So having Kruger following TE's and slot receivers worked so well they tried it with Armonty?
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I was screaming my head off on that play and hope someone from media asks about it. I also noticed Kruger rushed the passer a lot more, especially from the three point stance, and it led to more pressure.
I was screaming my head off on that play and hope someone from media asks about it. I also noticed Kruger rushed the passer a lot more, especially from the three point stance, and it led to more pressure.
Was that the 3rd and 12 play where they ran some type of delayed blitz with Campbell that did nothing and Armonty was trying to keep pace with Jones on that crossing route and wasn't even close?
My wife looked up from her iPad and said, "Our guy is really slow.... why do they have him trying to tackle their fast guy." I almost cried laughing.
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The linebackers are definitely an issue......all are pretty much one dimensional and the other teams are using that against us....
TE's are covered by LB's all day every day......apparently ours aren't good enough to do it.....
If we have one that can cover and one that can rush and one that plays the run well etc.....then all the other team has to do is read the D alignment, make an adjustment at the line and expose the mismatch.....
Happens again and again and again.....
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I was screaming my head off on that play and hope someone from media asks about it. I also noticed Kruger rushed the passer a lot more, especially from the three point stance, and it led to more pressure.
Was that the 3rd and 12 play where they ran some type of delayed blitz with Campbell that did nothing and Armonty was trying to keep pace with Jones on that crossing route and wasn't even close?
My wife looked up from her iPad and said, "Our guy is really slow.... why do they have him trying to tackle their fast guy." I almost cried laughing.
Was that the 3rd and 12 play where they ran some type of delayed blitz with Campbell that did nothing and Armonty was trying to keep pace on that crossing route and wasn't even close?
My wife looked up from her iPad and said, "Our guy is really slow.... why do they have him trying to tackle their fast guy." I almost cried laughing.
Yeah pretty sure that was the one. Your wife probably knows little to nothing about football but properly deciphered the inherent fallacy of that coverage scheme. Let's see....big guy chasing little guy in open space, weird game eh?
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The linebackers are definitely an issue......all are pretty much one dimensional and the other teams are using that against us....
TE's are covered by LB's all day every day......apparently ours aren't good enough to do it.....
If we have one that can cover and one that can rush and one that plays the run well etc.....then all the other team has to do is read the D alignment, make an adjustment at the line and expose the mismatch.....
Happens again and again and again.....
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Oneil calls defense like he got his job by winning a Madden competition - back in the day when nonsense like this would work against a bad AI.
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The linebackers are definitely an issue......all are pretty much one dimensional and the other teams are using that against us....
TE's are covered by LB's all day every day......apparently ours aren't good enough to do it.....
If we have one that can cover and one that can rush and one that plays the run well etc.....then all the other team has to do is read the D alignment, make an adjustment at the line and expose the mismatch.....
Happens again and again and again.....
If we have one that can cover and one that can rush and one that plays the run well etc.....then all the other team has to do is read the D alignment, make an adjustment at the line and expose the mismatch.....
Happens again and again and again.....
which btw is why I've been screaming for a couple years now about why we often have two hybrid type Jack's on the field at the same time. This is why we have a guy like Mingo. He should NEVER be at the LOS unless in long passing down situations where he can line up wide. His job is to situational speed rush, drop into coverage and make tackles in the run game but not be the edge setter. You always protect the will with the big 3 or 5 tech on his side. The Jack on the other side is supposed to power rush the QB, set the edge and drop back into zone when necessary. He's usually a slightly smaller but more athletic DE type. That's how I thought they were going to run this 3-4 defense. Kruger and Armonty would keep each other fresh at the strong side spot and play around at the Will spot with a rotation of Mingo, Orchard and maybe one other guy....depending on matchups.
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Was that the 3rd and 12 play where they ran some type of delayed blitz with Campbell that did nothing and Armonty was trying to keep pace on that crossing route and wasn't even close?
My wife looked up from her iPad and said, "Our guy is really slow.... why do they have him trying to tackle their fast guy." I almost cried laughing.
Yeah pretty sure that was the one. Your wife probably knows little to nothing about football but properly deciphered the inherent fallacy of that coverage scheme. Let's see....big guy chasing little guy in open space, weird game eh?
Yeah pretty sure that was the one. Your wife probably knows little to nothing about football but properly deciphered the inherent fallacy of that coverage scheme. Let's see....big guy chasing little guy in open space, weird game eh?
Yep, that's why I laughed my ass off.... she said that and went back to her Ipad. Knows nothing about the game, but figured out what O'Neil hasn't in two years.... haha
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I was screaming my head off on that play and hope someone from media asks about it. I also noticed Kruger rushed the passer a lot more, especially from the three point stance, and it led to more pressure.
Was that the 3rd and 12 play where they ran some type of delayed blitz with Campbell that did nothing and Armonty was trying to keep pace with Jones on that crossing route and wasn't even close?
My wife looked up from her iPad and said, "Our guy is really slow.... why do they have him trying to tackle their fast guy." I almost cried laughing.
Was that the 3rd and 12 play where they ran some type of delayed blitz with Campbell that did nothing and Armonty was trying to keep pace with Jones on that crossing route and wasn't even close?
My wife looked up from her iPad and said, "Our guy is really slow.... why do they have him trying to tackle their fast guy." I almost cried laughing.
I'd just add as I wrote in another thread as well that outside of what's being noted in the thread, that was the worst blitz call I've ever seen watching football. That's not a joke in the slightest, I've never overtly seen a blitz call that lousy. Sending a safety 12 yards deep on a delayed blitz that took 4 seconds (I counted) to get there just to be picked up. Holy Dear Jesus.
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I was screaming my head off on that play and hope someone from media asks about it. I also noticed Kruger rushed the passer a lot more, especially from the three point stance, and it led to more pressure.
Was that the 3rd and 12 play where they ran some type of delayed blitz with Campbell that did nothing and Armonty was trying to keep pace with Jones on that crossing route and wasn't even close?
My wife looked up from her iPad and said, "Our guy is really slow.... why do they have him trying to tackle their fast guy." I almost cried laughing.
Was that the 3rd and 12 play where they ran some type of delayed blitz with Campbell that did nothing and Armonty was trying to keep pace with Jones on that crossing route and wasn't even close?
My wife looked up from her iPad and said, "Our guy is really slow.... why do they have him trying to tackle their fast guy." I almost cried laughing.
Yes, that's the one. I think your wife would be a better DC than O'Neil.
I honestly said not a word, I just stared at the screen. Srsly. At first I was like that's a nice job out of Armonty pursuing the play downfield. Then on replay I was like wait, where's 95 at the LOS? Then I saw that the play had him dropped back and he was the guy responsible for the slot. I was quite literally dumbstruck. I kept waiting for an explanation from the commentators about how we had some kind of a substitution screw up that left an extra OLB'er out there and they screamed at him to drop back and just do what you can. I was hoping that was it but then I realized this is the same play I've seen multiple times now with Kruger, trailing a TE or WR across the middle. It literally is the intended matchup. I have no expllanation
The only explanation I've been able to come up with is this: last year, when Pettine was running the defense and it was decent, we never saw such idiotic play-calling. This year, Pettine left the defense in O'Neil's hands. Now O'Neil wants to make a name for himself as a DC and he can't do that by just running what Pettine already established, so decides he is going to 'innovate' by tweaking Pettine's defense. Enter tons of substitutions per game, enter confusing concepts like telling defensive linemen to react to how the o-line tries to block them (instead of giving them gap responsibility) and then telling linebackers to react based on what the d-line (who are now acting unpredictably) to do. Enter putting defensive ends (because that's really what Kruger and Bryant are if you put them into a 4-3 defense) into coverage. Enter the worst run defense in football, and one of the worst pass defenses.
If I had my way, Farmer would be fired now so we could get another GM in here quickly and give him time to get integrated, O'Neil would be fired or at least demoted to his role from last year, and Pettine would be instructed to run the defense as the head coach like he did last year.
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You know for shits and giggles cause I looked up Tom Landry to see when he died cause I was making the joke that we'd be calling for the ghost of Tom Landry to be fired after a year. What was interesting is that I saw he is the inventor of the modern 4-3 defense. They used to line up a D lineman 2 yds infront of the center, it was Landry's D that in essence created the 4-3 MLB'er. He also did interesting stuff with the lineman, lining "some" of them up a step or two back from the others in order to maximize their run pursuit angles.
Something tells me if we actually brought that SOB back from the dead and told him to go coach the Browns, he'd have our front 4 a lot more active in run defense. I just bet some old school principles might actually work in certain facets of todays game.
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You know for shits and giggles cause I looked up Tom Landry to see when he died cause I was making the joke that we'd be calling for the ghost of Tom Landry to be fired after a year. What was interesting is that I saw he is the inventor of the modern 4-3 defense. They used to line up a D lineman 2 yds infront of the center, it was Landry's D that in essence created the 4-3 MLB'er. He also did interesting stuff with the lineman, lining "some" of them up a step or two back from the others in order to maximize their run pursuit angles.
Something tells me if we actually brought that SOB back from the dead and told him to go coach the Browns, he'd have our front 4 a lot more active in run defense. I just bet some old school principles might actually work in certain facets of todays game.
You know for shits and giggles cause I looked up Tom Landry to see when he died cause I was making the joke that we'd be calling for the ghost of Tom Landry to be fired after a year. What was interesting is that I saw he is the inventor of the modern 4-3 defense. They used to line up a D lineman 2 yds infront of the center, it was Landry's D that in essence created the 4-3 MLB'er. He also did interesting stuff with the lineman, lining "some" of them up a step or two back from the others in order to maximize their run pursuit angles.
Yup... When he was DC for NYG and (I believe) Lombardi was the OC...
The D was so dominant, and the O so pathetic, that to prevent starting the afternoon with boos, NYG became the first team to introduce their Defense before the game.
And the DL alignment with some a step off the line was the beginning of the "Flex" Landry famously ran in Dallas.
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You know for shits and giggles cause I looked up Tom Landry to see when he died cause I was making the joke that we'd be calling for the ghost of Tom Landry to be fired after a year. What was interesting is that I saw he is the inventor of the modern 4-3 defense. They used to line up a D lineman 2 yds infront of the center, it was Landry's D that in essence created the 4-3 MLB'er. He also did interesting stuff with the lineman, lining "some" of them up a step or two back from the others in order to maximize their run pursuit angles.
Yup... When he was DC for NYG and (I believe) Lombardi was the OC...
The D was so dominant, and the O so pathetic, that to prevent starting the afternoon with boos, NYG became the first team to introduce their Defense before the game.
And the DL alignment with some a step off the line was the beginning of the "Flex" Landry famously ran in Dallas.
Jim Howell as HC had it made with Landry as DC and Lombardi as OC.Yup... When he was DC for NYG and (I believe) Lombardi was the OC...The D was so dominant, and the O so pathetic, that to prevent starting the afternoon with boos, NYG became the first team to introduce their Defense before the game.And the DL alignment with some a step off the line was the beginning of the "Flex" Landry famously ran in Dallas.
Howell made a comment that with those 2 guys on the coaching staff, all he had to do was make sure the footballs had air.
That's more than Bill Belichik has done.
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I mean did anyone notice that in the 1st quarter? I'm sorry i know my name ends with 4life but i might be done with the season if I see one more DL/OLB'er not named Mingo trailing after a TE or slot receiver across the middle. I'm not a football guru, armchair fanboy like all of us....but seriously this is now in the realm of surreal. You don't need to work on an NFL coaching staff to understand that dropping a hybrid jack OLB'er who last year played 5 tech DE, into man coverage against players that your safety couldn't keep up with........is beyond the realm of preposterous. It's the exact same route i've watched Kruger get burned on a couple times so far this year. I wrote about this in the preseason game against the Bills where I saw it for the first time with Kruger. That's why i don't think this was a mistake or blown coverage.
I know i've been saying for weeks that we should can the fire Mike Pettine talk cause it'll do us vastly more harm than good. But if this shit keeps up, it proves to me he's delliberately fucking off for some reason. I don't believe for a second that someone would have even made it past the HS level that thought these kind of personnel matchups were creatively sneaky. Like this'll surprise em, they won't know what to do with this look........besides audible to that receiver every time and clear out one side of the field so he has nothing but an green meadow infront of him and the endzone. Nobody makes it into the NFL that goofs around like that. If Pettine has anything to do with that continuing call that has cost us big plays multiple times and gotten us laughed at by all major football analysts wondering what on gods earth is our defense doing dropping those guys into coverage........he's got to be fired.
I mean did anyone notice that in the 1st quarter? I'm sorry i know my name ends with 4life but i might be done with the season if I see one more DL/OLB'er not named Mingo trailing after a TE or slot receiver across the middle. I'm not a football guru, armchair fanboy like all of us....but seriously this is now in the realm of surreal. You don't need to work on an NFL coaching staff to understand that dropping a hybrid jack OLB'er who last year played 5 tech DE, into man coverage against players that your safety couldn't keep up with........is beyond the realm of preposterous. It's the exact same route i've watched Kruger get burned on a couple times so far this year. I wrote about this in the preseason game against the Bills where I saw it for the first time with Kruger. That's why i don't think this was a mistake or blown coverage.
I know i've been saying for weeks that we should can the fire Mike Pettine talk cause it'll do us vastly more harm than good. But if this shit keeps up, it proves to me he's delliberately fucking off for some reason. I don't believe for a second that someone would have even made it past the HS level that thought these kind of personnel matchups were creatively sneaky. Like this'll surprise em, they won't know what to do with this look........besides audible to that receiver every time and clear out one side of the field so he has nothing but an green meadow infront of him and the endzone. Nobody makes it into the NFL that goofs around like that. If Pettine has anything to do with that continuing call that has cost us big plays multiple times and gotten us laughed at by all major football analysts wondering what on gods earth is our defense doing dropping those guys into coverage........he's got to be fired.
I'd wager one of the issues is they didn't feel comfortable one on one vs Green or Sanu. At some point you have a weak spot.
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I mean did anyone notice that in the 1st quarter? I'm sorry i know my name ends with 4life but i might be done with the season if I see one more DL/OLB'er not named Mingo trailing after a TE or slot receiver across the middle. I'm not a football guru, armchair fanboy like all of us....but seriously this is now in the realm of surreal. You don't need to work on an NFL coaching staff to understand that dropping a hybrid jack OLB'er who last year played 5 tech DE, into man coverage against players that your safety couldn't keep up with........is beyond the realm of preposterous. It's the exact same route i've watched Kruger get burned on a couple times so far this year. I wrote about this in the preseason game against the Bills where I saw it for the first time with Kruger. That's why i don't think this was a mistake or blown coverage.
I know i've been saying for weeks that we should can the fire Mike Pettine talk cause it'll do us vastly more harm than good. But if this shit keeps up, it proves to me he's delliberately fucking off for some reason. I don't believe for a second that someone would have even made it past the HS level that thought these kind of personnel matchups were creatively sneaky. Like this'll surprise em, they won't know what to do with this look........besides audible to that receiver every time and clear out one side of the field so he has nothing but an green meadow infront of him and the endzone. Nobody makes it into the NFL that goofs around like that. If Pettine has anything to do with that continuing call that has cost us big plays multiple times and gotten us laughed at by all major football analysts wondering what on gods earth is our defense doing dropping those guys into coverage........he's got to be fired.
I'd wager one of the issues is they didn't feel comfortable one on one vs Green or Sanu. At some point you have a weak spot.
I'd wager one of the issues is they didn't feel comfortable one on one vs Green or Sanu. At some point you have a weak spot.
I understand but at some point you just have to look at your guys and say "cover someone"....cause we can't give you help all over the field that then necissitates one of big men covering a slot receiver.
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IT's just a bad scheme all around. It needs tossed out
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