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  • calfoxwc C Dedicated Very Popular Conversation Starter Collaborator First Post Posting Machine Reacting Well Week One Done One Year In One Month Later
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    It’s official. As the poll results below show, Ben Carson is now the first choice of Republican voters who will choose the 2016 Republican nominee for president.


    Wow!


    I didn’t think Ben Carson would soar to the top this fast.



    debate_rankings250.jpg?1439828784

    Yes, there are other polls out there that show Ben Carson as low as third place, but these polls are skewed because they include independents and, in the case of NBC, people who did not even watch the debate!


    And, that’s not all the good news…


    The Democrat survey firm, Public Policy Polling, released new survey results on August 12, 2015 showing thatBen Carson beats Hillary Clinton in a head-to-head contest in Iowa 44% to 40%.


    No other Republican candidate defeats Hillary in Iowa by that margin.


    Wow, again.


    And, perhaps you saw in the newspapers or on TV that Ben Carson is drawing huge crowds. No matter where he goes, thousands of people turn out to see and hear him.


    Yet more good news…


    Polling shows that among all the Republican candidates for president, Ben Carson is number one with millennials—the 18 to 33 years old voters.


    I’m excited, and you should be too.


    Of course, it’s still very early, but these poll results are certainly encouraging. That doesn’t mean that the polls won’t go up and down, but I’m confident that Ben Carson has the staying power needed to win.


    But, I need to stop right here.


    Make no mistake about it. You deserve the credit for Ben Carson’s rise in the polls and his growing success.


    Of course, our blessings come from God, so he deserves our first thanks.


    But, I want you to know that your faithful support of Ben Carson is greatly appreciated and is having a huge impact.


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      DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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      Trump 2016.

      "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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        Thanks for posting every email you get from his campaign

        Not to mention "who won the debate?" and "who do you want to be the nominee?" aren't the same question.

        They also didn't source that poll.

        Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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          A. I do not post all of them. That's a stupid, woodypeckerhead ass-umption.

          B. And a pear isn't an apple. But you are a woodpecker.

          C. They don't have to. They aren't trying to influence the likes of you.

          I get their emails, because I want Carson to be the nominee, or VP.

          D. Stop your everyday whining, just freakin once.

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            gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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            http://www.ontheissues.org/Ben_Carson.htm

            In case anyone is curious on his policies (I'd heard none, so decided to research). Some fairly sensible things in there, some fairly bat-shit things in there. So, a standard politician...

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              C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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              I think you are full of bat-shit, Chris.

              What is it that you don't like?

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                DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                http://www.OnTheIssues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

                "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                  Give gays rights, but not marriage, because it's a choice

                  Redefining marriage is slippery slope with disastrous ending

                  God says tithe at 10%; no triple tithe for bumper crops.

                  Eradicate poverty by providing education and requiring work

                  ObamaCare is the worst thing since slavery

                  Obamacare is about restriction and control

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                    http://www.OnTheIssues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

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                    @diehardbrownsfan said:

                    http://www.OnTheIssues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

                    Speaking of bat-shit...

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                      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                      Give gays rights, but not marriage, because it's a choice


                      Redefining marriage is slippery slope with disastrous ending


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                      No, he's exactly correct. And it's proving to be the truth. You're a lib, so you hate that....


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                      God says tithe at 10%; no triple tithe for bumper crops.


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                      Do you know what this means? I have my own understand of tithing, which was a voluntary


                      donation to the religios elders of the Jewish tribes, mostly of food. Because the elders were their


                      "government"...and didn't farm, etc etc. We already pay that to OUR gov, whereby it is not a religious gov,


                      and neither are our churches anymore. Carson doesn't believe in a progressive rate tax. That is smart.


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                      Eradicate poverty by providing education and requiring work


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                      Seriously? You don't get this, and think it's crazy? Not for the disabled, unable to work crowd, but


                      for a whole lot of perfectly healthy, entitlement sloths.


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                      ObamaCare is the worst thing since slavery


                      Obamacare is about restriction and control


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                      Sure, Chris, tell Carson all about how about race and slavery.


                      And, it IS about restriction and control. Google that. Talk to local drs who have found it out.


                      Pitiful try on the cover up.



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                      WHAT? That is what you think is "bat-shit crazy" ??? LOLOLOL

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                        Give gays rights, but not marriage, because it's a choice

                        Redefining marriage is slippery slope with disastrous ending

                        God says tithe at 10%; no triple tithe for bumper crops.

                        Eradicate poverty by providing education and requiring work

                        ObamaCare is the worst thing since slavery

                        Obamacare is about restriction and control

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                        W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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                        @gftchris said:

                        Give gays rights, but not marriage, because it's a choice

                        Redefining marriage is slippery slope with disastrous ending

                        God says tithe at 10%; no triple tithe for bumper crops.

                        Eradicate poverty by providing education and requiring work

                        ObamaCare is the worst thing since slavery

                        Obamacare is about restriction and control

                        Well

                        We understand that any reference to God not made by a Democrat will set some people off.

                        Requiring work sounds like a fine idea to me.

                        Worse than slavery? Slavery was worldwide and on its way out of favour and is now eliminated in most of the civilized world. Obamacare will only grow and fester.

                        Of course it's about restriction and control. Anything people need, health care, transportation, food, shelter etc etc if it is controlled by the government the people are controlled by the government.

                        WSS

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                          @diehardbrownsfan said:

                          http://www.OnTheIssues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

                          Speaking of bat-shit...

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                          DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by DieHardBrownsFan
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                          @gftchris said:

                          Speaking of bat-shit...

                          Thankfully, your opinion is useless in this matter.

                          "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                            @gftchris said:

                            Speaking of bat-shit...

                            Thankfully, your opinion is useless in this matter.

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                            gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                            @diehardbrownsfan said:

                            Thankfully, your opinion is useless in this matter.

                            Sadly, yours isn't.

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                              C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                              Sadly, you're wrong, Chris. And THANK YOU for living in Great Britain.

                              Seriously. Say, how about you inviting Woody over there to be

                              a roomate, eh? Find him a job.

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                                @gftchris said:

                                Give gays rights, but not marriage, because it's a choice

                                Redefining marriage is slippery slope with disastrous ending

                                God says tithe at 10%; no triple tithe for bumper crops.

                                Eradicate poverty by providing education and requiring work

                                ObamaCare is the worst thing since slavery

                                Obamacare is about restriction and control

                                Well

                                We understand that any reference to God not made by a Democrat will set some people off.

                                Requiring work sounds like a fine idea to me.

                                Worse than slavery? Slavery was worldwide and on its way out of favour and is now eliminated in most of the civilized world. Obamacare will only grow and fester.

                                Of course it's about restriction and control. Anything people need, health care, transportation, food, shelter etc etc if it is controlled by the government the people are controlled by the government.

                                WSS

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                                gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                @westside-steve said:

                                Well

                                We understand that any reference to God not made by a Democrat will set some people off.

                                Missing the point completely. As with all things, it's not about believing in god. It's about saying "well god said this, so we should run our country that way" - regardless of whether a 10% tax would actually generate enough tax income. A quick search puts average wage at around $50k; 10% tax is $5k per 'working aged person' (67% of pop.) and assuming they're all employed, as per the requirement below, that generates an income of:

                                $5k * 320m * 67% ~ $1tn.

                                Last year's income tax total was $1.7tn - so you immediately have a shortfall of $700bn. Given his stances on other issues, I'm guessing he wouldn't plan to raise taxes in other areas to account for that.

                                Requiring work sounds like a fine idea to me.

                                For everybody of working age? What about someone who wins the lottery? Or who makes investments that pay off so they don't have to work? Or people that work a nice contract for 9 months of the year, so they can not work the other 3 months ? Do we force cut NFL players to work at a grocery store? Or extreme-cal, being self-sufficient on his farm - generates his own electricity, food, etc, but has an income of maybe a few thousand a year from selling excess produce. There's no shortage of people who wouldn't work for legitimate reasons.

                                I don't wholly object to making people claiming whatever the US version of job seekers' allowance is work a little to get it, but requiring work for all is nonsense.

                                Worse than slavery? Slavery was worldwide and on its way out of favour and is now eliminated in most of the civilized world. Obamacare will only grow and fester.

                                He's not saying it's worse than slavery (he's not that dumb), just the worst thing since slavery. This is, presumably, in comparison to all the terrorist attacks, wars, the holocaust, the great depression, japanese interment camps, and a bunch of other things I'm sure. Just for reference, he's comparing a way for everyone to have medical insurance to these things.

                                Of course it's about restriction and control. Anything people need, health care, transportation, food, shelter etc etc if it is controlled by the government the people are controlled by the government.

                                Controlled in what way? Health care is nationalised here, as you know, public transportation is tendered out by the government so they have final say. And I certainly don't feel 'controlled' more than other places. I know a lot of people here are part of the 'conspiracy-theory generation' but that's a bit ridiculous.

                                WSS

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                                  So in section 1 you are just disputing a 10 percent fair tax system?

                                  (and you're upset there was a reference to the tithes)

                                  Well apparently the Masters agree with you since the time the income tax was started it has balloons out of control with no end in sight.

                                  Second yes for anyone able to work. Of course if you are a lottery winner or financial planner or something that means there is income so what's your point? Remember the idea that working as a remedy for poverty was the idea and in those cases poverty is not part of the equation. And yes I believe everyone should do something and not just sponge off the government. (And please no references to vegetables in the hospital or brain dead people or anything silly like that) I don't suppose the education part angers you as well?

                                  Slavery and all the other things that worry you so have been eliminated. Terrorism hasn't been a United States policy as far as I know. Perhaps the Europeans disagree. Only Obamacare will grow, completely changing the fabric of American society. Some say for the worse.

                                  Also slavery is the outrage du jour today. We got rid of it long ago and still cry about it, even though we aren't attacking other countries who openly practice it today. Paper Tiger? Strawman?

                                  Well you can call it a conspiracy if you like but handing out free shit and then threatening to take it away once people are addicted to it unless they keep you in the ruling class... Call it what you will sir.

                                  I think that's underscored by the fact you became angry that someone suggest people work. How dare someone suggest I should work! You owe me a living! See what I mean?

                                  Anyhow (whether I agree completely or not) I don't suppose a flat tax, requiring work for those able and being against socialized medicine fall under the category of bat shit crazy.

                                  PS I think socialized medicine beginning with FDR has fucked up a lot of things. I think it's one reason it's so ridiculously expensive and taken for granted. But that's another discussion.

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                                    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                    Anything said that isn't 100% positive about Carson causes Cal to respond with an insult haha. Fact or not. Without even responding to the points brought up, the response in just an insult....

                                    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                                      Anything said that isn't 100% positive about Carson causes Cal to respond with an insult haha. Fact or not. Without even responding to the points brought up, the response in just an insult....

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                                      @mld-woody said:

                                      Anything said that isn't 100% positive about Carson causes Cal to respond with an insult haha. Fact or not. Without even responding to the points brought up, the response in just an insult....

                                      And vice versa with you sir.

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                                        Sadly, you're wrong, Chris. And THANK YOU for living in Great Britain.

                                        Seriously. Say, how about you inviting Woody over there to be

                                        a roomate, eh? Find him a job.

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                                        @calfoxwc said:

                                        Sadly, you're wrong, Chris. And THANK YOU for living in Great Britain.

                                        Seriously. Say, how about you inviting Woody over there to be

                                        a roomate, eh? Find him a job.

                                        Butt buddies so to speak......

                                        "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                                          So in section 1 you are just disputing a 10 percent fair tax system?

                                          (and you're upset there was a reference to the tithes)

                                          Well apparently the Masters agree with you since the time the income tax was started it has balloons out of control with no end in sight.

                                          Second yes for anyone able to work. Of course if you are a lottery winner or financial planner or something that means there is income so what's your point? Remember the idea that working as a remedy for poverty was the idea and in those cases poverty is not part of the equation. And yes I believe everyone should do something and not just sponge off the government. (And please no references to vegetables in the hospital or brain dead people or anything silly like that) I don't suppose the education part angers you as well?

                                          Slavery and all the other things that worry you so have been eliminated. Terrorism hasn't been a United States policy as far as I know. Perhaps the Europeans disagree. Only Obamacare will grow, completely changing the fabric of American society. Some say for the worse.

                                          Also slavery is the outrage du jour today. We got rid of it long ago and still cry about it, even though we aren't attacking other countries who openly practice it today. Paper Tiger? Strawman?

                                          Well you can call it a conspiracy if you like but handing out free shit and then threatening to take it away once people are addicted to it unless they keep you in the ruling class... Call it what you will sir.

                                          I think that's underscored by the fact you became angry that someone suggest people work. How dare someone suggest I should work! You owe me a living! See what I mean?

                                          Anyhow (whether I agree completely or not) I don't suppose a flat tax, requiring work for those able and being against socialized medicine fall under the category of bat shit crazy.

                                          PS I think socialized medicine beginning with FDR has fucked up a lot of things. I think it's one reason it's so ridiculously expensive and taken for granted. But that's another discussion.

                                          WSS

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                                          gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                          @westside-steve said:

                                          So in section 1 you are just disputing a 10 percent fair tax system?

                                          (and you're upset there was a reference to the tithes)

                                          Well apparently the Masters agree with you since the time the income tax was started it has balloons out of control with no end in sight.

                                          I'm not sure how I could have made it much clearer? He's just taken that figure from the bible, said that because says this we must live like this, without even pausing to think how it might be applied to the country today. This is linked to criticism of him on other things where his religious beliefs don't align with what's the best thing for the country/world and yet he's sticking to them.

                                          Second yes for anyone able to work. Of course if you are a lottery winner or financial planner or something that means there is income so what's your point? Remember the idea that working as a remedy for poverty was the idea and in those cases poverty is not part of the equation. And yes I believe everyone should do something and not just sponge off the government. (And please no references to vegetables in the hospital or brain dead people or anything silly like that) I don't suppose the education part angers you as well?

                                          Why would I have anything against education? I'm guessing, though, he might not be in favour of teaching evolution etc.

                                          Digging deeper in to what he said, it seems his requirement to work is only attached to anybody receiving benefits. As I said before, I'm not actually against that, as long as it still enables people to find work, is used for the benefit of society and not as a stick (as opposed to carrot).

                                          Slavery and all the other things that worry you so have been eliminated. Terrorism hasn't been a United States policy as far as I know. Perhaps the Europeans disagree. Only Obamacare will grow, completely changing the fabric of American society. Some say for the worse.

                                          Also slavery is the outrage du jour today. We got rid of it long ago and still cry about it, even though we aren't attacking other countries who openly practice it today. Paper Tiger? Strawman?

                                          He said "You know Obamacare is really I think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery" - he's not talking about government policy. He's saying that access to medical insurance is worse than 9/11, worse than all the racism in the early-mid 20th century, and anything else you can think of. Worse than the collection of Browns QBs.

                                          Well you can call it a conspiracy if you like but handing out free shit and then threatening to take it away once people are addicted to it unless they keep you in the ruling class... Call it what you will sir.

                                          I think that's underscored by the fact you became angry that someone suggest people work. How dare someone suggest I should work! You owe me a living! See what I mean?

                                          Those words you're trying to put in my mouth - they don't fit.

                                          Anyhow (whether I agree completely or not) I don't suppose a flat tax, requiring work for those able and being against socialized medicine fall under the category of bat shit crazy.

                                          PS I think socialized medicine beginning with FDR has fucked up a lot of things. I think it's one reason it's so ridiculously expensive and taken for granted. But that's another discussion.

                                          WSS

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