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  • W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by Westside Steve
    #24

    Your JM impact assessment if we had a run game is reasonable, and can add that he has decent PAP skills. But the questions I have are:

    1. Why haven't we used his read-option skills to jump start our anemic run game?

    2. If we had a run game, why would we need his read-option threat?

    Only one guy can answer that question and it seems like he doesn't even want him to play.

    That's like asking why you would need potatoes when you already have roast beef.

    WSS

  • KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote on last edited by
    #25

    Jerrah will probably unleah him and he will wreck the league while re-defining the quarterback position. While we sit and jerk it furiously thinking we are teaching him a lesson.

  • Jerrah will probably unleah him and he will wreck the league while re-defining the quarterback position. While we sit and jerk it furiously thinking we are teaching him a lesson.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
    #26

    @kvoethe said:

    Jerrah will probably unleah him and he will wreck the league while re-defining the quarterback position. While we sit and jerk it furiously thinking we are teaching him a lesson.

    That only thing that will 'unleah' JM will be playing behind a stout Oline with a proven running game and having Dez.

  • SuomiS Suomi wrote on last edited by
    #27

    What if Haden is done?

    Haden can't get past the concussion protocol. I don't know the particulars about his condition or its severity - but it seems pretty damn serious. What if he's done with the NFL? Can the Browns proceed with their current roster of DBs and be successful? Will they feel the need to draft a DB in the first round?? Will they grab some free agent???

  • flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on last edited by
    #28

    Before the season starts, all players take a battery of tests. Hand eye, memory types of tests and these results create a base for each individual player. If they get their "bell rung" they have to retake these tests and if they hit below their base, they sit.

    Is Joe done? could be but doubt it. My bet is that he returns next year better than ever. Shit, he got hurt preseason and then the head shots.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
    #29

    Joe would not be the first player to elect to retire due to concussions.

    Someone will be the first to be forced out of the league by the new protocol.

    I thought concussions were physical brain injuries related to the brain impacting the skull, but they are chemical disruptions. Simple distortion of brain cells through flexing or torqueing of the brain apparently is all it takes to alter the chemistry. So "recovery" is the nominal return to the base chemistry.

    Short video here includes a segment illustrating "ripples" passing through the brain mass. That image had never occurred to me before.

    http://www.cdc.gov/headsup/basics/concussion_whatis.html

    Apparently mental rest is only marginally secondary to physical. On the CDC list of activities to avoid, two would be problematic for most here:

    - "Do not drink alcoholic beverages until your health care professional says you are well enough." and

    - "Avoid sustained computer use, including computer/video games early in the recovery process."

    Full list is here: http://www.cdc.gov/concussion/feel_better.html

  • What if Haden is done?

    Haden can't get past the concussion protocol. I don't know the particulars about his condition or its severity - but it seems pretty damn serious. What if he's done with the NFL? Can the Browns proceed with their current roster of DBs and be successful? Will they feel the need to draft a DB in the first round?? Will they grab some free agent???

    gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
    #30

    @suomi said:

    What if Haden is done?

    Haden can't get past the concussion protocol. I don't know the particulars about his condition or its severity - but it seems pretty damn serious. What if he's done with the NFL? Can the Browns proceed with their current roster of DBs and be successful? Will they feel the need to draft a DB in the first round?? Will they grab some free agent???

    Ifo Expre-Olomu maybe the best 7th rounder we have never seen of Farmers in 2015. Any rehab updates?

  • @suomi said:

    What if Haden is done?

    Haden can't get past the concussion protocol. I don't know the particulars about his condition or its severity - but it seems pretty damn serious. What if he's done with the NFL? Can the Browns proceed with their current roster of DBs and be successful? Will they feel the need to draft a DB in the first round?? Will they grab some free agent???

    Ifo Expre-Olomu maybe the best 7th rounder we have never seen of Farmers in 2015. Any rehab updates?

    B bringbackbrownie2 wrote on last edited by bringbackbrownie2
    #31

    @gumby73 said:

    Ifo Expre-Olomu maybe the best 7th rounder we have never seen of Farmers in 2015. Any rehab updates?

    I agree. I mentioned earlier that if he comes back next year as his former self, we will be OK in the secondary. Only injury update I have seen is noting that he collected 3M on an insurance policy. Still doesn't add up to what he may have gotten as a top 15 pick, but not too far off either..
  • W wargograw wrote on last edited by
    #32

    Tour, Johnny does not have "read-option skills," that I remember. Not ones that work in the NFL anyway. He always got the vast majority of his rushing yards by scrambling and designed keepers, not read-option or zone read.

  • your post about Haden is a farce.

    KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote on last edited by
    #33

    @calfoxwc said:

    your post about Haden is a farce.

    Say again?

  • @calfoxwc said:

    your post about Haden is a farce.

    Say again?

    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
    #34

    @kvoethe said:

    Say again?

    eh...sorry, that was in response to bacon calling Haden a joke. That's just a farce of a comment.