatically slowing down. Think of it as the equivalent to a train blowing it's airhorn.
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Oh puh-lease. mz the pussy whiffed on his attempt at levity, but he's struck comedic gold plenty a time in the past. I think we can afford to cut him some slack.
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here's a thought that just occured to me.... yes, it takes a while....
I've heard ZERO about a breathalyzer test...
You were in an accident. You hit a pedestrian. You admitted to consuming alcohol the night before (You're a few million richer, who wouldn't). I understand they drew blood, but no breathalyzer ? That's got lawyer written all over it.
Wonder which call went out first.... his attorney or 911
here's a thought that just occured to me.... yes, it takes a while....
I've heard ZERO about a breathalyzer test...
You were in an accident. You hit a pedestrian. You admitted to consuming alcohol the night before (You're a few million richer, who wouldn't). I understand they drew blood, but no breathalyzer ? That's got lawyer written all over it.
Wonder which call went out first.... his attorney or 911
Not sure what the laws are in Florida, but I'm pretty sure that in some states you can refuse a breathalyzer by opting to give a blood sample instead. My guess is that his liar advised him to do so...buying him a little more time for anything that may be in his system to filter out.
"I like to quote myself." -Me -
Sounds like extreme high speed and looking down to change the cd. He saw the guy, flashed his lights, but didn't slow down to avoid any problem?
Sounds like negligent homicide, ... if true, get the bonus back and can him. He's had a history of auto stuff before.
I was trying to wait, like maybe the person ran out from in between parked cars... but this "saw him at a distance" is bad.
Very tragic for the family of the guy who got killed. He knows that area well, apparently, and wasn't expecting a Bentley to be going
120 and thought he could cross, maybe.
We'll see more info later.
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I don't think it would be hard to charge him with OVI at all. They have his blood. If it did in fact come back positive for ANY substance they can slap him with the charges.
Illegal substance. Alcohol isn't illegal.
.04...half the legal limit is where a lesser charge could be levied, so if he was .01 or something in that range, it won't happen.
By accounts, he had at least 7 hours to sober up. The normal person pretty much clears a drink a hour.
He said he had 3 beers and a margarita the night before. He cleared that amount in 7 hours. Even if he drank double that amount, he would only show trace amounts....now if the time he stopped was more like 2am....it might be a problem if the amounts he said were higher.....he might start pushing that halfway point.
Illegal substance. Alcohol isn't illegal.
.04...half the legal limit is where a lesser charge could be levied, so if he was .01 or something in that range, it won't happen.
By accounts, he had at least 7 hours to sober up. The normal person pretty much clears a drink a hour.
He said he had 3 beers and a margarita the night before. He cleared that amount in 7 hours. Even if he drank double that amount, he would only show trace amounts....now if the time he stopped was more like 2am....it might be a problem if the amounts he said were higher.....he might start pushing that halfway point.
I know alcohol isn't illegal.
I thought they said he admitted to about four patrons and margaritas (one or two, don't remember).
I don't know how they do it in Florida but don't be surprised if they slap him with an OVI even if his BAC is under the legal limit. That's just a starting point. Plea bargains and lesser charges come later.
And let's be honest, how many of us have ever been completely truthful when telling the arresting officer how much we had to drink and when? I know I wasn't.
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Ask yourself this . How many people are truthful when asked how many drinks they have consumed ? I think it is a joke to take anyones word for the amount of alcohol they have consumed . Hell they probably lose track very soon .
Better just wait on the report . If he has any drugs in him it will show in a day or two .
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Sounds like extreme high speed and looking down to change the cd. He saw the guy, flashed his lights, but didn't slow down to avoid any problem?
Sounds like negligent homicide, ... if true, get the bonus back and can him. He's had a history of auto stuff before.
I was trying to wait, like maybe the person ran out from in between parked cars... but this "saw him at a distance" is bad.
Very tragic for the family of the guy who got killed. He knows that area well, apparently, and wasn't expecting a Bentley to be going
120 and thought he could cross, maybe.
We'll see more info later.
Sounds like extreme high speed and looking down to change the cd. He saw the guy, flashed his lights, but didn't slow down to avoid any problem?
Sounds like negligent homicide, ... if true, get the bonus back and can him. He's had a history of auto stuff before.
I was trying to wait, like maybe the person ran out from in between parked cars... but this "saw him at a distance" is bad.
Very tragic for the family of the guy who got killed. He knows that area well, apparently, and wasn't expecting a Bentley to be going
120 and thought he could cross, maybe.
We'll see more info later.
I considered speed too, but if you see the video someone posted earlier in this thread, the Bentley doesn't look like it's more than 50 feet or so from where the shoe is sitting ( I could be wrong... not the best at guessing distances, or speeds for that matter).
I don't know that you would be able to see any skid marks from that particular camera angle but I didn't see any. Not sure at this point if the brakes were applied with any kind of force that would indicate a last second, "Oh $h!t!!"
But changing a cd or texting is a very real scenario at this time.
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Oh puh-lease. mz the pussy whiffed on his attempt at levity, but he's struck comedic gold plenty a time in the past. I think we can afford to cut him some slack.
Aloysius said:
Oh puh-lease. mz the pussy whiffed on his attempt at levity, but he's struck comedic gold plenty a time in the past. I think we can afford to cut him some slack.Oh puh-lease.....How about trying not to be patronizing. What offends me may not offend you. You don't know my personal history and why a subject like this could mean something more to me.
You can cut him slack. That is totally up to you. But don't patronize me if I don't. That is also up to me.
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here's a thought that just occured to me.... yes, it takes a while....
I've heard ZERO about a breathalyzer test...
You were in an accident. You hit a pedestrian. You admitted to consuming alcohol the night before (You're a few million richer, who wouldn't). I understand they drew blood, but no breathalyzer ? That's got lawyer written all over it.
Wonder which call went out first.... his attorney or 911
Not sure what the laws are in Florida, but I'm pretty sure that in some states you can refuse a breathalyzer by opting to give a blood sample instead. My guess is that his liar advised him to do so...buying him a little more time for anything that may be in his system to filter out.
Not sure what the laws are in Florida, but I'm pretty sure that in some states you can refuse a breathalyzer by opting to give a blood sample instead. My guess is that his liar advised him to do so...buying him a little more time for anything that may be in his system to filter out.
You can request that in all states......blood work is always more accurate.
If I was stopped and asked to submit to testing...I would always opt for bloodwork if I knew I had been drinking but wasn't drunk. Breathalyzers aren't always that accurate. Who knows when they last had it calibrated.
If I was dumb enough to be driving and knew I was drunk..I would refuse all testing. No sense in giving them proof since you are going to lose your license anyway....might as well try to avoid the jail and DUI charge.
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You're right - I don't know about your personal history, and I'm sorry if this is a painful subject for you.
But if that's the case, sending a PM to Mike may be a better option; publicly calling for him to be ostracized isn't going to make things any better.
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oldcow1945 said:
Did you ever think there is a time for levity and there are times where levity is tastless?Poor Judgement was used in your post.
Seriously? Is it a tad sanctimonious in here or is it just me?
Good God, people, do you really find it necessary to saddle up the high horse and ride in situations like this?
Does everyone have to post with their hearts on their sleeves to meet your moral standard for this situation? Do we all have to offer prayers to the family of the victim and to Donte Stallworth?
Why?
Are we praying for the millions of poor in the world while we discuss the millions of dollars being given to athletes as though they ACTUALLY deserve it?
Are we praying for the rest of the thousands of people all over the world who were killed yesterday, accidentally and worse yet, intentionally?
Should we start a prayer offering thread? Or maybe a religious board where we can debate the relative strengths of each of our moral compasses? Perhaps a morality pissing contest?
No? Nobody into it?
Fine, then you post what you want and you let me post what I want and how about we quit with the holier-than-thou's in here.
Seriously? Is it a tad sanctimonious in here or is it just me?
Good God, people, do you really find it necessary to saddle up the high horse and ride in situations like this?
Does everyone have to post with their hearts on their sleeves to meet your moral standard for this situation? Do we all have to offer prayers to the family of the victim and to Donte Stallworth?
Why?
Are we praying for the millions of poor in the world while we discuss the millions of dollars being given to athletes as though they ACTUALLY deserve it?
Are we praying for the rest of the thousands of people all over the world who were killed yesterday, accidentally and worse yet, intentionally?
GREAT question! I actually had someone on this thread tell me he is going to pray for me because he didn't like the fact that I held Stallworth acountable for his history of breaking the law on the road. This time somebody DIED when a Bentley should have been a LIMO driven been somone OTHER than the millionaire under the influence. If this was some welfare dude that did the SAME exact thing - nobody would have questioned any comments indicating he should be held accountable. Instead it's a CLEVELAND BROWN so the criteria changes. Unfortunately, one's dedication to Jesus, God, Mohammad, Budda, Nike should have NEVER entered this thread. So much for walking the walk about judging others in that creed. Hence, my reply - faith is a journey not a guilt trip.
Bottom line: and I said this yesterday - if this was a Steeler or Ratbird we were reading about he'd be labelled a scum bag. Instead, it's another overpaid, sandbagging FA that hasn't been worth testicle sweat here in Cleveland cashing in on his new bonus. That guy is about as devoted to the Cleveland Browns and their fanbase as any other FA that came into town merely to cash paychecks. He doesn't give a crap about the history of the Browns or having the Browns make history again. He's type of goofball that will charge your kid a $1 for his autograph. He's NOT the type pf player you grew up adoring here in Cleveland. If I gotta educate people on that - then the homer denial dome is too thick to penetrate. Stallworth is cap cholesterol. I didn't get 1 single hint of quality from this guy in 2008. He went Randy Moss in Oakland on us with one of those injuries measured by "how much discomfort are you feeling today on a scale of 1-10?" If we had a magic season going on wanna bet that injury would have disappeared like a Houdini rabbit? We weren't worth it to him but somehow this guy gets a roster bonus of $4-$5 million dollars. Sorry, I just don't feel like joinging hands and singing Koombaya for him. I'd rather be reading about an upgraded commitment to his career and franchise hoping for some degree of exchange value they haven't gotten yet. Did Peyton Manning from the same college ever celebrate his successes this way in the offseason? Sometime soon - we gotta start paying the RIGHT people. We've had way too many Jerry Ball types that want the money without sweating for it.
He MAY indeed feel bad BUT millions of dollars don't make you above the law nor does it give someone's LIFE back right??? As we've seen in the past, if you have millions like Leonard Little did - it's just a slap on the wrist in the end. And if memory serves me right, Little got in trouble again on the highway AFTER his manslaughter thing. Lesson learned? If not, why do you suppose it wasn't?
If people want to PRAY for Donte or whoever - go right ahead. There's nothing wrong with that if that's your thing. If you gotta announce it like you need a pat on the back for being religious while pretending you're not juding others - people see right through the plasticity. I'm coming from a place that says if priviledged people that aren't ever asked to FOLLOW the laws like other citizens have to - people with HISTORY like Donte come to strike 2. This time strike 2 ended someone's life and impacted the rest of the lives of his family. Had the strike 1 penalty been more meaningful than a $50 dollar fine maybe this guy learns from it and we prevent the recent tragedy so there's a "happily ever after" here. Guess what?
- Tom F.
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Seriously? Is it a tad sanctimonious in here or is it just me?
Good God, people, do you really find it necessary to saddle up the high horse and ride in situations like this?
Does everyone have to post with their hearts on their sleeves to meet your moral standard for this situation? Do we all have to offer prayers to the family of the victim and to Donte Stallworth?
Why?
Are we praying for the millions of poor in the world while we discuss the millions of dollars being given to athletes as though they ACTUALLY deserve it?
Are we praying for the rest of the thousands of people all over the world who were killed yesterday, accidentally and worse yet, intentionally?
GREAT question! I actually had someone on this thread tell me he is going to pray for me because he didn't like the fact that I held Stallworth acountable for his history of breaking the law on the road. This time somebody DIED when a Bentley should have been a LIMO driven been somone OTHER than the millionaire under the influence. If this was some welfare dude that did the SAME exact thing - nobody would have questioned any comments indicating he should be held accountable. Instead it's a CLEVELAND BROWN so the criteria changes. Unfortunately, one's dedication to Jesus, God, Mohammad, Budda, Nike should have NEVER entered this thread. So much for walking the walk about judging others in that creed. Hence, my reply - faith is a journey not a guilt trip.
Bottom line: and I said this yesterday - if this was a Steeler or Ratbird we were reading about he'd be labelled a scum bag. Instead, it's another overpaid, sandbagging FA that hasn't been worth testicle sweat here in Cleveland cashing in on his new bonus. That guy is about as devoted to the Cleveland Browns and their fanbase as any other FA that came into town merely to cash paychecks. He doesn't give a crap about the history of the Browns or having the Browns make history again. He's type of goofball that will charge your kid a $1 for his autograph. He's NOT the type pf player you grew up adoring here in Cleveland. If I gotta educate people on that - then the homer denial dome is too thick to penetrate. Stallworth is cap cholesterol. I didn't get 1 single hint of quality from this guy in 2008. He went Randy Moss in Oakland on us with one of those injuries measured by "how much discomfort are you feeling today on a scale of 1-10?" If we had a magic season going on wanna bet that injury would have disappeared like a Houdini rabbit? We weren't worth it to him but somehow this guy gets a roster bonus of $4-$5 million dollars. Sorry, I just don't feel like joinging hands and singing Koombaya for him. I'd rather be reading about an upgraded commitment to his career and franchise hoping for some degree of exchange value they haven't gotten yet. Did Peyton Manning from the same college ever celebrate his successes this way in the offseason? Sometime soon - we gotta start paying the RIGHT people. We've had way too many Jerry Ball types that want the money without sweating for it.
He MAY indeed feel bad BUT millions of dollars don't make you above the law nor does it give someone's LIFE back right??? As we've seen in the past, if you have millions like Leonard Little did - it's just a slap on the wrist in the end. And if memory serves me right, Little got in trouble again on the highway AFTER his manslaughter thing. Lesson learned? If not, why do you suppose it wasn't?
If people want to PRAY for Donte or whoever - go right ahead. There's nothing wrong with that if that's your thing. If you gotta announce it like you need a pat on the back for being religious while pretending you're not juding others - people see right through the plasticity. I'm coming from a place that says if priviledged people that aren't ever asked to FOLLOW the laws like other citizens have to - people with HISTORY like Donte come to strike 2. This time strike 2 ended someone's life and impacted the rest of the lives of his family. Had the strike 1 penalty been more meaningful than a $50 dollar fine maybe this guy learns from it and we prevent the recent tragedy so there's a "happily ever after" here. Guess what?
- Tom F.
GREAT question! I actually had someone on this thread tell me he is going to pray for me because he didn't like the fact that I held Stallworth acountable for his history of breaking the law on the road. This time somebody DIED when a Bentley should have been a LIMO driven been somone OTHER than the millionaire under the influence. If this was some welfare dude that did the SAME exact thing - nobody would have questioned any comments indicating he should be held accountable. Instead it's a CLEVELAND BROWN so the criteria changes. Unfortunately, one's dedication to Jesus, God, Mohammad, Budda, Nike should have NEVER entered become a part of this thread. So much walking the walk about judging others in that creed. Hence, my reply - faith is a journey not a guilt trip.
Bottom line: and I said this yesterday - if this was a Steeler or Ratbird we were reading about he'd be labelled a scum bag. Instead, it's another overpaid, sandbagging FA that hasn't been worth testicle sweat here in Cleveland cashing in on his new bonus. That guy is about as devoted to the Cleveland Browns and their fanbase as any other FA that came into town merely to cash paychecks. He doesn't give a crap about the history of the Browns or having the Browns make history again. He's type of goofball that will charge your kid a $1 for his autograph. He's NOT the type pf player you grew up adoring here in Cleveland. If I gotta educate people on that - then the homer denial dome is too thick to penetrate. Stallworth is cap cholesterol. I didn't get 1 single hint of quality from this guy in 2008.
He MAY indeed feel bad BUT millions of dollars don't make you above the law nor does it give someone's LIFE back right??? As we've seen in the past, if you have millions like Leonard Little did - it's just a slap on the wrist in the end. And if memory serves me right, Little got in trouble again on the highway AFTER his manslaughter thing. Lesson learned? If not, why do you suppose it wasn't?
If people want to PRAY for Donte or whoever - go right ahead. There's nothing wrong with that if that's your thing. If you gotta announce it like you need a pat on the back for being religious while pretending you're not juding others - people see right through the plasticity. I'm coming from a place that says if priviledged people that aren't ever asked to FOLLOW the laws like other citizens have to - people with HISTORY like Donte come to strike 2. This time strike 2 ended someone's life and impacted the rest of the lives of his family. Had the strike 1 penalty been more meaningful than a $50 dollar fine maybe this guy learns from it and we prevent the recent tragedy so there's a "happily ever after" here. Guess what?
- Tom F.
I am new here and am not aware of your traditions . But if you do such a thing I would like to make this a post of the year entry .
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TheJokersWILD said:
This doesn't make any sense at all. If you admit to seeing the person from a distance and flashing your lights and you STILL hit him that either means A) You did see him but were too buzzed up and traveling way too fast to react in time B)You never saw him to begin with but you lied to make it look like you were more alert than what you were at the time. Or there is always the possibility of being completely sober and your foot slipped off the brake. But this has guilt ritten all over it.Exactly! He'll get out of this the same way Leonard Little did with a slap on the wrist. Flashing brights on a bright sunny Florida morning doesn't sound like the driver had CONTROL over his vision, speed and mind. Not for nothing, when you've partied past midnight - how often are you up and on the road by 7:00am the next morning? Here's a concept, slow your ass down or go slow enough so that it's possible to do so if something like this requires you to slow down or apply the brakes so the person in question can respond to the HORN he hears from the sound mind sounding it. Make sense?
I think I can speak for ALOT of people here when I say we've all seen a kid on a bike/running, not looking where he's going while we're driving toward him, so that we've been able to adapt, use our horn and be in a position to make a complete stop if necessary. You CANNOT do such a thing if you put yourself above the law, drive impaired and go so fast you've got zero control over anything but your brights. Donte gets a 3rd chance with the law while the victim doesn't get a second chance at life. Fair?
This is a tragedy but the most unfortunate thing about it all was it was completely avoidable. Bottom line: Donte should have been Miss Daisey if he had her temporary mindset.
- Tom F.
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