Pettine satisfied with our effort
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A roster devoid of top talent at a position is a vacuum pulling lesser players into roles they are generally not suited for.
Example: You lose a Haden. It pulls a Williams into the #1 CB role.
Exactly....Williams was a slot CB that we signed to play as #2 and be a mentor to Gilbert(who was hopefully gonna take over the job)..
What transpired was Gilbert failed and Haden went down.....and up until Haden went down, Williams was our top rated DB and defensive player.....NOW he has been asked to step into a role he's NEVER played and one that requires a lot of speed and talent......and he's done an admirable job....is the ONLY DB to play every snap of every game.....
yet....all day yesterday, all I heard was "fans" bitching about him...how he sucks....how he's over paid....yada yada yada..
Clueless fucks that just want to bitch, but dont know where t place it....
Clueless fucks that just want to bitch, but dont know where t place it....
Speaking of which...
What did you think of Pet's postgame presser closing with the bit about Tramon should've had help over the top.
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Speaking of which...
What did you think of Pet's postgame presser closing with the bit about Tramon should've had help over the top.
I havent watched the pressy yet...but watch the play....
Folks are saying Williams "gave up and quit" on the play....when in reality, he just released the WR assuming Gipson was there to take him....
I blame Gipson for not being there....(though you can see him running his ass off trying to get to the play too late)......and Williams reaction afterward pretty much seals thats what happend.....
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First, I want to modify my above reply to h... intelligence creates at least one more possibility:
4. The players aren't smart enough.
Same could apply to the coaches...
We just take guys and try to make them into something they aren't, in a system that is requires perfection at all times from every position, with a coaching staff who doesn't seem to realize the strengths and weaknesses of individual players.
There is another factor, but it runs contrary to your talent assessment. A roster devoid of top talent at a position is a vacuum pulling lesser players into roles they are generally not suited for.
Example: You lose a Haden. It pulls a Williams into the #1 CB role.
But happy accidents also do occur...
You lose a Cameron and uncover a Barnidge... a player no one saw emerging from his 2014, 3rd TE role.
First, I want to modify my above reply to h... intelligence creates at least one more possibility:
4. The players aren't smart enough.
Same could apply to the coaches...
There is another factor, but it runs contrary to your talent assessment. A roster devoid of top talent at a position is a vacuum pulling lesser players into roles they are generally not suited for.
Example: You lose a Haden. It pulls a Williams into the #1 CB role.
But happy accidents also do occur...
You lose a Cameron and uncover a Barnidge... a player no one saw emerging from his 2014, 3rd TE role.
I agree with that, but you can't stock a roster full of #1's at every position and bank on injuries to happen.
It's more sustainable to build from the bottom up, this way the talent differential between #2 and #3 isn't a gigantic gap.
Ideally, I'd say it should be a two-to-one ratio. For every top talent you add, there should be two to the bottom. Not necessarily by position.
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First, I want to modify my above reply to h... intelligence creates at least one more possibility:
4. The players aren't smart enough.
Same could apply to the coaches...
We just take guys and try to make them into something they aren't, in a system that is requires perfection at all times from every position, with a coaching staff who doesn't seem to realize the strengths and weaknesses of individual players.
There is another factor, but it runs contrary to your talent assessment. A roster devoid of top talent at a position is a vacuum pulling lesser players into roles they are generally not suited for.
Example: You lose a Haden. It pulls a Williams into the #1 CB role.
But happy accidents also do occur...
You lose a Cameron and uncover a Barnidge... a player no one saw emerging from his 2014, 3rd TE role.
First, I want to modify my above reply to h... intelligence creates at least one more possibility:
4. The players aren't smart enough.
Same could apply to the coaches...
There is another factor, but it runs contrary to your talent assessment. A roster devoid of top talent at a position is a vacuum pulling lesser players into roles they are generally not suited for.
Example: You lose a Haden. It pulls a Williams into the #1 CB role.
But happy accidents also do occur...
You lose a Cameron and uncover a Barnidge... a player no one saw emerging from his 2014, 3rd TE role.
OK, we didn't bring Williams in to be a #1 corner.
Haven't forgotten the Ravens are even more beat up than we are at critical positions, and they still managed to beat us.
Problem is, either on D or O, you're only as strong as your weakest link. Opposing coordinators seemingly have no problems finding ours.
I'm getting mighty tired seeing opposing teams blow holes in our D-line, and the linebackers can't even step up to fill the gaps.
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He has the body type and experience of a tackle. He's not an interior lineman.
But yes, hopefully the next staff does make him a player. That's the problem with this staff - they were given talent and they can't use them. Farmer did his job, the rest of the staff didn't.
Really? IIRC, Erving was playing center in college.
Bowe? He was inactive. Name someone that fucking played...
OK Tour- if that was maximum effort, you can only draw three conclusions:
1) The talent is horrible.
2) the coaching is horrible.
3) Both of the above.
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He actually said today, that after watching tape there was no loafing. That everyone was giving their effort. If that's true then the players we have suck! If they were giving it all their effort then they don't belong in the NFL! The Browns are 2-10 with the highest defensive payroll in the league!
Why won't Pettine admit they the players are quitting! Did anyone hear what Hartline said after the game? He wouldn't talk to reporters because he didn't want to LOSE HIS JOB!
Pettine is a tyrant who holds a grudge to the detriment of the team. He's not a football coach he's a Nanny! Farmer is another stubborn arrogant tyrant who can't be budged even when he's dead wrong. Both these guys are dragging this team so far down they'll never dig themselves out!
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OK Tour- if that was maximum effort, you can only draw three conclusions:
1) The talent is horrible.
2) the coaching is horrible.
3) Both of the above.
That's what I was thinking. If great effort leads to a 34pt ass kicking, then all that remains is the people in the organization suck.
That's what I was thinking. If great effort leads to a 34pt ass kicking, then all that remains is the people in the organization suck.
Pettine is out of his FREAKING mind! Not one mention of accountability by him or his staff. From what he said; you'd think we just missed the playoffs!
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First, I want to modify my above reply to h... intelligence creates at least one more possibility:
4. The players aren't smart enough.
Same could apply to the coaches...
There is another factor, but it runs contrary to your talent assessment. A roster devoid of top talent at a position is a vacuum pulling lesser players into roles they are generally not suited for.
Example: You lose a Haden. It pulls a Williams into the #1 CB role.
But happy accidents also do occur...
You lose a Cameron and uncover a Barnidge... a player no one saw emerging from his 2014, 3rd TE role.
OK, we didn't bring Williams in to be a #1 corner.
Haven't forgotten the Ravens are even more beat up than we are at critical positions, and they still managed to beat us.
Problem is, either on D or O, you're only as strong as your weakest link. Opposing coordinators seemingly have no problems finding ours.
I'm getting mighty tired seeing opposing teams blow holes in our D-line, and the linebackers can't even step up to fill the gaps.
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Sometimes the race horse that finishes last ran its heart out, problem is it didn't have the talent the rest of the field had.
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Sometimes the race horse that finishes last ran its heart out, problem is it didn't have the talent the rest of the field had.
Sometimes the race horse that finishes last ran its heart out, problem is it didn't have the talent the rest of the field had.
No.....if the race horse ran it's heart out and lost.....Its on the trainer....
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"If you've got a problem with your heart, you don't perform a lobotomy".
- Mike Pettine from the last presser
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Sometimes the race horse that finishes last ran its heart out, problem is it didn't have the talent the rest of the field had.
Sometimes the race horse that finishes last ran its heart out, problem is it didn't have the talent the rest of the field had.
But it doesn't help when the horse was taking the outside on turns because it was poorly trained and guided. Also not helping is the fact that it was a freaking draft horse the trainers tried to turn into a race horse.
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Sometimes the race horse that finishes last ran its heart out, problem is it didn't have the talent the rest of the field had.
No.....if the race horse ran it's heart out and lost.....Its on the trainer....
No.....if the race horse ran it's heart out and lost.....Its on the trainer....
Ahh back to normal. Thought you were starting to see the light. I guess we should blame Pettine/Flip for Erving/Bitonio getting blown up all year. Guess Crow not having vision, Montgomery. Gabriel dropping passes, Edgerly. Haden being in ineffective and in the concussion protocol, Hafley. Safeties not realizing they are the over the top help, Oneil. Blocked FG, Tabor. Place kicker having a range of less than 50 yards, Tabor. Not being able to tackle, Oneil. None of these are schematic issues all football 101.
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Sometimes the race horse that finishes last ran its heart out, problem is it didn't have the talent the rest of the field had.
But it doesn't help when the horse was taking the outside on turns because it was poorly trained and guided. Also not helping is the fact that it was a freaking draft horse the trainers tried to turn into a race horse.
But it doesn't help when the horse was taking the outside on turns because it was poorly trained and guided. Also not helping is the fact that it was a freaking draft horse the trainers tried to turn into a race horse.
We are betting on dog food to win the Triple Crown.
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Post the same thing as yesterday. If fans think it's the coaching then they can believe it can be turned around. If they realize it is a lack of talent then they have to face the reality next year will suck as well. Pettine was a great coach when the team was beating chumps early last year.
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"If you've got a problem with your heart, you don't perform a lobotomy".
- Mike Pettine from the last presser
"If you've got a problem with your heart, you don't perform a lobotomy".
- Mike Pettine from the last presser
EDIT: I had delete my initial comment. The above is taken out of context. Listening to the whole 1:30 it sure sounds like Pettine is getting a subtle dig in on Farmer. He's saying he's doing the best he can with the talent he has available to him.
Haslam is going to have to make a choice which one he wants to keep- Ray or Mike.
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We are betting on dog food to win the Triple Crown.
More like "Glue Factory".
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Brian Hartline: Not every Brown was working his hardestBrowns wide receiver Brian Hartline cited his desire for future employment yesterday, when he declined interview requests after a 37-3 loss to the Bengals.After seeing his comments Monday, we can only imagine what the unfiltered version would have looked like.Via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Hartline was asked if all of his teammates were playing hard until the end of the embarrassing loss.āI wouldnāt say 100 percent, but the majority of the guys [did],ā he replied.He admitted that his self-preservation yesterday was born out of frustration, saying: āI didnāt have anything positive to say. Dinged up, frustated.āAnd today, he was willing to admit the obvious, saying it was: āone of most desolate games weāve seen [in Cleveland] in recent memory.āThat thereās competition underscores the situation there, and having Johnny Manziel back under center may not necessarily buoy their spirits.The rosy cheeked optimism of a 2-3 start has long since gone by the wayside, as seven straight losses will do to a team. And considering how long itās been since the Browns have been competitive, itās no wonder players donāt take a mercenary approach to the rest of the season.While the Browns might not have much future, some of their individual parts might, and those guys should be eager to use the next month as an audition for the rest of the league, or whoever happens to be running things there in the future.
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Of course the Indianapolis Colts granted behind Matt Hasselbeck, and the Minnesota Vikings led by the great Bilgewater, both took it up the ass just as badly as we did.
To whatever extent that makes any difference.
WSS
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No.....if the race horse ran it's heart out and lost.....Its on the trainer....
Ahh back to normal. Thought you were starting to see the light. I guess we should blame Pettine/Flip for Erving/Bitonio getting blown up all year. Guess Crow not having vision, Montgomery. Gabriel dropping passes, Edgerly. Haden being in ineffective and in the concussion protocol, Hafley. Safeties not realizing they are the over the top help, Oneil. Blocked FG, Tabor. Place kicker having a range of less than 50 yards, Tabor. Not being able to tackle, Oneil. None of these are schematic issues all football 101.
Ahh back to normal. Thought you were starting to see the light.
Ahhhh.....nope......I just forgot to use pink......
Pettine is getting a subtle dig in on Farmer. He's saying he's doing the best he can with the talent he has available to him.
Haslam is going to have to make a choice which one he wants to keep- Ray or Mike.
Or Haslem may realize the job isnt done and is willing to read chapter three of the Farmer/Pettine saga....?
While the Browns might not have much future, some of their individual parts might, and those guys should be eager to use the next month as an audition for the rest of the league, or whoever happens to be running things there in the future.
Agreed.....some are auditioning to stay.....some will most certainly leave.....and we all will be watching to see who quits and who fights to the end.....
At this stage, I hope they at least give us, the fans, something.....anything.....just to keep us interested....
So, why not just play Johnny...and Bowe...and Bibbs...and Gilbert...just for shits and giggles.....and some outrageous plays too!
Got nothing to lose but another game, Right?
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Brian Hartline: Not every Brown was working his hardestBrowns wide receiver Brian Hartline cited his desire for future employment yesterday, when he declined interview requests after a 37-3 loss to the Bengals.After seeing his comments Monday, we can only imagine what the unfiltered version would have looked like.Via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Hartline was asked if all of his teammates were playing hard until the end of the embarrassing loss.āI wouldnāt say 100 percent, but the majority of the guys [did],ā he replied.He admitted that his self-preservation yesterday was born out of frustration, saying: āI didnāt have anything positive to say. Dinged up, frustated.āAnd today, he was willing to admit the obvious, saying it was: āone of most desolate games weāve seen [in Cleveland] in recent memory.āThat thereās competition underscores the situation there, and having Johnny Manziel back under center may not necessarily buoy their spirits.The rosy cheeked optimism of a 2-3 start has long since gone by the wayside, as seven straight losses will do to a team. And considering how long itās been since the Browns have been competitive, itās no wonder players donāt take a mercenary approach to the rest of the season.While the Browns might not have much future, some of their individual parts might, and those guys should be eager to use the next month as an audition for the rest of the league, or whoever happens to be running things there in the future.Brian Hartline: Not every Brown was working his hardestBrowns wide receiver Brian Hartline cited his desire for future employment yesterday, when he declined interview requests after a 37-3 loss to the Bengals.After seeing his comments Monday, we can only imagine what the unfiltered version would have looked like.Via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Hartline was asked if all of his teammates were playing hard until the end of the embarrassing loss.āI wouldnāt say 100 percent, but the majority of the guys [did],ā he replied.He admitted that his self-preservation yesterday was born out of frustration, saying: āI didnāt have anything positive to say. Dinged up, frustated.āAnd today, he was willing to admit the obvious, saying it was: āone of most desolate games weāve seen [in Cleveland] in recent memory.āThat thereās competition underscores the situation there, and having Johnny Manziel back under center may not necessarily buoy their spirits.The rosy cheeked optimism of a 2-3 start has long since gone by the wayside, as seven straight losses will do to a team. And considering how long itās been since the Browns have been competitive, itās no wonder players donāt take a mercenary approach to the rest of the season.While the Browns might not have much future, some of their individual parts might, and those guys should be eager to use the next month as an audition for the rest of the league, or whoever happens to be running things there in the future.
But ask people on this board and they'll tell you the guys are playing their hardest out there and Pettine hasn't totally lost control of this team. Despite players saying stuff like this week in and week out.
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