Browns RB Coach Wilbert Montgomery Interview
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Sure.....lets have LBs that can do all things well.....then that would be perfect.
But why have a player who is built to rush the passer not rush the passer.
You mean ...Mingo, Armonty and Kruger....because word is that all three are pass rusher specialists...
So, we can have them all rush the qb???.....which LB's do you recommend we use to cover and play the run???
Look ....Kruger cant even rush....PLUS, he has 12 tackles in 10 games and has rushed the QB over 250 times this season and only gotten 2 sacks....and weve asked him to cover only 49 times......so, with 250 rushes, where is the production from MR. Pass Rush...
Why let a guy only do what he "thinks" he's good at, when he really isnt good at that either....
Example......Mr. Paul Kruger(our most disgruntled and vocal D player)......500 snaps....12 tackles.....2 sacks.......so he makes a stop once every 38 plays, which is about the worst in the league..and absolutely pathetic.....plus he leads the LB's in missed tackles, so he blows his chance even when he does get in position(which is rare).....
So....instead of taking all these one dimensional players and using them only one way, we need them to develop a more rounded game or get the hell out of dodge....
Coaches are trying to get that out of them, but so far, nothing......
You mean ...Mingo, Armonty and Kruger....because word is that all three are pass rusher specialists...
So, we can have them all rush the qb???.....which LB's do you recommend we use to cover and play the run???
Yes, we can, that is what they are built to do.....on a rotating basis (not all three necessarily in on the same play)
And Dansby/Robertson/Kirksey can cover better.
Look ....Kruger cant even rush....PLUS, he has 12 tackles in 10 games and has rushed the QB over 250 times this season and only gotten 2 sacks....and weve asked him to cover only 49 times......so, with 250 rushes, where is the production from MR. Pass Rush...
So, you say he can't rush.....yet he is better at covering? No. If he can't rush, bench him for someone who can.
Why let a guy only do what he "thinks" he's good at, when he really isnt good at that either....
Well, his track record in the past says he was good at it.....so what are we supposed to go by?
Example......Mr. Paul Kruger(our most disgruntled and vocal D player)......500 snaps....12 tackles.....2 sacks.......so he makes a stop once every 38 plays, which is about the worst in the league..and absolutely pathetic.....plus he leads the LB's in missed tackles, so he blows his chance even when he does get in position(which is rare).....
Or, maybe his is right about being used improperly.....that is still certainly a possibility.
So....instead of taking all these one dimensional players and using them only one way, we need them to develop a more rounded game or get the hell out of dodge....
Coaches are trying to get that out of them, but so far, nothing......
Well, they can't coach players that can't play, is that what you are saying? Brilliant.
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Ya'll missed Grossi's take - it's much more revealing :
http://www.espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=51821
Ummm, like how about THIS :
How do you explain the number of negative runs in the Pittsburgh game?
“I was shocked at Pittsburgh because Pittsburgh was never a penetrating defense. They were always a key-read defense, a two-gap defense. They saw where you were going then they would run and make tackles. They played fast. This Pittsburgh defense was different. They penetrated, and that was the difference in the ball game because now, they’re getting you off your spot, they’re getting you off your landmark and that becomes a trouble for the backs and for the offensive linemen and the tight ends.
“Now, you work against something that you thought they were and then you get in a game, they’re doing something totally different. Those guys were big and strong and explosive, and they were getting up field on us.”
This is a fairly amazing admission. Our scouting report on the Steelers made a point of new defensive coordinator Keith Butler switching to a one-gap, penetrating scheme up front. Montgomery’s comments suggest the Browns did not do a good job of advance scouting the Steelers.
So, they had 10 days (from Thursday night loss) to scout and watch film on the Steelers.
Appears watching film on your opponents isn't needed . . .
HTF did we get here?
Maybe this was one of Shanhan's parting slides in his Powerpoint exit.
I'm wondering how to even managed to win any games last year after reading this /smh
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They were not aware of the change in the D with that much time to scout and prepare?
I would have resigned rather than admit I was that incompetent!!
My son coaches and scouts for a middle school D in the Dallas area. He spends every Saturday during the season breaking down the next week's opponent's offense. The O coaches do the same with the opposing defense. He even helps those coaches understand what those D's are trying to do as well. This is just sickening on so many levels that the Browns were caught of guard.
Unfuckingbelievable!
PS-his D was unscored upon because he is so thorough. Maybe Jimmie should hire him to write the scouting reports for the Browns on opposing D's.
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They were not aware of the change in the D with that much time to scout and prepare?
I would have resigned rather than admit I was that incompetent!!
My son coaches and scouts for a middle school D in the Dallas area. He spends every Saturday during the season breaking down the next week's opponent's offense. The O coaches do the same with the opposing defense. He even helps those coaches understand what those D's are trying to do as well. This is just sickening on so many levels that the Browns were caught of guard.
Unfuckingbelievable!
PS-his D was unscored upon because he is so thorough. Maybe Jimmie should hire him to write the scouting reports for the Browns on opposing D's.
They were not aware of the change in the D with that much time to scout and prepare?
I would have resigned rather than admit I was that incompetent!!
My son coaches and scouts for a middle school D in the Dallas area. He spends every Saturday during the season breaking down the next week's opponent's offense. The O coaches do the same with the opposing defense. He even helps those coaches understand what those D's are trying to do as well. This is just sickening on so many levels that the Browns were caught of guard.
Unfuckingbelievable!
PS-his D was unscored upon because he is so thorough. Maybe Jimmie should hire him to write the scouting reports for the Browns on opposing D's.
It's actually worse than that.
Essentially, this is the D the Steelers have been using ALL YEAR . . . hell, maybe even since Dick LeBeau left.
Either way, it shows a level of ineptness that is just staggering.
Grossi's comments in reference to the Article on the Radio made it sound even more damning, and not just in regard to this question.
No wonder the Defensive Players are trying to Mutiny, and there are O-Line comments as well.
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They were not aware of the change in the D with that much time to scout and prepare?
I would have resigned rather than admit I was that incompetent!!
My son coaches and scouts for a middle school D in the Dallas area. He spends every Saturday during the season breaking down the next week's opponent's offense. The O coaches do the same with the opposing defense. He even helps those coaches understand what those D's are trying to do as well. This is just sickening on so many levels that the Browns were caught of guard.
Unfuckingbelievable!
PS-his D was unscored upon because he is so thorough. Maybe Jimmie should hire him to write the scouting reports for the Browns on opposing D's.
It's actually worse than that.
Essentially, this is the D the Steelers have been using ALL YEAR . . . hell, maybe even since Dick LeBeau left.
Either way, it shows a level of ineptness that is just staggering.
Grossi's comments in reference to the Article on the Radio made it sound even more damning, and not just in regard to this question.
No wonder the Defensive Players are trying to Mutiny, and there are O-Line comments as well.
It's actually worse than that.
Essentially, this is the D the Steelers have been using ALL YEAR . . . hell, maybe even since Dick LeBeau left.
Either way, it shows a level of ineptness that is just staggering.
Grossi's comments in reference to the Article on the Radio made it sound even more damning, and not just in regard to this question.
No wonder the Defensive Players are trying to Mutiny, and there are O-Line comments as well.
Training camp the new d was installed. Let's Heyward and tuitt do their thing.
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What's the thinking on Glenn Winston? I see his name on the depth chart, but not playing. Zombo wants to see him given a chance which makes me think he must have some talent.
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What's the thinking on Glenn Winston? I see his name on the depth chart, but not playing. Zombo wants to see him given a chance which makes me think he must have some talent.
What's the thinking on Glenn Winston? I see his name on the depth chart, but not playing. Zombo wants to see him given a chance which makes me think he must have some talent.
He may be nothing special, but we have been holding a roster spot a long time, and things aren't going well with Crow, so probably a good time to get him some game action.
Z
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Sure.....lets have LBs that can do all things well.....then that would be perfect.
But why have a player who is built to rush the passer not rush the passer.
You mean ...Mingo, Armonty and Kruger....because word is that all three are pass rusher specialists...
So, we can have them all rush the qb???.....which LB's do you recommend we use to cover and play the run???
Look ....Kruger cant even rush....PLUS, he has 12 tackles in 10 games and has rushed the QB over 250 times this season and only gotten 2 sacks....and weve asked him to cover only 49 times......so, with 250 rushes, where is the production from MR. Pass Rush...
Why let a guy only do what he "thinks" he's good at, when he really isnt good at that either....
Example......Mr. Paul Kruger(our most disgruntled and vocal D player)......500 snaps....12 tackles.....2 sacks.......so he makes a stop once every 38 plays, which is about the worst in the league..and absolutely pathetic.....plus he leads the LB's in missed tackles, so he blows his chance even when he does get in position(which is rare).....
So....instead of taking all these one dimensional players and using them only one way, we need them to develop a more rounded game or get the hell out of dodge....
Coaches are trying to get that out of them, but so far, nothing......
You mean ...Mingo, Armonty and Kruger....because word is that all three are pass rusher specialists...
So, we can have them all rush the qb???.....which LB's do you recommend we use to cover and play the run???
Look ....Kruger cant even rush....PLUS, he has 12 tackles in 10 games and has rushed the QB over 250 times this season and only gotten 2 sacks....and weve asked him to cover only 49 times......so, with 250 rushes, where is the production from MR. Pass Rush...
Why let a guy only do what he "thinks" he's good at, when he really isnt good at that either....
Example......Mr. Paul Kruger(our most disgruntled and vocal D player)......500 snaps....12 tackles.....2 sacks.......so he makes a stop once every 38 plays, which is about the worst in the league..and absolutely pathetic.....plus he leads the LB's in missed tackles, so he blows his chance even when he does get in position(which is rare).....
So....instead of taking all these one dimensional players and using them only one way, we need them to develop a more rounded game or get the hell out of dodge....
Coaches are trying to get that out of them, but so far, nothing......
Then explain to Me how Kruger got 9 sacks last season if he cant sack.. I contend that this ignorant coaching staff is holding him , and others back.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
You mean ...Mingo, Armonty and Kruger....because word is that all three are pass rusher specialists...
So, we can have them all rush the qb???.....which LB's do you recommend we use to cover and play the run???
Look ....Kruger cant even rush....PLUS, he has 12 tackles in 10 games and has rushed the QB over 250 times this season and only gotten 2 sacks....and weve asked him to cover only 49 times......so, with 250 rushes, where is the production from MR. Pass Rush...
Why let a guy only do what he "thinks" he's good at, when he really isnt good at that either....
Example......Mr. Paul Kruger(our most disgruntled and vocal D player)......500 snaps....12 tackles.....2 sacks.......so he makes a stop once every 38 plays, which is about the worst in the league..and absolutely pathetic.....plus he leads the LB's in missed tackles, so he blows his chance even when he does get in position(which is rare).....
So....instead of taking all these one dimensional players and using them only one way, we need them to develop a more rounded game or get the hell out of dodge....
Coaches are trying to get that out of them, but so far, nothing......
Then explain to Me how Kruger got 9 sacks last season if he cant sack.. I contend that this ignorant coaching staff is holding him , and others back.
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You mean ...Mingo, Armonty and Kruger....because word is that all three are pass rusher specialists...
So, we can have them all rush the qb???.....which LB's do you recommend we use to cover and play the run???
Look ....Kruger cant even rush....PLUS, he has 12 tackles in 10 games and has rushed the QB over 250 times this season and only gotten 2 sacks....and weve asked him to cover only 49 times......so, with 250 rushes, where is the production from MR. Pass Rush...
Why let a guy only do what he "thinks" he's good at, when he really isnt good at that either....
Example......Mr. Paul Kruger(our most disgruntled and vocal D player)......500 snaps....12 tackles.....2 sacks.......so he makes a stop once every 38 plays, which is about the worst in the league..and absolutely pathetic.....plus he leads the LB's in missed tackles, so he blows his chance even when he does get in position(which is rare).....
So....instead of taking all these one dimensional players and using them only one way, we need them to develop a more rounded game or get the hell out of dodge....
Coaches are trying to get that out of them, but so far, nothing......
Then explain to Me how Kruger got 9 sacks last season if he cant sack.. I contend that this ignorant coaching staff is holding him , and others back.
Then explain to Me how Kruger got 9 sacks last season if he cant sack.. I contend that this ignorant coaching staff is holding him , and others back.
Id be happy to...
First, know that he only had one good year at Balt, which coincided with them winning the SB....the other years, his sack totals were 0-1-7.....so thats 8 sacks in 3 years.....THEN he came here and, in his first year here, he got only 4 sacks.....THEN, with PETTINE, he suddenly had 12 sacks(so is that because Pettine didnt know how to use him???... cause he got 8 more then he had with Horton the year before)...
If you look at the 12 sacks he got last year(and I have),,,,3 were completely unblocked and 4 were due to Sheard collapsing his side and forcing the QB right into Krugers arms(IE, Sheard did the work, and Kruger got the credit) and 2 more were really just a scrambling QB who he happened to tackle before he crossed the LOS(not really sacks, per se).....so, watching the film, you will see that Kruger beat his man and only "earned" 3 real sacks.....thats it.....3....
Now.....this year.....he was being used EXACTLY the same as he was last year. EXACTLY....and in the first 4 games he was completely ineffective and had 1 sack and only 5 tackles. By Week 5, if you remember, they cut his snaps in half(from about 60, down to 28) and this was because he was playing like crap. At the pressy, Oneill tried to tell us it was to keep him rested, but that was a pile of crap and everyone knew it. The real reason was because Armonty was putting up better pass rushing #'s and they decided to give HIM the pass rush reps, instead of Kruger.
In our system, one OLB rushes and the Will covers. All our OLBs are really rush guys, so while Kruger rushed, Armonty or Mingo had to cover. And the numbers showed that Armonty was more effective rushing....so they took the snaps from Kruger and gave them to Armonty(and now, Orchard too) Leaving Kruger to play the run and, occassionally cover. THIS pissed him off and he started complaining that they weren't using him "correctly"....when in truth, they just werent using him AS MUCH. His rush vs cover stats are exactly the same as last year, so he's not REALLY covering more.
So.....Armonty gets to the QB TWICE as often as Kruger.....and Armonty, Orchard AND Mingo ALL cover better....and all play the run better(ie, make tackles).....So, in reality, the only thing Kruger has to offer is pass rushing and Armonty has beaten him out at that role....
Watch him play. He gets blocked out every single play ...being the designated pass rusher is a one on one battle....Kruger against a T.....edge rusher simply has to beat his man and get to the QB.....and thats not "scheme"....thats just one man being cut loose to get to the QB.....and he aint getting it done....
Stas wise...he's one of the worst tacklers in the league.....he is THE worst cover LB in the league.....and painfully average at rushing......and the coaches see this and have adjusted the LB roles to try to get better production....
and THAT is why Kruger now plays 30 snaps instead of 70....and why Orchard and Armonty have doubled their snaps....
And since Kruger aint playing as much, he's mad and pointing fingers....but that wasnt happening until he got pulled.....and that wasnt happening last year when he had better numbers.....
Now, you tell me how a starting NFL LB averages barely over one tackle a game and keeps his job?......and how Pettine(or Oneill) are responsible for his inability to get around the edge(or seal the edge, ftm)...or how the Coaches make him miss more tackles than just about every other LB in the league(he is #2 in the NFL for OLB missed tackles).....or why Armonty can get to the QB once every 40 rushes, while Kruger gets there once every 125 rushes????...(same coaches, same system)...
Every linebacker on the Browns....every single one(in or out) averages at least one tackle every 20 plays or less...Orchard 1-15, Dansby 1-10, Kirksey 1-14, Bryant 1-20.....Kruger 1 every 44....thats right, 1 tackle every 44 plays.....the next worst Brown(at ANY position) is one every 23 plays....(and the good ones are at 1-10..hitner, Dansby1-10, even Carder at 1-12)......
So Kruger is TWICE as bad as our next worst....and 3 to 4 times as bad as the team average.....
So....there it is.....the other LB's are simply better.....he's losing his job to Armonty....and, if you look at his numbers, it's very clear that he isnt getting it done anywhere.....effective run stopper? NO.......effective in pass coverage? NO.....effectlive edge rusher? NO...
And if he's not proficient at any of the 3 tools that a LB should have....what do we do with him?.....and if the ONLY thing he does is rush, then the other team pretty much knows what he's gonna do and will(does) stop him every time.....
Coaches have no hand in his poor play....it's all on him and he's too weak to even admit it......and if HE cant admit he's playing poorly and lays all the blame on others, then he will NOT get better.....
The numbers dont lie....and are a glaring indictment of his poor play.....period.......
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Then explain to Me how Kruger got 9 sacks last season if he cant sack.. I contend that this ignorant coaching staff is holding him , and others back.
Id be happy to...
First, know that he only had one good year at Balt, which coincided with them winning the SB....the other years, his sack totals were 0-1-7.....so thats 8 sacks in 3 years.....THEN he came here and, in his first year here, he got only 4 sacks.....THEN, with PETTINE, he suddenly had 12 sacks(so is that because Pettine didnt know how to use him???... cause he got 8 more then he had with Horton the year before)...
If you look at the 12 sacks he got last year(and I have),,,,3 were completely unblocked and 4 were due to Sheard collapsing his side and forcing the QB right into Krugers arms(IE, Sheard did the work, and Kruger got the credit) and 2 more were really just a scrambling QB who he happened to tackle before he crossed the LOS(not really sacks, per se).....so, watching the film, you will see that Kruger beat his man and only "earned" 3 real sacks.....thats it.....3....
Now.....this year.....he was being used EXACTLY the same as he was last year. EXACTLY....and in the first 4 games he was completely ineffective and had 1 sack and only 5 tackles. By Week 5, if you remember, they cut his snaps in half(from about 60, down to 28) and this was because he was playing like crap. At the pressy, Oneill tried to tell us it was to keep him rested, but that was a pile of crap and everyone knew it. The real reason was because Armonty was putting up better pass rushing #'s and they decided to give HIM the pass rush reps, instead of Kruger.
In our system, one OLB rushes and the Will covers. All our OLBs are really rush guys, so while Kruger rushed, Armonty or Mingo had to cover. And the numbers showed that Armonty was more effective rushing....so they took the snaps from Kruger and gave them to Armonty(and now, Orchard too) Leaving Kruger to play the run and, occassionally cover. THIS pissed him off and he started complaining that they weren't using him "correctly"....when in truth, they just werent using him AS MUCH. His rush vs cover stats are exactly the same as last year, so he's not REALLY covering more.
So.....Armonty gets to the QB TWICE as often as Kruger.....and Armonty, Orchard AND Mingo ALL cover better....and all play the run better(ie, make tackles).....So, in reality, the only thing Kruger has to offer is pass rushing and Armonty has beaten him out at that role....
Watch him play. He gets blocked out every single play ...being the designated pass rusher is a one on one battle....Kruger against a T.....edge rusher simply has to beat his man and get to the QB.....and thats not "scheme"....thats just one man being cut loose to get to the QB.....and he aint getting it done....
Stas wise...he's one of the worst tacklers in the league.....he is THE worst cover LB in the league.....and painfully average at rushing......and the coaches see this and have adjusted the LB roles to try to get better production....
and THAT is why Kruger now plays 30 snaps instead of 70....and why Orchard and Armonty have doubled their snaps....
And since Kruger aint playing as much, he's mad and pointing fingers....but that wasnt happening until he got pulled.....and that wasnt happening last year when he had better numbers.....
Now, you tell me how a starting NFL LB averages barely over one tackle a game and keeps his job?......and how Pettine(or Oneill) are responsible for his inability to get around the edge(or seal the edge, ftm)...or how the Coaches make him miss more tackles than just about every other LB in the league(he is #2 in the NFL for OLB missed tackles).....or why Armonty can get to the QB once every 40 rushes, while Kruger gets there once every 125 rushes????...(same coaches, same system)...
Every linebacker on the Browns....every single one(in or out) averages at least one tackle every 20 plays or less...Orchard 1-15, Dansby 1-10, Kirksey 1-14, Bryant 1-20.....Kruger 1 every 44....thats right, 1 tackle every 44 plays.....the next worst Brown(at ANY position) is one every 23 plays....(and the good ones are at 1-10..hitner, Dansby1-10, even Carder at 1-12)......
So Kruger is TWICE as bad as our next worst....and 3 to 4 times as bad as the team average.....
So....there it is.....the other LB's are simply better.....he's losing his job to Armonty....and, if you look at his numbers, it's very clear that he isnt getting it done anywhere.....effective run stopper? NO.......effective in pass coverage? NO.....effectlive edge rusher? NO...
And if he's not proficient at any of the 3 tools that a LB should have....what do we do with him?.....and if the ONLY thing he does is rush, then the other team pretty much knows what he's gonna do and will(does) stop him every time.....
Coaches have no hand in his poor play....it's all on him and he's too weak to even admit it......and if HE cant admit he's playing poorly and lays all the blame on others, then he will NOT get better.....
The numbers dont lie....and are a glaring indictment of his poor play.....period.......
Id be happy to...
First, know that he only had one good year at Balt, which coincided with them winning the SB....the other years, his sack totals were 0-1-7.....so thats 8 sacks in 3 years.....THEN he came here and, in his first year here, he got only 4 sacks.....THEN, with PETTINE, he suddenly had 12 sacks(so is that because Pettine didnt know how to use him???... cause he got 8 more then he had with Horton the year before)...
If you look at the 12 sacks he got last year(and I have),,,,3 were completely unblocked and 4 were due to Sheard collapsing his side and forcing the QB right into Krugers arms(IE, Sheard did the work, and Kruger got the credit) and 2 more were really just a scrambling QB who he happened to tackle before he crossed the LOS(not really sacks, per se).....so, watching the film, you will see that Kruger beat his man and only "earned" 3 real sacks.....thats it.....3....
Now.....this year.....he was being used EXACTLY the same as he was last year. EXACTLY....and in the first 4 games he was completely ineffective and had 1 sack and only 5 tackles. By Week 5, if you remember, they cut his snaps in half(from about 60, down to 28) and this was because he was playing like crap. At the pressy, Oneill tried to tell us it was to keep him rested, but that was a pile of crap and everyone knew it. The real reason was because Armonty was putting up better pass rushing #'s and they decided to give HIM the pass rush reps, instead of Kruger.
In our system, one OLB rushes and the Will covers. All our OLBs are really rush guys, so while Kruger rushed, Armonty or Mingo had to cover. And the numbers showed that Armonty was more effective rushing....so they took the snaps from Kruger and gave them to Armonty(and now, Orchard too) Leaving Kruger to play the run and, occassionally cover. THIS pissed him off and he started complaining that they weren't using him "correctly"....when in truth, they just werent using him AS MUCH. His rush vs cover stats are exactly the same as last year, so he's not REALLY covering more.
So.....Armonty gets to the QB TWICE as often as Kruger.....and Armonty, Orchard AND Mingo ALL cover better....and all play the run better(ie, make tackles).....So, in reality, the only thing Kruger has to offer is pass rushing and Armonty has beaten him out at that role....
Watch him play. He gets blocked out every single play ...being the designated pass rusher is a one on one battle....Kruger against a T.....edge rusher simply has to beat his man and get to the QB.....and thats not "scheme"....thats just one man being cut loose to get to the QB.....and he aint getting it done....
Stas wise...he's one of the worst tacklers in the league.....he is THE worst cover LB in the league.....and painfully average at rushing......and the coaches see this and have adjusted the LB roles to try to get better production....
and THAT is why Kruger now plays 30 snaps instead of 70....and why Orchard and Armonty have doubled their snaps....
And since Kruger aint playing as much, he's mad and pointing fingers....but that wasnt happening until he got pulled.....and that wasnt happening last year when he had better numbers.....
Now, you tell me how a starting NFL LB averages barely over one tackle a game and keeps his job?......and how Pettine(or Oneill) are responsible for his inability to get around the edge(or seal the edge, ftm)...or how the Coaches make him miss more tackles than just about every other LB in the league(he is #2 in the NFL for OLB missed tackles).....or why Armonty can get to the QB once every 40 rushes, while Kruger gets there once every 125 rushes????...(same coaches, same system)...
Every linebacker on the Browns....every single one(in or out) averages at least one tackle every 20 plays or less...Orchard 1-15, Dansby 1-10, Kirksey 1-14, Bryant 1-20.....Kruger 1 every 44....thats right, 1 tackle every 44 plays.....the next worst Brown(at ANY position) is one every 23 plays....(and the good ones are at 1-10..hitner, Dansby1-10, even Carder at 1-12)......
So Kruger is TWICE as bad as our next worst....and 3 to 4 times as bad as the team average.....
So....there it is.....the other LB's are simply better.....he's losing his job to Armonty....and, if you look at his numbers, it's very clear that he isnt getting it done anywhere.....effective run stopper? NO.......effective in pass coverage? NO.....effectlive edge rusher? NO...
And if he's not proficient at any of the 3 tools that a LB should have....what do we do with him?.....and if the ONLY thing he does is rush, then the other team pretty much knows what he's gonna do and will(does) stop him every time.....
Coaches have no hand in his poor play....it's all on him and he's too weak to even admit it......and if HE cant admit he's playing poorly and lays all the blame on others, then he will NOT get better.....
The numbers dont lie....and are a glaring indictment of his poor play.....period.......
Well then it is on coaching.. then Amonty should be starting in his spot if thats the case... Apparently... Our coaches are too stupid...
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Like I said....Armonty and Orchard are getting double the snaps they were getting before.....the team HAS to mix up the looks and coverages to be effective......that means rushing from different angles and with different players(and looks),,,,,otherwise we are predictable and easier to beat....
So, Kruger still gets some reps....as do Armonty and Orchard....they are trying to find the best combo and best players....thats all they can do.....
Id say you are just convinced it's all on the coaches and really not interested in looking at the facts...numbers....or players.....
We only have 4 olbs.....so they ALL have to play....thats just the way it is....
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So only highly drafted guys can become bellcow backs? Got it.
This is sort of a Ghoolie mindset- you can find quality OL in the parking lot before a game. Ditto that with RB. True enough, you can find quality running backs later- but the really good ones, that are more than one year sensations, are usually found in the first three rounds.
In fairness to him......he hired 11 guys in 13 days.....and had, basically, a pile of recently fired crap to pick them from.....
Imagine taking over a company and having only 2 weeks to assemble your whole staff....and you can only pick from the unemployment line......
How good is that staff gonna be?.....And how long do they get to perform, before you start replacing them?.....
I will say I didnt hear one single peep about the coaches or staff until a few weeks ago....If they are SO terrible and it's so obvious to everyone now, why was no one talking about this before?... ..
A few months ago, we all loved these guys.....and suddenly....."everyone" says they are all bad......sounds like mob mentality to me
An experienced OC or DC would have helped, but there was none available.
RE: Wilbert: I didn't know anything about Turbin, we picked him up and I didn't get a chance to work with him, so therefore it was new to me to putting him in there. We talk about his problems, because he carried the ball low. When you carry the ball low, you're going to have that fumbling problem.''
Does that sound competent to you?
Like I said....Armonty and Orchard are getting double the snaps they were getting before.....the team HAS to mix up the looks and coverages to be effective......that means rushing from different angles and with different players(and looks),,,,,otherwise we are predictable and easier to beat....
So, Kruger still gets some reps....as do Armonty and Orchard....they are trying to find the best combo and best players....thats all they can do.....
Id say you are just convinced it's all on the coaches and really not interested in looking at the facts...numbers....or players.....
We only have 4 olbs.....so they ALL have to play....thats just the way it is....
Great analysis on Kruger Mud. Now would some cap guru explain to me what the cap hit is going to be next year if we cut him? Because he sure as hell isn't worth $7 million. Picking him up can't be blamed on Farmer either.
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Zeke's much better than Henry. Henry will be average in the NFL unless he becomes a whole new man like Le'veon Bell did (no I'm not trolling you steeler fans).
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So only highly drafted guys can become bellcow backs? Got it.
This is sort of a Ghoolie mindset- you can find quality OL in the parking lot before a game. Ditto that with RB. True enough, you can find quality running backs later- but the really good ones, that are more than one year sensations, are usually found in the first three rounds.
In fairness to him......he hired 11 guys in 13 days.....and had, basically, a pile of recently fired crap to pick them from.....
Imagine taking over a company and having only 2 weeks to assemble your whole staff....and you can only pick from the unemployment line......
How good is that staff gonna be?.....And how long do they get to perform, before you start replacing them?.....
I will say I didnt hear one single peep about the coaches or staff until a few weeks ago....If they are SO terrible and it's so obvious to everyone now, why was no one talking about this before?... ..
A few months ago, we all loved these guys.....and suddenly....."everyone" says they are all bad......sounds like mob mentality to me
An experienced OC or DC would have helped, but there was none available.
RE: Wilbert: I didn't know anything about Turbin, we picked him up and I didn't get a chance to work with him, so therefore it was new to me to putting him in there. We talk about his problems, because he carried the ball low. When you carry the ball low, you're going to have that fumbling problem.''
Does that sound competent to you?
Like I said....Armonty and Orchard are getting double the snaps they were getting before.....the team HAS to mix up the looks and coverages to be effective......that means rushing from different angles and with different players(and looks),,,,,otherwise we are predictable and easier to beat....
So, Kruger still gets some reps....as do Armonty and Orchard....they are trying to find the best combo and best players....thats all they can do.....
Id say you are just convinced it's all on the coaches and really not interested in looking at the facts...numbers....or players.....
We only have 4 olbs.....so they ALL have to play....thats just the way it is....
Great analysis on Kruger Mud. Now would some cap guru explain to me what the cap hit is going to be next year if we cut him? Because he sure as hell isn't worth $7 million. Picking him up can't be blamed on Farmer either.
Great analysis on Kruger Mud. Now would some cap guru explain to me what the cap hit is going to be next year if we cut him? Because he sure as hell isn't worth $7 million. Picking him up can't be blamed on Farmer either.
Even scarier.....he is the 4th highest paid OLB in the league.....
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/outside-linebacker/
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Like I said....Armonty and Orchard are getting double the snaps they were getting before.....the team HAS to mix up the looks and coverages to be effective......that means rushing from different angles and with different players(and looks),,,,,otherwise we are predictable and easier to beat....
So, Kruger still gets some reps....as do Armonty and Orchard....they are trying to find the best combo and best players....thats all they can do.....
Id say you are just convinced it's all on the coaches and really not interested in looking at the facts...numbers....or players.....
We only have 4 olbs.....so they ALL have to play....thats just the way it is....
Like I said....Armonty and Orchard are getting double the snaps they were getting before.....the team HAS to mix up the looks and coverages to be effective......that means rushing from different angles and with different players(and looks),,,,,otherwise we are predictable and easier to beat....
So, Kruger still gets some reps....as do Armonty and Orchard....they are trying to find the best combo and best players....thats all they can do.....
Id say you are just convinced it's all on the coaches and really not interested in looking at the facts...numbers....or players.....
We only have 4 olbs.....so they ALL have to play....thats just the way it is....
And the lack of safety blitzes are all a concern.. Safeties are usually , if not the fastest guys on defense.. WTF are Pet and comp. thinking?
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Or Henry if we take Bosa 1st. Elliot will already be gone.
I would prefer Henry. The guy is a horse.
I would prefer Henry. The guy is a horse.
Should one argue with Logic? Prolly not a good idea but in spite of Zeke's ill-advised post game comments - I still think he would be a terrific fit for us.
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I would prefer Henry. The guy is a horse.
Should one argue with Logic? Prolly not a good idea but in spite of Zeke's ill-advised post game comments - I still think he would be a terrific fit for us.
Should one argue with Logic? Prolly not a good idea but in spite of Zeke's ill-advised post game comments - I still think he would be a terrific fit for us.
Why does it seem like everyone is making a big deal out of his comments? Meyer called a terrible second half. Elliot had two carries and they lost to a rival while undefeated. I'm assuming the loss all but kills their championship chances unless Michigan beats Michigan state. He's interviewed right after that loss and he's emotional. I wouldn't have said it but I think his emotions are allowed to run high considering the loss. I don't think it will effect his draft stock at all unless he bombs combine interviews. Is he supposed to be a top 5 talent this year tho? The Browns should pick in the top 5 and I'd say teams have wised up on spending high picks on non-generational talent.
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Should one argue with Logic? Prolly not a good idea but in spite of Zeke's ill-advised post game comments - I still think he would be a terrific fit for us.
Why does it seem like everyone is making a big deal out of his comments? Meyer called a terrible second half. Elliot had two carries and they lost to a rival while undefeated. I'm assuming the loss all but kills their championship chances unless Michigan beats Michigan state. He's interviewed right after that loss and he's emotional. I wouldn't have said it but I think his emotions are allowed to run high considering the loss. I don't think it will effect his draft stock at all unless he bombs combine interviews. Is he supposed to be a top 5 talent this year tho? The Browns should pick in the top 5 and I'd say teams have wised up on spending high picks on non-generational talent.
Ya, but what if M and MSU have already played?......moronWhy does it seem like everyone is making a big deal out of his comments? Meyer called a terrible second half. Elliot had two carries and they lost to a rival while undefeated. I'm assuming the loss all but kills their championship chances unless Michigan beats Michigan state. He's interviewed right after that loss and he's emotional. I wouldn't have said it but I think his emotions are allowed to run high considering the loss.
I don't think it will effect his draft stock at all unless he bombs combine interviews. Is he supposed to be a top 5 talent this year tho? The Browns should pick in the top 5 and I'd say teams have wised up on spending high picks on non-generational talent.
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Honestly......Pettine's biggest failure has been in whom he has hired as asst. coaches. Moeller....O'Neil.
In fairness to him......he hired 11 guys in 13 days.....and had, basically, a pile of recently fired crap to pick them from.....
Imagine taking over a company and having only 2 weeks to assemble your whole staff....and you can only pick from the unemployment line......
How good is that staff gonna be?.....And how long do they get to perform, before you start replacing them?.....
I will say I didnt hear one single peep about the coaches or staff until a few weeks ago....If they are SO terrible and it's so obvious to everyone now, why was no one talking about this before?... ..
A few months ago, we all loved these guys.....and suddenly....."everyone" says they are all bad......sounds like mob mentality to me
In fairness to him......he hired 11 guys in 13 days.....and had, basically, a pile of recently fired crap to pick them from.....
Imagine taking over a company and having only 2 weeks to assemble your whole staff....and you can only pick from the unemployment line......
How good is that staff gonna be?.....And how long do they get to perform, before you start replacing them?.....
I will say I didnt hear one single peep about the coaches or staff until a few weeks ago....If they are SO terrible and it's so obvious to everyone now, why was no one talking about this before?... ..
A few months ago, we all loved these guys.....and suddenly....."everyone" says they are all bad......sounds like mob mentality to me
Because a few months ago, we didn't have the proof that we have now. A few months ago, there was optimism that last year was a foundational year and that this year would give us a much improved product.
It sounds like people making reasonable conclusions based upon the new data in front of them to me.
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