Pettine satisfied with our effort
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He actually said today, that after watching tape there was no loafing. That everyone was giving their effort. If that's true then the players we have suck! If they were giving it all their effort then they don't belong in the NFL! The Browns are 2-10 with the highest defensive payroll in the league!
Why won't Pettine admit they the players are quitting! Did anyone hear what Hartline said after the game? He wouldn't talk to reporters because he didn't want to LOSE HIS JOB!
Pettine is a tyrant who holds a grudge to the detriment of the team. He's not a football coach he's a Nanny! Farmer is another stubborn arrogant tyrant who can't be budged even when he's dead wrong. Both these guys are dragging this team so far down they'll never dig themselves out!
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OK Tour- if that was maximum effort, you can only draw three conclusions:
1) The talent is horrible.
2) the coaching is horrible.
3) Both of the above.
That's what I was thinking. If great effort leads to a 34pt ass kicking, then all that remains is the people in the organization suck.
That's what I was thinking. If great effort leads to a 34pt ass kicking, then all that remains is the people in the organization suck.
Pettine is out of his FREAKING mind! Not one mention of accountability by him or his staff. From what he said; you'd think we just missed the playoffs!
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First, I want to modify my above reply to h... intelligence creates at least one more possibility:
4. The players aren't smart enough.
Same could apply to the coaches...
There is another factor, but it runs contrary to your talent assessment. A roster devoid of top talent at a position is a vacuum pulling lesser players into roles they are generally not suited for.
Example: You lose a Haden. It pulls a Williams into the #1 CB role.
But happy accidents also do occur...
You lose a Cameron and uncover a Barnidge... a player no one saw emerging from his 2014, 3rd TE role.
OK, we didn't bring Williams in to be a #1 corner.
Haven't forgotten the Ravens are even more beat up than we are at critical positions, and they still managed to beat us.
Problem is, either on D or O, you're only as strong as your weakest link. Opposing coordinators seemingly have no problems finding ours.
I'm getting mighty tired seeing opposing teams blow holes in our D-line, and the linebackers can't even step up to fill the gaps.
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Sometimes the race horse that finishes last ran its heart out, problem is it didn't have the talent the rest of the field had.
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Sometimes the race horse that finishes last ran its heart out, problem is it didn't have the talent the rest of the field had.
Sometimes the race horse that finishes last ran its heart out, problem is it didn't have the talent the rest of the field had.
No.....if the race horse ran it's heart out and lost.....Its on the trainer....
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"If you've got a problem with your heart, you don't perform a lobotomy".
- Mike Pettine from the last presser
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Sometimes the race horse that finishes last ran its heart out, problem is it didn't have the talent the rest of the field had.
Sometimes the race horse that finishes last ran its heart out, problem is it didn't have the talent the rest of the field had.
But it doesn't help when the horse was taking the outside on turns because it was poorly trained and guided. Also not helping is the fact that it was a freaking draft horse the trainers tried to turn into a race horse.
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Sometimes the race horse that finishes last ran its heart out, problem is it didn't have the talent the rest of the field had.
No.....if the race horse ran it's heart out and lost.....Its on the trainer....
No.....if the race horse ran it's heart out and lost.....Its on the trainer....
Ahh back to normal. Thought you were starting to see the light. I guess we should blame Pettine/Flip for Erving/Bitonio getting blown up all year. Guess Crow not having vision, Montgomery. Gabriel dropping passes, Edgerly. Haden being in ineffective and in the concussion protocol, Hafley. Safeties not realizing they are the over the top help, Oneil. Blocked FG, Tabor. Place kicker having a range of less than 50 yards, Tabor. Not being able to tackle, Oneil. None of these are schematic issues all football 101.
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Sometimes the race horse that finishes last ran its heart out, problem is it didn't have the talent the rest of the field had.
But it doesn't help when the horse was taking the outside on turns because it was poorly trained and guided. Also not helping is the fact that it was a freaking draft horse the trainers tried to turn into a race horse.
But it doesn't help when the horse was taking the outside on turns because it was poorly trained and guided. Also not helping is the fact that it was a freaking draft horse the trainers tried to turn into a race horse.
We are betting on dog food to win the Triple Crown.
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Post the same thing as yesterday. If fans think it's the coaching then they can believe it can be turned around. If they realize it is a lack of talent then they have to face the reality next year will suck as well. Pettine was a great coach when the team was beating chumps early last year.
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"If you've got a problem with your heart, you don't perform a lobotomy".
- Mike Pettine from the last presser
"If you've got a problem with your heart, you don't perform a lobotomy".
- Mike Pettine from the last presser
EDIT: I had delete my initial comment. The above is taken out of context. Listening to the whole 1:30 it sure sounds like Pettine is getting a subtle dig in on Farmer. He's saying he's doing the best he can with the talent he has available to him.
Haslam is going to have to make a choice which one he wants to keep- Ray or Mike.
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We are betting on dog food to win the Triple Crown.
More like "Glue Factory".
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Brian Hartline: Not every Brown was working his hardestBrowns wide receiver Brian Hartline cited his desire for future employment yesterday, when he declined interview requests after a 37-3 loss to the Bengals.After seeing his comments Monday, we can only imagine what the unfiltered version would have looked like.Via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Hartline was asked if all of his teammates were playing hard until the end of the embarrassing loss.“I wouldn’t say 100 percent, but the majority of the guys [did],” he replied.He admitted that his self-preservation yesterday was born out of frustration, saying: “I didn’t have anything positive to say. Dinged up, frustated.”And today, he was willing to admit the obvious, saying it was: “one of most desolate games we’ve seen [in Cleveland] in recent memory.”That there’s competition underscores the situation there, and having Johnny Manziel back under center may not necessarily buoy their spirits.The rosy cheeked optimism of a 2-3 start has long since gone by the wayside, as seven straight losses will do to a team. And considering how long it’s been since the Browns have been competitive, it’s no wonder players don’t take a mercenary approach to the rest of the season.While the Browns might not have much future, some of their individual parts might, and those guys should be eager to use the next month as an audition for the rest of the league, or whoever happens to be running things there in the future.
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Of course the Indianapolis Colts granted behind Matt Hasselbeck, and the Minnesota Vikings led by the great Bilgewater, both took it up the ass just as badly as we did.
To whatever extent that makes any difference.
WSS
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No.....if the race horse ran it's heart out and lost.....Its on the trainer....
Ahh back to normal. Thought you were starting to see the light. I guess we should blame Pettine/Flip for Erving/Bitonio getting blown up all year. Guess Crow not having vision, Montgomery. Gabriel dropping passes, Edgerly. Haden being in ineffective and in the concussion protocol, Hafley. Safeties not realizing they are the over the top help, Oneil. Blocked FG, Tabor. Place kicker having a range of less than 50 yards, Tabor. Not being able to tackle, Oneil. None of these are schematic issues all football 101.
Ahh back to normal. Thought you were starting to see the light.
Ahhhh.....nope......I just forgot to use pink......
Pettine is getting a subtle dig in on Farmer. He's saying he's doing the best he can with the talent he has available to him.
Haslam is going to have to make a choice which one he wants to keep- Ray or Mike.
Or Haslem may realize the job isnt done and is willing to read chapter three of the Farmer/Pettine saga....?
While the Browns might not have much future, some of their individual parts might, and those guys should be eager to use the next month as an audition for the rest of the league, or whoever happens to be running things there in the future.
Agreed.....some are auditioning to stay.....some will most certainly leave.....and we all will be watching to see who quits and who fights to the end.....
At this stage, I hope they at least give us, the fans, something.....anything.....just to keep us interested....
So, why not just play Johnny...and Bowe...and Bibbs...and Gilbert...just for shits and giggles.....and some outrageous plays too!
Got nothing to lose but another game, Right?
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Brian Hartline: Not every Brown was working his hardestBrowns wide receiver Brian Hartline cited his desire for future employment yesterday, when he declined interview requests after a 37-3 loss to the Bengals.After seeing his comments Monday, we can only imagine what the unfiltered version would have looked like.Via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Hartline was asked if all of his teammates were playing hard until the end of the embarrassing loss.“I wouldn’t say 100 percent, but the majority of the guys [did],” he replied.He admitted that his self-preservation yesterday was born out of frustration, saying: “I didn’t have anything positive to say. Dinged up, frustated.”And today, he was willing to admit the obvious, saying it was: “one of most desolate games we’ve seen [in Cleveland] in recent memory.”That there’s competition underscores the situation there, and having Johnny Manziel back under center may not necessarily buoy their spirits.The rosy cheeked optimism of a 2-3 start has long since gone by the wayside, as seven straight losses will do to a team. And considering how long it’s been since the Browns have been competitive, it’s no wonder players don’t take a mercenary approach to the rest of the season.While the Browns might not have much future, some of their individual parts might, and those guys should be eager to use the next month as an audition for the rest of the league, or whoever happens to be running things there in the future.Brian Hartline: Not every Brown was working his hardestBrowns wide receiver Brian Hartline cited his desire for future employment yesterday, when he declined interview requests after a 37-3 loss to the Bengals.After seeing his comments Monday, we can only imagine what the unfiltered version would have looked like.Via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Hartline was asked if all of his teammates were playing hard until the end of the embarrassing loss.“I wouldn’t say 100 percent, but the majority of the guys [did],” he replied.He admitted that his self-preservation yesterday was born out of frustration, saying: “I didn’t have anything positive to say. Dinged up, frustated.”And today, he was willing to admit the obvious, saying it was: “one of most desolate games we’ve seen [in Cleveland] in recent memory.”That there’s competition underscores the situation there, and having Johnny Manziel back under center may not necessarily buoy their spirits.The rosy cheeked optimism of a 2-3 start has long since gone by the wayside, as seven straight losses will do to a team. And considering how long it’s been since the Browns have been competitive, it’s no wonder players don’t take a mercenary approach to the rest of the season.While the Browns might not have much future, some of their individual parts might, and those guys should be eager to use the next month as an audition for the rest of the league, or whoever happens to be running things there in the future.
But ask people on this board and they'll tell you the guys are playing their hardest out there and Pettine hasn't totally lost control of this team. Despite players saying stuff like this week in and week out.
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Saying "some" guys arent trying their hardest makes sense....
Saying "because" some guys arent trying their hardest means they've lost the team....doesnt.....
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Saying "some" guys arent trying their hardest makes sense....
Saying "because" some guys arent trying their hardest means they've lost the team....doesnt.....
That seems to be the FAs. At least most of them. Why the hell should they care? And getting a successful nfl coach takes about the same process as bringing up a player. GM too.Saying "some" guys arent trying their hardest makes sense....
Saying "because" some guys arent trying their hardest means they've lost the team....doesnt.....
If a farmer plants a field of corn, gets 2 rows planted then fired for another farmer and he starts planting beans then fired after 2 rows and so on. You end up with a lot of good food but it gets ripe at varying times, takes more equipment and the farm ends up a mess. We have not once wait long enough to get a complete crop in the ground. Even if it's not the greatest producer, it's still better than the mess you had and makes it much easier to work long term.
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Saying "some" guys arent trying their hardest makes sense....
Saying "because" some guys arent trying their hardest means they've lost the team....doesnt.....
Saying "some" guys arent trying their hardest makes sense....
Saying "because" some guys arent trying their hardest means they've lost the team....doesnt.....
We're just going to agree to disagree but I see it on the field and read between the lines of what a good amount of players are saying. I just don't see how someone doesn't correlate a teams effort being because in large part the coach doesn't have the locker room. I know the browns suck but Sunday's game was pathetic. It was not (IMO) guys trying hard but just being bad-it was guys half-assing it and going through the motions. There's a clear difference between the two in my book.
It'll come out in the wash sooner than later but I just don't see it the other way around. It's really hard for me to look at guys like the Williams x2, Whitner, Starks and Haden before he got hurt amongst other dudes and think they've regressed that badly, it just doesn't make sense.
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Speaking of which...
What did you think of Pet's postgame presser closing with the bit about Tramon should've had help over the top.
I havent watched the pressy yet...but watch the play....
Folks are saying Williams "gave up and quit" on the play....when in reality, he just released the WR assuming Gipson was there to take him....
I blame Gipson for not being there....(though you can see him running his ass off trying to get to the play too late)......and Williams reaction afterward pretty much seals thats what happend.....
I havent watched the pressy yet...but watch the play....
Folks are saying Williams "gave up and quit" on the play....when in reality, he just released the WR assuming Gipson was there to take him....
I blame Gipson for not being there....(though you can see him running his ass off trying to get to the play too late)......and Williams reaction afterward pretty much seals thats what happend.....
In Pettine's press conference, after all the questions were answered, he specifically said, "Wait, I want to address the AJ Green touchdown play. Tramon should've had over the top help there, so that's what happened there." I'm paraphrasing there, so don't quote me exactly, but that was the gist of it. I've NEVER seen Pettine go out of his way to talk about a particular play, and he did it there. He wanted to make sure Tramon was "cleared", but at the same time he completely threw Gipson under the bus on that play. The thing is, when you look at where Gipson was lined up, how in the WORLD could he have gotten there in time? Our radio show even talked about it, and Wilhem said it would've been impossible for Gipson to get there, and the entire play doesn't make sense. We should've called a timeout when we noticed we weren't in the correct formation. We were also out of formation when Dalton ran that sneak in from the 3 or 4. Ugh.
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I havent watched the pressy yet...but watch the play....
Folks are saying Williams "gave up and quit" on the play....when in reality, he just released the WR assuming Gipson was there to take him....
I blame Gipson for not being there....(though you can see him running his ass off trying to get to the play too late)......and Williams reaction afterward pretty much seals thats what happend.....
In Pettine's press conference, after all the questions were answered, he specifically said, "Wait, I want to address the AJ Green touchdown play. Tramon should've had over the top help there, so that's what happened there." I'm paraphrasing there, so don't quote me exactly, but that was the gist of it. I've NEVER seen Pettine go out of his way to talk about a particular play, and he did it there. He wanted to make sure Tramon was "cleared", but at the same time he completely threw Gipson under the bus on that play. The thing is, when you look at where Gipson was lined up, how in the WORLD could he have gotten there in time? Our radio show even talked about it, and Wilhem said it would've been impossible for Gipson to get there, and the entire play doesn't make sense. We should've called a timeout when we noticed we weren't in the correct formation. We were also out of formation when Dalton ran that sneak in from the 3 or 4. Ugh.
He wanted to make sure Tramon was "cleared", but at the same time he completely threw Gipson under the bus on that play.
I think it's obvious that the players were on different pages there.....and, as with ALL systems, players gotta make reads, then decisions, on the fly....and on this play they read it differently.....
I really think Pettine wanted to get Tramons back, because he's one of the few thats out there balling....and giving 100%....and doing more than he signed up for.....
So......with everyone screaming about Tramon, I think Coach tried to set things straight.....that Tramon aint the problem.....
Gipson on the other hand?......didnt get his $ and is now not playing well....Could it be injury?....or lack of effort?
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