Weakened Weaknesses
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I don't want a "Game Manager" I want a QB that scares people..
Peyton Manning scared everyone but the Hawks defense.
While the QB is undoubtedly the most important position on the field, look no further than organizations that have used good to great signal callers that have masked deficiencies in their teams.
The Colts might be the best example. Without Manning and Luck they're total trash.
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Losing teams turn the corner when they get the right right franchise QB in place, with the right coaches
and systems, and it all comes together.
Condensed it, and fixed it for you..
The Browns appear to me to be taking the QB approach the Bucs took last yr. Bring in McClown for Johnny Rehab to learn from.. He was supposed to mentor Mike Glennon last yr.. He had two 6'5 WRs and a 6'7" TE to work with.. And still brought the Bucs the #1 pick.. Think about that for a minute..
Condensed it, and fixed it for you..
The Browns appear to me to be taking the QB approach the Bucs took last yr. Bring in McClown for Johnny Rehab to learn from.. He was supposed to mentor Mike Glennon last yr.. He had two 6'5 WRs and a 6'7" TE to work with.. And still brought the Bucs the #1 pick.. Think about that for a minute..
I hear you but there are so many variables that I just don't think you can broad brush such a conclusion. Coaches, systems, other players, injuries and execution play an important role. My hope is that it all comes together for the Browns this year. I think they can play competitively against any team - and if that means 8-8, I'll be really happy because 1 more draft/FA and this team can be really special (yes, with a new starting QB).
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Condensed it, and fixed it for you..
The Browns appear to me to be taking the QB approach the Bucs took last yr. Bring in McClown for Johnny Rehab to learn from.. He was supposed to mentor Mike Glennon last yr.. He had two 6'5 WRs and a 6'7" TE to work with.. And still brought the Bucs the #1 pick.. Think about that for a minute.. Axe
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Au contraire, mon ami ....
The Saints had a truly great qb in Archie Manning, and he had a terrible time. A great qb goes to a playoff team,
he'll probably be great.
A great qb goes to a team that is seriously lacking in talent on offense, does not look great. Bert Jones with the Colts...
You let the Browns nab a star #1 qb next year, and watch him not be a bust, but play
like the real deal. Better to get all the pieces in place, and then get the qb.
Archie was refusing to let it happen to Eli.
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Basic football scheme lingo doesn't require an advanced knowledge of the game. Tiam
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I never said it did. I was laughing at myself because I never talk about that stuff. I wasn't complaining -
and explained that to Mr. Flugels - he knows that.
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Losing teams turn the corner when they get the right right franchise QB in place, with the right coaches
and systems, and it all comes together.
Condensed it, and fixed it for you..
The Browns appear to me to be taking the QB approach the Bucs took last yr. Bring in McClown for Johnny Rehab to learn from.. He was supposed to mentor Mike Glennon last yr.. He had two 6'5 WRs and a 6'7" TE to work with.. And still brought the Bucs the #1 pick.. Think about that for a minute..
Condensed it, and fixed it for you..
The Browns appear to me to be taking the QB approach the Bucs took last yr. Bring in McClown for Johnny Rehab to learn from.. He was supposed to mentor Mike Glennon last yr.. He had two 6'5 WRs and a 6'7" TE to work with.. And still brought the Bucs the #1 pick.. Think about that for a minute..
you could have the best wrs in the game but with no OL to protect the QB you'll still be shit.
the bucs are doing it all wrong, while the browns are building a team correctly. i don't know what the bucs did to improve their pass protection this offseason but if they didn't plug some holes jameis winston might go the way of tim couch.
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Condensed it, and fixed it for you..
The Browns appear to me to be taking the QB approach the Bucs took last yr. Bring in McClown for Johnny Rehab to learn from.. He was supposed to mentor Mike Glennon last yr.. He had two 6'5 WRs and a 6'7" TE to work with.. And still brought the Bucs the #1 pick.. Think about that for a minute..
you could have the best wrs in the game but with no OL to protect the QB you'll still be shit.
the bucs are doing it all wrong, while the browns are building a team correctly. i don't know what the bucs did to improve their pass protection this offseason but if they didn't plug some holes jameis winston might go the way of tim couch.
you could have the best wrs in the game but with no OL to protect the QB you'll still be shit.
the bucs are doing it all wrong, while the browns are building a team correctly. i don't know what the bucs did to improve their pass protection this offseason but if they didn't plug some holes jameis winston might go the way of tim couch.
I just watched a number of Bucs games on Rewind, just to see what McCown looked like, and gotta say that their OL sucks rocks......they are really really bad...... Poor guy had no chance(or time) to do anything......was running for his life on every play and there was rarely time for those "great" WR's to even get open.......
I think he'll do better here, with this line and WR corp, than he did there......(Im hoping)
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Nicker's look at it the right way. look at the sorry QB's we have brought in and still looked competitive (a OL). We send them elsewhere their out of the league in a year. 1 Exception Derek Anderson.
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Nicker's look at it the right way. look at the sorry QB's we have brought in and still looked competitive (a OL). We send them elsewhere their out of the league in a year. 1 Exception Derek Anderson.
Nicker's look at it the right way. look at the sorry QB's we have brought in and still looked competitive (a OL). We send them elsewhere their out of the league in a year. 1 Exception Derek Anderson.
there's no doubt the browns org's record at drafting QBs is dismal. the jury is still out on manziel (for some), but i really wouldn't attach that pick with farmer as we all know who wanted the kid (haslam).
yes they need to find a QB that will start for them the next 10 years. easier said than done, but if anyone can draft a nobody and turn him into a solid starter i believe farmer can and i wouldn't bet against him throwing a lot of picks to move up and grap one of the top 3 QBs in next year's draft along with a blue chip WR.
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Condensed it, and fixed it for you..
The Browns appear to me to be taking the QB approach the Bucs took last yr. Bring in McClown for Johnny Rehab to learn from.. He was supposed to mentor Mike Glennon last yr.. He had two 6'5 WRs and a 6'7" TE to work with.. And still brought the Bucs the #1 pick.. Think about that for a minute.. Axe
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Au contraire, mon ami ....
The Saints had a truly great qb in Archie Manning, and he had a terrible time. A great qb goes to a playoff team,
he'll probably be great.
A great qb goes to a team that is seriously lacking in talent on offense, does not look great. Bert Jones with the Colts...
You let the Browns nab a star #1 qb next year, and watch him not be a bust, but play
like the real deal. Better to get all the pieces in place, and then get the qb.
Archie was refusing to let it happen to Eli.
Condensed it, and fixed it for you..
The Browns appear to me to be taking the QB approach the Bucs took last yr. Bring in McClown for Johnny Rehab to learn from.. He was supposed to mentor Mike Glennon last yr.. He had two 6'5 WRs and a 6'7" TE to work with.. And still brought the Bucs the #1 pick.. Think about that for a minute.. Axe
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Au contraire, mon ami ....
The Saints had a truly great qb in Archie Manning, and he had a terrible time. A great qb goes to a playoff team,
he'll probably be great.
A great qb goes to a team that is seriously lacking in talent on offense, does not look great. Bert Jones with the Colts...
You let the Browns nab a star #1 qb next year, and watch him not be a bust, but play
like the real deal. Better to get all the pieces in place, and then get the qb.
Archie was refusing to let it happen to Eli.
Zombo would argue with you that Archie was NOT such a great QB. The numbers support Z.
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Nicker's look at it the right way. look at the sorry QB's we have brought in and still looked competitive (a OL). We send them elsewhere their out of the league in a year. 1 Exception Derek Anderson.
there's no doubt the browns org's record at drafting QBs is dismal. the jury is still out on manziel (for some), but i really wouldn't attach that pick with farmer as we all know who wanted the kid (haslam).
yes they need to find a QB that will start for them the next 10 years. easier said than done, but if anyone can draft a nobody and turn him into a solid starter i believe farmer can and i wouldn't bet against him throwing a lot of picks to move up and grap one of the top 3 QBs in next year's draft along with a blue chip WR.
yes they need to find a QB that will start for them the next 10 years.
That's happened exactly once in our history... and, yes, his name was Otto.
But for injury, Dr. Frank might have made it two.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
That's happened exactly once in our history... and, yes, his name was Otto.
But for injury, Dr. Frank might have made it two.
If you are talking about the Browns drafting a QB.....neither Graham nor Ryan were drafted by the Browns. Graham was drafted in 1944 by the Lions....but he first served in the military then chose to go with Paul Brown as a free agent.
Ryan was drafted by the Rams. Browns traded like a 3rd round pick for him later.
The one Browns QB draftee that had the longest tenure was Brian Sipe....13th rounder, and he was here for exactly 10 years.
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Nicker's look at it the right way. look at the sorry QB's we have brought in and still looked competitive (a OL). We send them elsewhere their out of the league in a year. 1 Exception Derek Anderson.
there's no doubt the browns org's record at drafting QBs is dismal. the jury is still out on manziel (for some), but i really wouldn't attach that pick with farmer as we all know who wanted the kid (haslam).
yes they need to find a QB that will start for them the next 10 years. easier said than done, but if anyone can draft a nobody and turn him into a solid starter i believe farmer can and i wouldn't bet against him throwing a lot of picks to move up and grap one of the top 3 QBs in next year's draft along with a blue chip WR.
there's no doubt the browns org's record at drafting QBs is dismal. the jury is still out on manziel (for some), but i really wouldn't attach that pick with farmer as we all know who wanted the kid (haslam).
yes they need to find a QB that will start for them the next 10 years. easier said than done, but if anyone can draft a nobody and turn him into a solid starter i believe farmer can and i wouldn't bet against him throwing a lot of picks to move up and grap one of the top 3 QBs in next year's draft along with a blue chip WR.
Totally agree. The Farmer/Pettine Plan is clear. Year one, Farmer had no trust in using old regime scouts in 2014. Both got by finding their own needs and Farmer after 2014 draft put in his own scouts in place. His West Coast scout really may have Shined in 2015 draft. Shelton, Mayle, Orchard, Pullard, Expre and Telfer. In 2016, I see the same as most QB and playmaker WR. There is a Big, Pro Style Offense QB at Cal that am pretty sure we will scout with our guy named Jared Goff. I got my eyes on watching his tape now and He's got my attention going into 2016 college season. Cardell Jones, hold that thought for now??
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Zombo would argue with you that Archie was NOT such a great QB. The numbers support Z. Mr. Gipper
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Numbers represent the dismal talent of the team around him.
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That's happened exactly once in our history... and, yes, his name was Otto.
But for injury, Dr. Frank might have made it two.
If you are talking about the Browns drafting a QB.....neither Graham nor Ryan were drafted by the Browns. Graham was drafted in 1944 by the Lions....but he first served in the military then chose to go with Paul Brown as a free agent.
Ryan was drafted by the Rams. Browns traded like a 3rd round pick for him later.
The one Browns QB draftee that had the longest tenure was Brian Sipe....13th rounder, and he was here for exactly 10 years.
If you are talking about the Browns drafting a QB.
they need to find a QB that will start for them the next 10 years.
There's only been one ten-year starter in our history.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Zombo would argue with you that Archie was NOT such a great QB. The numbers support Z. Mr. Gipper
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Numbers represent the dismal talent of the team around him.
Zombo would argue with you that Archie was NOT such a great QB. The numbers support Z. Mr. Gipper
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Numbers represent the dismal talent of the team around him.
If Ken Stabler and Ken Anderson from that same era can't make HOF, then Archie certainly wouldn't be considered.
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If you are talking about the Browns drafting a QB.
they need to find a QB that will start for them the next 10 years.
There's only been one ten-year starter in our history.
There's only been one ten-year starter in our history.
OK, misunderstood. Here is the roster of how many years a particular QB was the primary starting QB for the Browns (i.e started the most games in a particular season):
Otto Graham 10 years
Brian Sipe 8 years
Bernie Kosar 7 years
Frank Ryan 6 years
Milt Plum 4 years
Bill Nelsen 4 years
Mike Phipps 4 years
Tim Couch 4 years
Vinny Testaverde 3 years
Tommy O'Connell 2 years
Derek Anderson 2 years
Colt McCoy 2 years
Paul McDonald, Mike Tomscak, Kelly Holcomb, Jeff Garcia, Charlie Frye, Trent Dilfer, Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden, Jason Campbell, and Brian Hoyer 1 year each
Of these 10 one year wonders....only McDonald and Tomscak preceded "The Move". The other 8 have all been since 1999.
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Zombo would argue with you that Archie was NOT such a great QB. The numbers support Z. Mr. Gipper
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Numbers represent the dismal talent of the team around him.
If Ken Stabler and Ken Anderson from that same era can't make HOF, then Archie certainly wouldn't be considered.
If Ken Stabler and Ken Anderson from that same era can't make HOF, then Archie certainly wouldn't be considered.
HOF is basically reserved for the top 1%....and Id say none of those guys fit that mold....
Great players get passed up all the time, because its only for the greatEST of the great.....there are already like 15 QB's from the 70's and 80's in the HOF, so how many "greatest ever" can there be beyond that?.....
300 new players enter the league every year and approx 3-4 get into the hall every year......it's easy math....
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If Ken Stabler and Ken Anderson from that same era can't make HOF, then Archie certainly wouldn't be considered.
HOF is basically reserved for the top 1%....and Id say none of those guys fit that mold....
Great players get passed up all the time, because its only for the greatEST of the great.....there are already like 15 QB's from the 70's and 80's in the HOF, so how many "greatest ever" can there be beyond that?.....
300 new players enter the league every year and approx 3-4 get into the hall every year......it's easy math....
HOF is basically reserved for the top 1%....and Id say none of those guys fit that mold....
Great players get passed up all the time, because its only for the greatEST of the great.....there are already like 15 QB's from the 70's and 80's in the HOF, so how many "greatest ever" can there be beyond that?.....
300 new players enter the league every year and approx 3-4 get into the hall every year......it's easy math....
Here is a way I see it....a potential HOF QB comes along about once every two years....and maybe a sure fire HOF once every 3-4 years.
Take the last 25 years since 1990. As I see it the only QBs that could even sniff a HOF election are as follows:
By decade: 1990s
1991 Brett Favre
1993 Drew Bledsoe
1995 Steve McNair
1998 Peyton Manning
1999 Donovan McNabb
of these....only Favre and Manning are sure things the others are unlikely....that makes just 2 in that decade
Plus the 1990s produced Kurt Warner....a probable. So make that just 3 HOF QBs produced during the 1990 decade
2000 Tom Brady
2001 Drew Brees
2003 Carson Palmer
2004 Roethlisberger/Eli Manning/Phillip Rivers
2005 Aaron Rodgers
2008 Matt Ryan
this decade produced more probably 4 sure things, plus 2 high maybes plus a couple of borderline and below.
2011 Cam Newton
2012 Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson
Halfway through the 2010 decade and so far just possibles. All these guys need to do more imo to basically cement HOF consideration.
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