Which receivers make this team?
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This is going to get interesting down the stretch. Some of the guys brought in can't shake off nagging injuries while some undrafted FA guys are raising eye brows in just about every small window of opportunity they get. Unfortunately, Vince Mayle didn't have a good night.
heck...it's interesting now......and very hard to figure what their strategy is gonna be.......keep the "best"....keep a few of each type....dunno.....
But.....thinking for the long haul and as close as some of these guys seem in talent/production.....Id say the BEST strategy would be to keep as many as possible.....even if it means PS.....
And the guys we can put on PS are Wynn, Mayle, Jennings and Lenz......everyone else either makes the team or gets waived.....period.
IF we keep the youngsters, then we lose the vets.....(Pryor, Hawk, Gabe, Benji, etc).....
So, it makes sense to me to keep the vets and see how they do.... and if not too good, then we can activate someone from PS.....
But the other way around?.....(keep the kids)....then where do we go if or when they fail?.....
heck...it's interesting now......and very hard to figure what their strategy is gonna be.......keep the "best"....keep a few of each type....dunno.....
But.....thinking for the long haul and as close as some of these guys seem in talent/production.....Id say the BEST strategy would be to keep as many as possible.....even if it means PS.....
And the guys we can put on PS are Wynn, Mayle, Jennings and Lenz......everyone else either makes the team or gets waived.....period.
IF we keep the youngsters, then we lose the vets.....(Pryor, Hawk, Gabe, Benji, etc).....
So, it makes sense to me to keep the vets and see how they do.... and if not too good, then we can activate someone from PS.....
But the other way around?.....(keep the kids)....then where do we go if or when they fail?.....
A couple things entered my mind as I read an interesting debate about Hawk being a lock vrs why is he a lock?:
1) Tour brought up some excellent points even though Z reminded that Hawk is a Pettine fave (for good reasons imo).
2) How many times last year with his lack of size in the slot got Hoyer to refrain from throwing a quick slant because of the wing spans/hands in the air from pass rushers ranging from 6-2 to 6-6? Think about it, if the guy is short you can't throw those high and it isn't like we have Randy Moss clearing out underneath for Wes Welker here. If there becomes a reason to insert Manziel - does this get complicated even more?
Cincy decided to upgrade Hawk's lack of height and lack of TDs with taller targets; and nobody made them sorry for doing so. They like their skyline package that Dalton can throw kites to especially in the red zone. In addition, they also drafted a RB like Gio Bernard sort of like us drafting Duke Johnson to attack certain parts of the defense like the flats and grey areas between the flats and hook zones. However, these are areas the QB's passes can clear the pass rushers much easier for shorter/compact targets. Hawk is still a good player to put out there and even consider moving around in certain situations. However, he's not always the best target for our QBs especially if Flip wants to throw a lot of short slant passes this year.
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Hawk brings certain things to the offense with his quicks and professionalism, but throwing the ball up to him is not an option as we saw McCown throw a pick the other night that a vet receiver with size could have went up and got. That part of the game is not in Hawk's repertoire, however, he does bring other things to the table.
Cincy didn't want to get rid of Hawk, they simply couldn't afford to match our offer. I expect Hawk to get isolated quite a bit this year and have a 70 catch season as long as he stays healthy.
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Here are some receiver stats and numbers.....so far......
First......there are 2 receivers who haven't played......Pryor and Bowe......so they both score a zero so far....
Gabe(2), Hartline(5) and Bibbs(5) all have a perfect 100% catch rate.....12 targets for 12 catches.....
Benjiman and Wynn have the only TD catches(2).....
Hawkins has the fewest reps(24)....fewest targets(2) and fewest catches(1)...dont know what that means, but there it is...
Mayle is the only player credited with even having a dropped pass.....except he has 3....
He is also the only receiver credited with any penalties.....and he has 2....
Mayle, Jennings and Lenz have the most reps(snaps)....by far.....telling me these 3 are competing for a spot?
Maybe Hawk has the fewest because he's already in?......
Highest PFF rating goes to Jennings(+1.2) and lowest goes to Mayle(-5.8)....
Highest YPC goes to Jennings at 17.....lowest goes to Hawk at -1.....haha...in fairness, he has only one catch....next lowest are Benji and Lenz tied at 5.5 ypc....
Highest YAC goes to Gabe at +7.5 and the lowest YAC goes to Benji at -1.3.....
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heck...it's interesting now......and very hard to figure what their strategy is gonna be.......keep the "best"....keep a few of each type....dunno.....
But.....thinking for the long haul and as close as some of these guys seem in talent/production.....Id say the BEST strategy would be to keep as many as possible.....even if it means PS.....
And the guys we can put on PS are Wynn, Mayle, Jennings and Lenz......everyone else either makes the team or gets waived.....period.
IF we keep the youngsters, then we lose the vets.....(Pryor, Hawk, Gabe, Benji, etc).....
So, it makes sense to me to keep the vets and see how they do.... and if not too good, then we can activate someone from PS.....
But the other way around?.....(keep the kids)....then where do we go if or when they fail?.....
A couple things entered my mind as I read an interesting debate about Hawk being a lock vrs why is he a lock?:
1) Tour brought up some excellent points even though Z reminded that Hawk is a Pettine fave (for good reasons imo).
2) How many times last year with his lack of size in the slot got Hoyer to refrain from throwing a quick slant because of the wing spans/hands in the air from pass rushers ranging from 6-2 to 6-6? Think about it, if the guy is short you can't throw those high and it isn't like we have Randy Moss clearing out underneath for Wes Welker here. If there becomes a reason to insert Manziel - does this get complicated even more?
Cincy decided to upgrade Hawk's lack of height and lack of TDs with taller targets; and nobody made them sorry for doing so. They like their skyline package that Dalton can throw kites to especially in the red zone. In addition, they also drafted a RB like Gio Bernard sort of like us drafting Duke Johnson to attack certain parts of the defense like the flats and grey areas between the flats and hook zones. However, these are areas the QB's passes can clear the pass rushers much easier for shorter/compact targets. Hawk is still a good player to put out there and even consider moving around in certain situations. However, he's not always the best target for our QBs especially if Flip wants to throw a lot of short slant passes this year.
A couple things entered my mind as I read an interesting debate about Hawk being a lock vrs why is he a lock?:
1) Tour brought up some excellent points even though Z reminded that Hawk is a Pettine fave (for good reasons imo).
2) How many times last year with his lack of size in the slot got Hoyer to refrain from throwing a quick slant because of the wing spans/hands in the air from pass rushers ranging from 6-2 to 6-6? Think about it, if the guy is short you can't throw those high and it isn't like we have Randy Moss clearing out underneath for Wes Welker here. If there becomes a reason to insert Manziel - does this get complicated even more?
Never was a fan of the Bowe signing, but that's water under or over something or other...
On Hawk... just a feeling. His lack of production so far may be due to the staff not having to see him, but 1 catch for -1 yards (plus I think a lateral for a small gain.... but it's not in the stats) is not exactly comforting.
Good point on JM... the shorter in stature the QB, the higher you'd expect quick slant throws to have to be. We saw an example in the Bills' game on the slant to the statuesque, 5'10 Benji.
heck...it's interesting now......and very hard to figure what their strategy is gonna be.......keep the "best"....keep a few of each type....dunno.....
Certainly the stated approach for the team as a whole is to keep the best talent, but there are positon minimums. I'm not aware of any minimums within a given position.
Height in some of your WRs is nice, but if some on your roster do not use their height to good effect...
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Gonna guess Benji's punt return closed the door on what chance Shane had...
Early cut gives Shane opportunity to catch on somewhere else, but if he doesn't, then he might end up back on our PS.
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I would not be surprised to see someone take him soon just to see if what he did on the field is an everyday thing or not.
I agree Tour. I thought at the time that runback last Sat.might just seal Wynn's fate. But his prior one might have already gained the attention of another team. We'll see shortly.
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I still think Pryor makes the 53. He's already been informed that he's got at least 2 other teams that want him on their roster.
Last year, Charles Johnson not only made MInnesota's roster.. he became their #1. That's a trend which doesn't need to continue. Lenz and Mayle both to PS, they won't get picked up by anyone else.
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Gonna guess Benji's punt return closed the door on what chance Shane had...
Early cut gives Shane opportunity to catch on somewhere else, but if he doesn't, then he might end up back on our PS.
Gonna guess Benji's punt return closed the door on what chance Shane had...
Early cut gives Shane opportunity to catch on somewhere else, but if he doesn't, then he might end up back on our PS.
Hate to be Captain Obvious- but Benjamin's play against Tampa made him a roster lock. Wasn't just the run back either- had a couple nice catches. Pryor's roster spot depends if he plays Thursday.
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Things are getting too cordial.
All of you are idiots.
Things are getting too cordial.
All of you are idiots.
Why thank you old chap
Any chance we can trade Bowe to Carolina? anywhere?
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Things are getting too cordial.
All of you are idiots.
Why thank you old chap
Any chance we can trade Bowe to Carolina? anywhere?
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Gonna guess Benji's punt return closed the door on what chance Shane had...
Early cut gives Shane opportunity to catch on somewhere else, but if he doesn't, then he might end up back on our PS.
Hate to be Captain Obvious- but Benjamin's play against Tampa made him a roster lock. Wasn't just the run back either- had a couple nice catches. Pryor's roster spot depends if he plays Thursday.
Everything I've heard makes me think Pryor was a lock/project from Day 1. We'll see, but I think he'll be limited if he plays at all Thursday and still makes the team.Hate to be Captain Obvious- but Benjamin's play against Tampa made him a roster lock. Wasn't just the run back either- had a couple nice catches. Pryor's roster spot depends if he plays Thursday.
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Arena probably. Looks a little (no pun intended) like Trindon Holliday. I don't see that good of a player though.You think he is CFL/Arena League material?
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Everything I've heard makes me think Pryor was a lock/project from Day 1. We'll see, but I think he'll be limited if he plays at all Thursday and still makes the team.Hate to be Captain Obvious- but Benjamin's play against Tampa made him a roster lock. Wasn't just the run back either- had a couple nice catches. Pryor's roster spot depends if he plays Thursday.
Everything I've heard makes me think Pryor was a lock/project from Day 1. We'll see, but I think he'll be limited if he plays at all Thursday and still makes the team.
Pettine said in his presser that Pryor making the team didn't necessarily depend on Thursday night. It depends a lot more on making a projection of what he can be, not what he is now or Thursday. His ability to be an emergency QB doesn't hurt, either.
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Well.....Wr is really unfolding as a wide open competition....and a very difficult set of decisions for the staff....
looks like Benji has really stepped up so far....kudos to you guys who stood with him, as I had him outta here...
Hartline also has really shown up the past week or 2 and has totally convinced me he isnt the next Nate Burleson....but maybe the next Joe Jurevicius instead....
We have several UDFA/FA signings who are making waves.....Lenz, Jennings and Wynn have all flashed....
While a couple guys we were counting on(Housler, Bowe and Mayle) have struggled with drops(and injury)....
Pryor?.....a sensational week, yes....but he needs to get back on the field.......soon.....
And Marlon Moore.....showed why weve kept him to this point.....forced fumble on ST......too good to let go?
It would seem strange if we cut the absolute best version of Travis Benjamin this franchise has invested so much time in training up to be reliable for situational football. He now can run every route in the passing tree, lead us in 17.4 yards per catch in 2014,lead us in TD receptions despite part time duty (meaning he's reliable and CATCHES the ball which is refreshing on this franchise). My favorite change is what we saw on the TD reception - an experienced/trained vet adjusted to a coverage leverage and made a clutch catch in the red zone.
He's also going to return punts again, which was the very first impression Mike Pettine had of him (while coaching Buffalo) returning a punt for a score in a game we erased a deficit without our starting QB. It's 2 years post surgery, so I doubt we have to keep playing Russian Roulette with that like we had to last year.
What makes this tough for us fans is we don't see who the coaches are seeing every day in practice and again in the film room. Guys nursing bad hammies are allowing guys like Benjamin and Mayle to make a serious run at making this football team. When Pettine announces he likes to see hard work rewarded by good performance - that hasn't been exclusive to Manziel. He's talking a lot of Benjamin and I guarantee his night vrs Washington didn't hurt that whatsoever.
Here's my 6 this week:
Hartline: leaving us no choice but feeling like he is needed
Bowe: FA commitment with a bad hammy
Pryor: Early buzz of training camp sentenced to a bad hammy
Hawk: Great job last year and continues to sport a bust tail work ethic
Gabriel: Same goodies as Hawk with 17.3 yards per catch from the undrafted rookie who caught seemingly everything
Benjamin: Exactly why you invest time training a guy who responds to coaching. Elite speed, reliable hands, and a STs threat.
What if somebody isn't who we thought he'd be? The 30 year old Bowe (already dealing with a hammy issue) is coming off only 60 rec for 754 yards and 0 TDs on a 9-7 football team. The year before that he only had 57 rec for 673 yards and just 5 TDs in 15 games. Are we looking at the same Dwayne Bowe we used to want on our fantasy football rosters? If yes, that's good. If not - somebody with best football ahead is getting cut, IR'd or stashed on the PS as temporary as Charles Johnson was.
Overall, this sudden WR depth is a good problem to have if we don't end up getting burned keeping someone that can't stay healthy in lieu of someone that has been stepping for those that aren't healthy right now.
Here's my 6 this week:Hartline: leaving us no choice but feeling like he is needed
Bowe: FA commitment with a bad hammy
Pryor: Early buzz of training camp sentenced to a bad hammy
Hawk: Great job last year and continues to sport a bust tail work ethic
Gabriel: Same goodies as Hawk with 17.3 yards per catch from the undrafted rookie who caught seemingly everything
Benjamin: Exactly why you invest time training a guy who responds to coaching. Elite speed, reliable hands, and a STs threat.
What if somebody isn't who we thought he'd be? The 30 year old Bowe (already dealing with a hammy issue) is coming off only 60 rec for 754 yards and 0 TDs on a 9-7 football team. The year before that he only had 57 rec for 673 yards and just 5 TDs in 15 games. Are we looking at the same Dwayne Bowe we used to want on our fantasy football rosters? If yes, that's good. If not - somebody with best football ahead is getting cut, IR'd or stashed on the PS as temporary as Charles Johnson was.
Overall, this sudden WR depth is a good problem to have if we don't end up getting burned keeping someone that can't stay healthy in lieu of someone that has been stepping for those that aren't healthy right now.
Bowe never showed us anything but rear view mirror this preseason. It would shock me if we cut a WR with promising upside to keep him.
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Josh Lenz was cut per Aaron Wilson https://twitter.com/aaronwilson_nfl/status/640158342741032960
Aaron Wilson@AaronWilson_NFLBrowns cut wide receiver Josh Lenz, according to a source, drew praise from Donte Whitner for his play during strong preseason
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