Contradictions hurting team and players.....
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Ultimately, here's the thing: If Pettine gets fired, who takes over?! We have basically zero head coaching experience on our current staff, so if you fire Pettine, who takes over? Suppose we make it to the end of the season and then we fire Pettine, and probably everyone else. Who do we bring in? We're an absolute disaster. Obviously the job is still an NFL head coaching position, and there will be people interested, but if it comes down to the Browns job or another opening...are we really going to get the best available candidate?
Well...I would say there's two basic options if we are looking for a new coach. It's either going to be some coordinator that most of us have never heard of and maybe Farmer keeps his job and you bring in a coach who wants to work with Johnny. The complete opposite end of the spectrum is Jimmy backs up the truck for a Sean Payton or Gruden or Cowher or someone like that but in that case everyone is blown out. A guy like that coming here is going to want full and total control over everything.
Which means bye-bye Farmer.A guy like that coming here is going to want full and total control over everything.
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Which means bye-bye Farmer.
That's what I mean...if its a big name guy...its a total reboot of the franchise (again). Bring in a coordinator or even a college coach, I would think Farmer stays (for continuity) and maybe even some of the coordinators stay as well.
Just my opinion but I would bet that's how it works.
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blame the HC for lack of talent?
ummm...........
i'd rather our GM take a chance on someone i've heard of who's played for a power ranked team than him wheeling and dealing to collect 2 more 6th rounders who end up not making the team. just because our record of drafting bums in the first round doesn't mean you stop. cards get reshuffled and once in while you get the hot hand.
can't blame pettine for farmer's shortcomings. can't blame pettine when the pick can't even make the practice squad.
maybe the people of power need to let their employees do their jobs and fans might need to have more trust considering these people do this for a living and have been doing it for awhile. i mean how many people can say right now, that they are one of only 32 other people in the world that do what they do at their level?
backseat drivers and monday morning coaches are great until you go on an 8 hour road trip or come on a fan based forum after another loss.
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blame the HC for lack of talent?
ummm...........
i'd rather our GM take a chance on someone i've heard of who's played for a power ranked team than him wheeling and dealing to collect 2 more 6th rounders who end up not making the team. just because our record of drafting bums in the first round doesn't mean you stop. cards get reshuffled and once in while you get the hot hand.
can't blame pettine for farmer's shortcomings. can't blame pettine when the pick can't even make the practice squad.
maybe the people of power need to let their employees do their jobs and fans might need to have more trust considering these people do this for a living and have been doing it for awhile. i mean how many people can say right now, that they are one of only 32 other people in the world that do what they do at their level?
backseat drivers and monday morning coaches are great until you go on an 8 hour road trip or come on a fan based forum after another loss.
Agree, I'm more of a believer that Farmer hasn't brought in shit for talent.blame the HC for lack of talent?
ummm...........
i'd rather our GM take a chance on someone i've heard of who's played for a power ranked team than him wheeling and dealing to collect 2 more 6th rounders who end up not making the team. just because our record of drafting bums in the first round doesn't mean you stop. cards get reshuffled and once in while you get the hot hand.
can't blame pettine for farmer's shortcomings. can't blame pettine when the pick can't even make the practice squad.
maybe the people of power need to let their employees do their jobs.
backseat drivers and monday morning coaches are great until you go on an 8 hour road trip or come on a fan based forum after another loss.
If I'm Haslam and I'm being forced to get rid of either Pet or Farmer...bye Ray!
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blame the HC for lack of talent?
ummm...........
i'd rather our GM take a chance on someone i've heard of who's played for a power ranked team than him wheeling and dealing to collect 2 more 6th rounders who end up not making the team. just because our record of drafting bums in the first round doesn't mean you stop. cards get reshuffled and once in while you get the hot hand.
can't blame pettine for farmer's shortcomings. can't blame pettine when the pick can't even make the practice squad.
maybe the people of power need to let their employees do their jobs and fans might need to have more trust considering these people do this for a living and have been doing it for awhile. i mean how many people can say right now, that they are one of only 32 other people in the world that do what they do at their level?
backseat drivers and monday morning coaches are great until you go on an 8 hour road trip or come on a fan based forum after another loss.
blame the HC for lack of talent?
ummm...........
i'd rather our GM take a chance on someone i've heard of who's played for a power ranked team than him wheeling and dealing to collect 2 more 6th rounders who end up not making the team. just because our record of drafting bums in the first round doesn't mean you stop. cards get reshuffled and once in while you get the hot hand.
can't blame pettine for farmer's shortcomings. can't blame pettine when the pick can't even make the practice squad.
maybe the people of power need to let their employees do their jobs and fans might need to have more trust considering these people do this for a living and have been doing it for awhile. i mean how many people can say right now, that they are one of only 32 other people in the world that do what they do at their level?
backseat drivers and monday morning coaches are great until you go on an 8 hour road trip or come on a fan based forum after another loss.
I agree with you on this. Peter King said in his column this morning that the Browns should be drafting Paxton Lynch with the first overall pick if we end up there. Now he might be a great prospect and all but we've all seen it's not the quarterback that is losing this team games. We need help on defense.
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Doug Marrone?
Doug Marrone?
He is the o-line coach for the Jaguars. Their o-line is turrible.
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Mike Pettine is a dumb piece of shit, that's how.
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Doug Marrone?
He is the o-line coach for the Jaguars. Their o-line is turrible.
He is the o-line coach for the Jaguars. Their o-line is turrible.
I liked what did in Buffalo as HC, I literally have no idea who else we'd possibly get in...
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He is the o-line coach for the Jaguars. Their o-line is turrible.
I liked what did in Buffalo as HC, I literally have no idea who else we'd possibly get in...
I liked what did in Buffalo as HC, I literally have no idea who else we'd possibly get in...
He went 9-7 in buffalo, which was a good result, then got run out of town. Ask the bills guy (George?) about how he's viewed there. If you think Pettine is egotistical, he's like the pope compared to Marrone.
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He is the o-line coach for the Jaguars. Their o-line is turrible.
I liked what did in Buffalo as HC, I literally have no idea who else we'd possibly get in...
I liked what did in Buffalo as HC, I literally have no idea who else we'd possibly get in...
There would be plenty of options. Just about any coordinator in the NFL would be happy to make the step up to the HC position. As somone else said, there's only 32 of these jobs in the world. Its just a matter of is that person going to be any better than what we have.
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Kyle Shanahan getting the job would be about the funniest thing possible. He's going to be a HC candidate very soon.
Peyton Manning for QB coach, Joe Thomas for GM/LT.
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Does it really matter what no-name is brought in next?
He will get ran out of town in 1-2 years anyway.
It's deja vu all over again.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Kyle Shanahan getting the job would be about the funniest thing possible. He's going to be a HC candidate very soon.
Peyton Manning for QB coach, Joe Thomas for GM/LT.
Kyle Shanahan getting the job would be about the funniest thing possible. He's going to be a HC candidate very soon.
Peyton Manning for QB coach, Joe Thomas for GM/LT.
Peyton Manning is not going to be a QB Coach.
Shanahan was a candidate for jobs last offseason if I'm not mistaken and will likely get hired by someone.
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Mike Pettine is a dumb piece of shit, that's how.
Mike Pettine is a dumb piece of shit, that's how.
and he knows more about football in one brain cell than you will ever know.
let's see your resume compared to his?
love people that call someone out or yell and scream to get someone fired yet if the shoe was on the other foot would be shocked and in dismay that people can be such assholes.
so when you started on your career path doing whatever it is you do, did you know everything there is to know about your job in your first year? no learning curve? no OTJ training? you just walked in and were top notch, top level and had nothing to ever learn. and now that you are a manager and have 10 dummies to manage and not all of them are good dummies, people from outside are saying you should be fired because you can't manage your dummies. meanwhile this is your dream job and your family depends on you. you are praying every night that some asshole like you is not calling you a dumb shit and writing to your boss and asking for your job. meanwhile that asshole knows jack shit about what you do or how you do it. just an asshole is all.
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Does it really matter what no-name is brought in next?
He will get ran out of town in 1-2 years anyway.
It's deja vu all over again.
Does it really matter what no-name is brought in next?
He will get ran out of town in 1-2 years anyway.
It's deja vu all over again.
Exactly...which is why I"m in favor of keeping the HC and GM. If it has to be one or the other, I'm replacing the GM. I'd also be fine with a new DC...i'm just not convinced that O'Neil is up to the job.
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Mike Pettine is a dumb piece of shit, that's how.
and he knows more about football in one brain cell than you will ever know.
let's see your resume compared to his?
love people that call someone out or yell and scream to get someone fired yet if the shoe was on the other foot would be shocked and in dismay that people can be such assholes.
so when you started on your career path doing whatever it is you do, did you know everything there is to know about your job in your first year? no learning curve? no OTJ training? you just walked in and were top notch, top level and had nothing to ever learn. and now that you are a manager and have 10 dummies to manage and not all of them are good dummies, people from outside are saying you should be fired because you can't manage your dummies. meanwhile this is your dream job and your family depends on you. you are praying every night that some asshole like you is not calling you a dumb shit and writing to your boss and asking for your job. meanwhile that asshole knows jack shit about what you do or how you do it. just an asshole is all.
and he knows more about football in one brain cell than you will ever know.
let's see your resume compared to his?
love people that call someone out or yell and scream to get someone fired yet if the shoe was on the other foot would be shocked and in dismay that people can be such assholes.
so when you started on your career path doing whatever it is you do, did you know everything there is to know about your job in your first year? no learning curve? no OTJ training? you just walked in and were top notch, top level and had nothing to ever learn. and now that you are a manager and have 10 dummies to manage and not all of them are good dummies, people from outside are saying you should be fired because you can't manage your dummies. meanwhile this is your dream job and your family depends on you. you are praying every night that some asshole like you is not calling you a dumb shit and writing to your boss and asking for your job. meanwhile that asshole knows jack shit about what you do or how you do it. just an asshole is all.
HA! Funny shit... Very true as well..
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hypothetically, let's say Pettine is fired at the end of the season. Who would want to come here? at best, we would get a sidegrade from Pettine but most likely a downgrade. Keep Pettine, promote one of the defensive position coaches to DC to keep some form of continuity. O'Neil is in over his head. For the rest of the season, it would be great if Pettine stops being afraid of hurting his friend's feelings and just starts calling the defensive plays. I don't understand whose decision it is to play Bademosi in front of Gilbert, who is making Kruger drop back in pass coverage, or who is making 300+ pound linemen sprint to and from the sidelines every other play but we didn't do this shit last year when Pettine was more involved in the defense.
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blame the HC for lack of talent?
ummm...........
i'd rather our GM take a chance on someone i've heard of who's played for a power ranked team than him wheeling and dealing to collect 2 more 6th rounders who end up not making the team. just because our record of drafting bums in the first round doesn't mean you stop. cards get reshuffled and once in while you get the hot hand.
can't blame pettine for farmer's shortcomings. can't blame pettine when the pick can't even make the practice squad.
maybe the people of power need to let their employees do their jobs and fans might need to have more trust considering these people do this for a living and have been doing it for awhile. i mean how many people can say right now, that they are one of only 32 other people in the world that do what they do at their level?
backseat drivers and monday morning coaches are great until you go on an 8 hour road trip or come on a fan based forum after another loss.
blame the HC for lack of talent?
ummm...........
i'd rather our GM take a chance on someone i've heard of who's played for a power ranked team
can't blame pettine for farmer's shortcomings. can't blame pettine when the pick can't even make the practice squad.
I would argue that the GM "DID" bring in top ranked talent, but the coach refuses to even take it for a test drive.....and he clearly is playing players who arent playing well.....so, new job or not, if you are failing and you refuse to try something else, then maybe it IS the HC and not the talent....
Especially when you have very good talent that "all of a sudden" cant compete....ala Joe Haden, Tramon Williams, Dwayne Bowe, our entire O Line, Kruger, Whitner, Gipson, Hartline....and many others....
When THIS MANY skilled veterans suddenly become baffoons and you refuse to make ANY adjustments and stubbornly stay the course.....then can you really blame just the talent level????
and he knows more about football in one brain cell than you will ever know.
so when you started on your career path doing whatever it is you do, did you know everything there is to know about your job in your first year? no learning curve? no OTJ training?.......and now that you are a manager and have 10 dummies to manage and not all of them are good dummies,......
And I can say "for me", that Ive defended Farmer and Pettine 100%....all the way.....completely.....and I do understand what it takes. Ive bought several "distressed" businesses and flipped em, which is my thing. So Ive been there and done that for 26 years now....for real! I can tell you that Ive certainly made HUGE mistakes, but I also listen to any skilled/long term employees for ideas....and make adjustment after adjustment till things are right. Forcing a square peg into the ole round hole has NEVER worked anywhere....and even though Im not an NFL coach, I can tell you thats whats happening here.....
The one thing you dont have to be a Coach to see....is what I based this thread on.....obvious contradictions. Saying one thing and doing another. And holding very visible double standards within the team. Strong leadership doesnt waver, but it also has balls and can admit mistakes when they happen....
You cant say "were gonna play this guy cause we need to see what he can do".....then NOT play several others because you claim to already know what they can do......and claim to have transparency, then spew a bunch of crap that everyone knows is BS....
Yeah....he's in his second year and he's assembled a staff full of rookies(first mistake, right there). If he's to be successful, he HAS to look around at what successful coaches do and start doing it.....successful people surround themselves with successful people....and I dont see that happening.....I dont see adjustments....I dont even see him admitting there is a problem. He seems to think its just a few missed assignments.....and THAT is the troubling part.....and THAT is why Im playing armchair QB....Not because I think I know more than him about Coaching.... but because I know about leadership and being in charge of a turn around and its the same in business as it is in football.....and he doesnt look up to the task...
Maybe for his "first" HC job, he shouldnt have taken the most challenging one in the league....and if he's gonna tackle it, then he needs to do what good leaders do and get some people in here that know what the fuck they are doing. And when they dont do it right, he needs to say that and make them adjust......simple shit really.....even if it IS coming from my armchair(or office)(same diff)
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I'd like to see Ray Farmer fired ASAP - and start the GM search now. If Haslam then decides on the back half of the season/end of season that Pettine needs to go then you might have a GM in place (maybe) and then go for the coach at the end of the season. The last coaching search made a mockery of the organization.
I'd give Pettine more time, with the caveat that the D coordinator has to go. And see Pettine assume both HC and DC for the remaining games.
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