Which receivers make this team?
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Okay, I'm going to throw this back on 2 broken stilts:
1) Bowe - but I'm sort of worried about the drop off in his stats since 2011 showing me at least a lost step or 2 + bad hammy today.
2) Hartline - if my stance above looks crack pipe - I was wondering if we wasted cake on Hartline.
3) Gabriel
4) Hawkins - I read some compelling arguments/questions about why he's a lock; but he practices hard and he remains a Pettine fave.
5) Pryor - He offers us too much to cut. That said, Carolina might need to replace Benjamin enough to part with defensive help we could use.
6) Benjamin
If number 5 above shakes out it opens room for Wynn, Jennings, or Moore. If not, Wynn or Jennings can land on the practice squad.
I think I had a false positive on Lenz after the scrimmage. Everyone matching up with Bademosi seems to have days like that. I really think the coaching staff is trying this cornerback thing to justify a potential decision to choose Bademosi as our STs ace who looks to offer us 2 different positions in the secondary. I wouldn't be comfortable if we ever had to look to him at Safety or Corner right now. The sad thing is Marlon Moore does pretty much everything that's asked of him on offense. He's even willing to throw the final block Manziel scored on or catch the ball when he wasn't causing the STs fumble before we scored. Punt team gunner isn't a position a lot of veterans want to play in this league. It involves staring into a inside-outside double press; and our 2 guys were really good at that for us in 2014.
This is going to get interesting down the stretch. Some of the guys brought in can't shake off nagging injuries while some undrafted FA guys are raising eye brows in just about every small window of opportunity they get. Unfortunately, Vince Mayle didn't have a good night.
This is going to get interesting down the stretch. Some of the guys brought in can't shake off nagging injuries while some undrafted FA guys are raising eye brows in just about every small window of opportunity they get. Unfortunately, Vince Mayle didn't have a good night.
heck...it's interesting now......and very hard to figure what their strategy is gonna be.......keep the "best"....keep a few of each type....dunno.....
But.....thinking for the long haul and as close as some of these guys seem in talent/production.....Id say the BEST strategy would be to keep as many as possible.....even if it means PS.....
And the guys we can put on PS are Wynn, Mayle, Jennings and Lenz......everyone else either makes the team or gets waived.....period.
IF we keep the youngsters, then we lose the vets.....(Pryor, Hawk, Gabe, Benji, etc).....
So, it makes sense to me to keep the vets and see how they do.... and if not too good, then we can activate someone from PS.....
But the other way around?.....(keep the kids)....then where do we go if or when they fail?.....
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Good thoughts guys. Bottom line is that Farmer & Pettine are REALLY going to be working overtime on many of these decisions, but it beats the easy cut decisions that had to be made in past years.
We'll see.
Mike
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This is going to get interesting down the stretch. Some of the guys brought in can't shake off nagging injuries while some undrafted FA guys are raising eye brows in just about every small window of opportunity they get. Unfortunately, Vince Mayle didn't have a good night.
heck...it's interesting now......and very hard to figure what their strategy is gonna be.......keep the "best"....keep a few of each type....dunno.....
But.....thinking for the long haul and as close as some of these guys seem in talent/production.....Id say the BEST strategy would be to keep as many as possible.....even if it means PS.....
And the guys we can put on PS are Wynn, Mayle, Jennings and Lenz......everyone else either makes the team or gets waived.....period.
IF we keep the youngsters, then we lose the vets.....(Pryor, Hawk, Gabe, Benji, etc).....
So, it makes sense to me to keep the vets and see how they do.... and if not too good, then we can activate someone from PS.....
But the other way around?.....(keep the kids)....then where do we go if or when they fail?.....
heck...it's interesting now......and very hard to figure what their strategy is gonna be.......keep the "best"....keep a few of each type....dunno.....
But.....thinking for the long haul and as close as some of these guys seem in talent/production.....Id say the BEST strategy would be to keep as many as possible.....even if it means PS.....
And the guys we can put on PS are Wynn, Mayle, Jennings and Lenz......everyone else either makes the team or gets waived.....period.
IF we keep the youngsters, then we lose the vets.....(Pryor, Hawk, Gabe, Benji, etc).....
So, it makes sense to me to keep the vets and see how they do.... and if not too good, then we can activate someone from PS.....
But the other way around?.....(keep the kids)....then where do we go if or when they fail?.....
A couple things entered my mind as I read an interesting debate about Hawk being a lock vrs why is he a lock?:
1) Tour brought up some excellent points even though Z reminded that Hawk is a Pettine fave (for good reasons imo).
2) How many times last year with his lack of size in the slot got Hoyer to refrain from throwing a quick slant because of the wing spans/hands in the air from pass rushers ranging from 6-2 to 6-6? Think about it, if the guy is short you can't throw those high and it isn't like we have Randy Moss clearing out underneath for Wes Welker here. If there becomes a reason to insert Manziel - does this get complicated even more?
Cincy decided to upgrade Hawk's lack of height and lack of TDs with taller targets; and nobody made them sorry for doing so. They like their skyline package that Dalton can throw kites to especially in the red zone. In addition, they also drafted a RB like Gio Bernard sort of like us drafting Duke Johnson to attack certain parts of the defense like the flats and grey areas between the flats and hook zones. However, these are areas the QB's passes can clear the pass rushers much easier for shorter/compact targets. Hawk is still a good player to put out there and even consider moving around in certain situations. However, he's not always the best target for our QBs especially if Flip wants to throw a lot of short slant passes this year.
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Hawk brings certain things to the offense with his quicks and professionalism, but throwing the ball up to him is not an option as we saw McCown throw a pick the other night that a vet receiver with size could have went up and got. That part of the game is not in Hawk's repertoire, however, he does bring other things to the table.
Cincy didn't want to get rid of Hawk, they simply couldn't afford to match our offer. I expect Hawk to get isolated quite a bit this year and have a 70 catch season as long as he stays healthy.
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Here are some receiver stats and numbers.....so far......
First......there are 2 receivers who haven't played......Pryor and Bowe......so they both score a zero so far....
Gabe(2), Hartline(5) and Bibbs(5) all have a perfect 100% catch rate.....12 targets for 12 catches.....
Benjiman and Wynn have the only TD catches(2).....
Hawkins has the fewest reps(24)....fewest targets(2) and fewest catches(1)...dont know what that means, but there it is...
Mayle is the only player credited with even having a dropped pass.....except he has 3....
He is also the only receiver credited with any penalties.....and he has 2....
Mayle, Jennings and Lenz have the most reps(snaps)....by far.....telling me these 3 are competing for a spot?
Maybe Hawk has the fewest because he's already in?......
Highest PFF rating goes to Jennings(+1.2) and lowest goes to Mayle(-5.8)....
Highest YPC goes to Jennings at 17.....lowest goes to Hawk at -1.....haha...in fairness, he has only one catch....next lowest are Benji and Lenz tied at 5.5 ypc....
Highest YAC goes to Gabe at +7.5 and the lowest YAC goes to Benji at -1.3.....
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heck...it's interesting now......and very hard to figure what their strategy is gonna be.......keep the "best"....keep a few of each type....dunno.....
But.....thinking for the long haul and as close as some of these guys seem in talent/production.....Id say the BEST strategy would be to keep as many as possible.....even if it means PS.....
And the guys we can put on PS are Wynn, Mayle, Jennings and Lenz......everyone else either makes the team or gets waived.....period.
IF we keep the youngsters, then we lose the vets.....(Pryor, Hawk, Gabe, Benji, etc).....
So, it makes sense to me to keep the vets and see how they do.... and if not too good, then we can activate someone from PS.....
But the other way around?.....(keep the kids)....then where do we go if or when they fail?.....
A couple things entered my mind as I read an interesting debate about Hawk being a lock vrs why is he a lock?:
1) Tour brought up some excellent points even though Z reminded that Hawk is a Pettine fave (for good reasons imo).
2) How many times last year with his lack of size in the slot got Hoyer to refrain from throwing a quick slant because of the wing spans/hands in the air from pass rushers ranging from 6-2 to 6-6? Think about it, if the guy is short you can't throw those high and it isn't like we have Randy Moss clearing out underneath for Wes Welker here. If there becomes a reason to insert Manziel - does this get complicated even more?
Cincy decided to upgrade Hawk's lack of height and lack of TDs with taller targets; and nobody made them sorry for doing so. They like their skyline package that Dalton can throw kites to especially in the red zone. In addition, they also drafted a RB like Gio Bernard sort of like us drafting Duke Johnson to attack certain parts of the defense like the flats and grey areas between the flats and hook zones. However, these are areas the QB's passes can clear the pass rushers much easier for shorter/compact targets. Hawk is still a good player to put out there and even consider moving around in certain situations. However, he's not always the best target for our QBs especially if Flip wants to throw a lot of short slant passes this year.
A couple things entered my mind as I read an interesting debate about Hawk being a lock vrs why is he a lock?:
1) Tour brought up some excellent points even though Z reminded that Hawk is a Pettine fave (for good reasons imo).
2) How many times last year with his lack of size in the slot got Hoyer to refrain from throwing a quick slant because of the wing spans/hands in the air from pass rushers ranging from 6-2 to 6-6? Think about it, if the guy is short you can't throw those high and it isn't like we have Randy Moss clearing out underneath for Wes Welker here. If there becomes a reason to insert Manziel - does this get complicated even more?
Never was a fan of the Bowe signing, but that's water under or over something or other...
On Hawk... just a feeling. His lack of production so far may be due to the staff not having to see him, but 1 catch for -1 yards (plus I think a lateral for a small gain.... but it's not in the stats) is not exactly comforting.
Good point on JM... the shorter in stature the QB, the higher you'd expect quick slant throws to have to be. We saw an example in the Bills' game on the slant to the statuesque, 5'10 Benji.
heck...it's interesting now......and very hard to figure what their strategy is gonna be.......keep the "best"....keep a few of each type....dunno.....
Certainly the stated approach for the team as a whole is to keep the best talent, but there are positon minimums. I'm not aware of any minimums within a given position.
Height in some of your WRs is nice, but if some on your roster do not use their height to good effect...
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Gonna guess Benji's punt return closed the door on what chance Shane had...
Early cut gives Shane opportunity to catch on somewhere else, but if he doesn't, then he might end up back on our PS.
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I would not be surprised to see someone take him soon just to see if what he did on the field is an everyday thing or not.
I agree Tour. I thought at the time that runback last Sat.might just seal Wynn's fate. But his prior one might have already gained the attention of another team. We'll see shortly.
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I still think Pryor makes the 53. He's already been informed that he's got at least 2 other teams that want him on their roster.
Last year, Charles Johnson not only made MInnesota's roster.. he became their #1. That's a trend which doesn't need to continue. Lenz and Mayle both to PS, they won't get picked up by anyone else.
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Gonna guess Benji's punt return closed the door on what chance Shane had...
Early cut gives Shane opportunity to catch on somewhere else, but if he doesn't, then he might end up back on our PS.
Gonna guess Benji's punt return closed the door on what chance Shane had...
Early cut gives Shane opportunity to catch on somewhere else, but if he doesn't, then he might end up back on our PS.
Hate to be Captain Obvious- but Benjamin's play against Tampa made him a roster lock. Wasn't just the run back either- had a couple nice catches. Pryor's roster spot depends if he plays Thursday.
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Things are getting too cordial.
All of you are idiots.
Things are getting too cordial.
All of you are idiots.
Why thank you old chap
Any chance we can trade Bowe to Carolina? anywhere?
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Things are getting too cordial.
All of you are idiots.
Why thank you old chap
Any chance we can trade Bowe to Carolina? anywhere?
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Gonna guess Benji's punt return closed the door on what chance Shane had...
Early cut gives Shane opportunity to catch on somewhere else, but if he doesn't, then he might end up back on our PS.
Hate to be Captain Obvious- but Benjamin's play against Tampa made him a roster lock. Wasn't just the run back either- had a couple nice catches. Pryor's roster spot depends if he plays Thursday.
Everything I've heard makes me think Pryor was a lock/project from Day 1. We'll see, but I think he'll be limited if he plays at all Thursday and still makes the team.Hate to be Captain Obvious- but Benjamin's play against Tampa made him a roster lock. Wasn't just the run back either- had a couple nice catches. Pryor's roster spot depends if he plays Thursday.
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Arena probably. Looks a little (no pun intended) like Trindon Holliday. I don't see that good of a player though.You think he is CFL/Arena League material?
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Everything I've heard makes me think Pryor was a lock/project from Day 1. We'll see, but I think he'll be limited if he plays at all Thursday and still makes the team.Hate to be Captain Obvious- but Benjamin's play against Tampa made him a roster lock. Wasn't just the run back either- had a couple nice catches. Pryor's roster spot depends if he plays Thursday.
Everything I've heard makes me think Pryor was a lock/project from Day 1. We'll see, but I think he'll be limited if he plays at all Thursday and still makes the team.
Pettine said in his presser that Pryor making the team didn't necessarily depend on Thursday night. It depends a lot more on making a projection of what he can be, not what he is now or Thursday. His ability to be an emergency QB doesn't hurt, either.
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