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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    Erving may not even play the rest of the way. He was pulled yesterday for Pasztor, who they may want to give game time to to see how he does. To my untrained eye he was no worse than Erving, and a little better.

    Not to say Erving is a bum, he may be great at center next year.

    @gftchris said:

    Erving may not even play the rest of the way. He was pulled yesterday for Pasztor, who they may want to give game time to to see how he does. To my untrained eye he was no worse than Erving, and a little better.

    Not to say Erving is a bum, he may be great at center next year.

    Called it. Pasztor is starting at LG.

  • Heard Nathan Zagura(Browns Radio) say yesterday that its "certain" & a "foregone conclusion" that Mack is leaving.....and happy to take less to do so......and, considering he broadcasts from Browns headquarters and can only say good things about the Browns, I trust he wouldnt say this if it wasnt true.....

    so lets assume that Cam Erving will be our center next year......(and we'll hope he's better at center, than he is at guard)....😉

    LogicIsForSquaresL jiggins7919J 2 Replies

  • It's been said for a couple years that not only doess Alex Mack have very little interest in football itself beyond the means to a paycheck, he has even less in the Cleveland Browns.

    Hopefully Cam will be able to play up to the less than lofty standards Mack set this season.

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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    Heard Nathan Zagura(Browns Radio) say yesterday that its "certain" & a "foregone conclusion" that Mack is leaving.....and happy to take less to do so......and, considering he broadcasts from Browns headquarters and can only say good things about the Browns, I trust he wouldnt say this if it wasnt true.....

    so lets assume that Cam Erving will be our center next year......(and we'll hope he's better at center, than he is at guard)....😉

    @mudfly said:

    Heard Nathan Zagura(Browns Radio) say yesterday that its "certain" & a "foregone conclusion" that Mack is leaving.....and happy to take less to do so......and, considering he broadcasts from Browns headquarters and can only say good things about the Browns, I trust he wouldnt say this if it wasnt true.....

    so lets assume that Cam Erving will be our center next year......(and we'll hope he's better at center, than he is at guard).... 😉

    Didn't Erving play center the last season he was with FSU?

  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

    @mudfly said:

    Heard Nathan Zagura(Browns Radio) say yesterday that its "certain" & a "foregone conclusion" that Mack is leaving.....and happy to take less to do so......and, considering he broadcasts from Browns headquarters and can only say good things about the Browns, I trust he wouldnt say this if it wasnt true.....

    so lets assume that Cam Erving will be our center next year......(and we'll hope he's better at center, than he is at guard).... 😉

    Didn't Erving play center the last season he was with FSU?

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Didn't Erving play center the last season he was with FSU?

    Yes....for 5 games.....and he did pretty well with it.....at least good enough to be considered a C for the draft....

  • I wonder if there's anything to be said for moving Schwartz inside so Cam can play RT.

    gumby73G 1 Reply

  • I'd rather see Mack at LG and Cam at C...

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    I'd rather see Mack at LG and Cam at C...

    @tour2ma said:

    I'd rather see Mack at LG and Cam at C...

    Some discussion on Browns radio this week pretty much leads me to believe that Mack is already gone.....and he's gonna take less $ to go elsewhere.....

    So, Id say....book it.

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @tour2ma said:

    I'd rather see Mack at LG and Cam at C...

    Some discussion on Browns radio this week pretty much leads me to believe that Mack is already gone.....and he's gonna take less $ to go elsewhere.....

    So, Id say....book it.

    @mudfly said:

    Some discussion on Browns radio this week pretty much leads me to believe that Mack is already gone.....and he's gonna take less $ to go elsewhere.....

    So, Id say....book it.

    Well, his play has diminished since his injury last year, ergo...his salary should be diminished. He can take less elsewhere....that doesn't mean elsewhere will actually be any better than what he has here.

    Here is my response to a lot of players who say that they want to go elsewhere because they don't want to stay with a losing team:

    "You were part of that team....had you played better....had you done your job better....the team may not have been as bad".

    Take Mack.....this Browns team COULD have been better if they could have run the ball up the middle better.....they could have won more games if they had controlled those games on the ground better. This team could NOT run the ball.....and a lot of that is on the OL (I agree a lot of it is coaching....but players had their part). I think the Browns could have won 2-3 of those close losses if the OL had blocked better and controlled the line better. So...Mack didn't do his job well....and he contributed to those losses.

    So....maybe, if he goes elsewhere....he can contribute to losing there too the way he did here.

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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mudfly said:

    Some discussion on Browns radio this week pretty much leads me to believe that Mack is already gone.....and he's gonna take less $ to go elsewhere.....

    So, Id say....book it.

    Well, his play has diminished since his injury last year, ergo...his salary should be diminished. He can take less elsewhere....that doesn't mean elsewhere will actually be any better than what he has here.

    Here is my response to a lot of players who say that they want to go elsewhere because they don't want to stay with a losing team:

    "You were part of that team....had you played better....had you done your job better....the team may not have been as bad".

    Take Mack.....this Browns team COULD have been better if they could have run the ball up the middle better.....they could have won more games if they had controlled those games on the ground better. This team could NOT run the ball.....and a lot of that is on the OL (I agree a lot of it is coaching....but players had their part). I think the Browns could have won 2-3 of those close losses if the OL had blocked better and controlled the line better. So...Mack didn't do his job well....and he contributed to those losses.

    So....maybe, if he goes elsewhere....he can contribute to losing there too the way he did here.

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, his play has diminished since his injury last year, ergo...his salary should be diminished. He can take less elsewhere....that doesn't mean elsewhere will actually be any better than what he has here.

    Here is my response to a lot of players who say that they want to go elsewhere because they don't want to stay with a losing team:

    "You were part of that team....had you played better....had you done your job better....the team may not have been as bad".

    Take Mack.....this Browns team COULD have been better if they could have run the ball up the middle better.....they could have won more games if they had controlled those games on the ground better. This team could NOT run the ball.....and a lot of that is on the OL (I agree a lot of it is coaching....but players had their part). I think the Browns could have won 2-3 of those close losses if the OL had blocked better and controlled the line better. So...Mack didn't do his job well....and he contributed to those losses.

    So....maybe, if he goes elsewhere....he can contribute to losing there too the way he did here.

    And I guarantee his sub-par play post injury is not lost on any team even considering him at this point. And the question will be was it the injury or the attitude? And do we take a chance if it was either or both?

  • I can see Mack getting a deal that has a reduced base, but incentives near his current deal should he return to his pre-injury form. Bonuses for making All-Pro are not unusual.

    Side note: Just caught a bit of "Draft Day" surfing channels a couple nites ago. The scene were Sonny is talking to the Strength Coach. Noted for the first time it was Alex lifting off to their right.

    Side Note #2: Just looked at Alex's PFR page and did not remember that we picked Alex after trading down two, Rnd-1 spots with Philly in 2009. Philly took Jeremy Maclin further reinforcing our Day 1, WR aversion.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    I can see Mack getting a deal that has a reduced base, but incentives near his current deal should he return to his pre-injury form. Bonuses for making All-Pro are not unusual.

    Side note: Just caught a bit of "Draft Day" surfing channels a couple nites ago. The scene were Sonny is talking to the Strength Coach. Noted for the first time it was Alex lifting off to their right.

    Side Note #2: Just looked at Alex's PFR page and did not remember that we picked Alex after trading down two, Rnd-1 spots with Philly in 2009. Philly took Jeremy Maclin further reinforcing our Day 1, WR aversion.

    @tour2ma said:

    I can see Mack getting a deal that has a reduced base, but incentives near his current deal should he return to his pre-injury form. Bonuses for making All-Pro are not unusual.

    Side note: Just caught a bit of "Draft Day" surfing channels a couple nites ago. The scene were Sonny is talking to the Strength Coach. Noted for the first time it was Alex lifting off to their right.

    Side Note #2: Just looked at Alex's PFR page and did not remember that we picked Alex after trading down two, Rnd-1 spots with Philly in 2009. Philly took Jeremy Maclin further reinforcing our Day 1, WR aversion.

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  • W wargograw

    I wonder if there's anything to be said for moving Schwartz inside so Cam can play RT.

    @wargograw said:

    I wonder if there's anything to be said for moving Schwartz inside so Cam can play RT.

    I agree with you. Cam just saw the monsters get bigger & faster in the NFL game. Any position Cam has 3 problems. pad level high, poor footwork(out of balance), add weight & strength. His feet & pad level is more suited for tackle. At C he will get blown up with size of NT's. At G he is already getting ragdolled by smaller NT's that are quicker. During camp they pushed him at T & to me he's is a project that needs time to adjust his body & footwork to 1 position on the line & not 3..

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  • gumby73G gumby73

    @wargograw said:

    I wonder if there's anything to be said for moving Schwartz inside so Cam can play RT.

    I agree with you. Cam just saw the monsters get bigger & faster in the NFL game. Any position Cam has 3 problems. pad level high, poor footwork(out of balance), add weight & strength. His feet & pad level is more suited for tackle. At C he will get blown up with size of NT's. At G he is already getting ragdolled by smaller NT's that are quicker. During camp they pushed him at T & to me he's is a project that needs time to adjust his body & footwork to 1 position on the line & not 3..

    @gumby73 said:

    I agree with you. Cam just saw the monsters get bigger & faster in the NFL game. Any position Cam has 3 problems. pad level high, poor footwork(out of balance), add weight & strength. His feet & pad level is more suited for tackle. At C he will get blown up with size of NT's. At G he is already getting ragdolled by smaller NT's that are quicker. During camp they pushed him at T & to me he's is a project that needs time to adjust his body & footwork to 1 position on the line & not 3..

    That certainly sounds like a guy that a team with no weapons should throw a first round pick at.

    Z

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  • gumby73G gumby73

    @wargograw said:

    I wonder if there's anything to be said for moving Schwartz inside so Cam can play RT.

    I agree with you. Cam just saw the monsters get bigger & faster in the NFL game. Any position Cam has 3 problems. pad level high, poor footwork(out of balance), add weight & strength. His feet & pad level is more suited for tackle. At C he will get blown up with size of NT's. At G he is already getting ragdolled by smaller NT's that are quicker. During camp they pushed him at T & to me he's is a project that needs time to adjust his body & footwork to 1 position on the line & not 3..

    @gumby73 said:

    I agree with you. Cam just saw the monsters get bigger & faster in the NFL game. Any position Cam has 3 problems. pad level high, poor footwork(out of balance), add weight & strength. His feet & pad level is more suited for tackle. At C he will get blown up with size of NT's. At G he is already getting ragdolled by smaller NT's that are quicker. During camp they pushed him at T & to me he's is a project that needs time to adjust his body & footwork to 1 position on the line & not 3..

    That certainly sounds like a guy that a team with no weapons should throw a first round pick at.

    Z

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mudfly said:

    Some discussion on Browns radio this week pretty much leads me to believe that Mack is already gone.....and he's gonna take less $ to go elsewhere.....

    So, Id say....book it.

    Well, his play has diminished since his injury last year, ergo...his salary should be diminished. He can take less elsewhere....that doesn't mean elsewhere will actually be any better than what he has here.

    Here is my response to a lot of players who say that they want to go elsewhere because they don't want to stay with a losing team:

    "You were part of that team....had you played better....had you done your job better....the team may not have been as bad".

    Take Mack.....this Browns team COULD have been better if they could have run the ball up the middle better.....they could have won more games if they had controlled those games on the ground better. This team could NOT run the ball.....and a lot of that is on the OL (I agree a lot of it is coaching....but players had their part). I think the Browns could have won 2-3 of those close losses if the OL had blocked better and controlled the line better. So...Mack didn't do his job well....and he contributed to those losses.

    So....maybe, if he goes elsewhere....he can contribute to losing there too the way he did here.

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, his play has diminished since his injury last year, ergo...his salary should be diminished. He can take less elsewhere....that doesn't mean elsewhere will actually be any better than what he has here.

    Here is my response to a lot of players who say that they want to go elsewhere because they don't want to stay with a losing team:

    "You were part of that team....had you played better....had you done your job better....the team may not have been as bad".

    Take Mack.....this Browns team COULD have been better if they could have run the ball up the middle better.....they could have won more games if they had controlled those games on the ground better. This team could NOT run the ball.....and a lot of that is on the OL (I agree a lot of it is coaching....but players had their part). I think the Browns could have won 2-3 of those close losses if the OL had blocked better and controlled the line better. So...Mack didn't do his job well....and he contributed to those losses.

    So....maybe, if he goes elsewhere....he can contribute to losing there too the way he did here.

    I think the season went in the shitter when we lost to denver...bingo makes a play finally. I'm trying to guess that he took that int. to the denver 38. From there it would have been what, a 55 yd attempt. All we had to do was get 4-5 more yds. Because we could not run up the middle, our rb takes it wide for a 4 yd loss. From there, there d knew we had to throw and our qb gets sacked which some board memebers put the blame on our qb...bullshit. If we could have run for 4-5 yds, we would have had a chance to win that game...fucking qb was not at fault...our ol sucks...

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  • Z Zombo

    @gumby73 said:

    I agree with you. Cam just saw the monsters get bigger & faster in the NFL game. Any position Cam has 3 problems. pad level high, poor footwork(out of balance), add weight & strength. His feet & pad level is more suited for tackle. At C he will get blown up with size of NT's. At G he is already getting ragdolled by smaller NT's that are quicker. During camp they pushed him at T & to me he's is a project that needs time to adjust his body & footwork to 1 position on the line & not 3..

    That certainly sounds like a guy that a team with no weapons should throw a first round pick at.

    Z

    Zombo said:

    That certainly sounds like a guy that a team with no weapons should throw a first round pick at.

    Z

    Sad but so true in Browns Football Z.. We got caught up with Mackisium cold feet on OL.

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  • B browns52

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, his play has diminished since his injury last year, ergo...his salary should be diminished. He can take less elsewhere....that doesn't mean elsewhere will actually be any better than what he has here.

    Here is my response to a lot of players who say that they want to go elsewhere because they don't want to stay with a losing team:

    "You were part of that team....had you played better....had you done your job better....the team may not have been as bad".

    Take Mack.....this Browns team COULD have been better if they could have run the ball up the middle better.....they could have won more games if they had controlled those games on the ground better. This team could NOT run the ball.....and a lot of that is on the OL (I agree a lot of it is coaching....but players had their part). I think the Browns could have won 2-3 of those close losses if the OL had blocked better and controlled the line better. So...Mack didn't do his job well....and he contributed to those losses.

    So....maybe, if he goes elsewhere....he can contribute to losing there too the way he did here.

    I think the season went in the shitter when we lost to denver...bingo makes a play finally. I'm trying to guess that he took that int. to the denver 38. From there it would have been what, a 55 yd attempt. All we had to do was get 4-5 more yds. Because we could not run up the middle, our rb takes it wide for a 4 yd loss. From there, there d knew we had to throw and our qb gets sacked which some board memebers put the blame on our qb...bullshit. If we could have run for 4-5 yds, we would have had a chance to win that game...fucking qb was not at fault...our ol sucks...

    @browns52 said:

    I think the season went in the shitter when we lost to denver...bingo makes a play finally. I'm trying to guess that he took that int. to the denver 38. From there it would have been what, a 55 yd attempt. All we had to do was get 4-5 more yds. Because we could not run up the middle, our rb takes it wide for a 4 yd loss. From there, there d knew we had to throw and our qb gets sacked which some board memebers put the blame on our qb...bullshit. If we could have run for 4-5 yds, we would have had a chance to win that game...fucking qb was not at fault...our ol sucks...

    That's one game. The second Baltimore game is another. How many rushing yards did we get there? Then there was the Chargers, and Raiders...@39 rushing yard.

    Constantly having to settle for FG attempts.

  • And offensive line without its top guards is in a world of trouble.

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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    Heard Nathan Zagura(Browns Radio) say yesterday that its "certain" & a "foregone conclusion" that Mack is leaving.....and happy to take less to do so......and, considering he broadcasts from Browns headquarters and can only say good things about the Browns, I trust he wouldnt say this if it wasnt true.....

    so lets assume that Cam Erving will be our center next year......(and we'll hope he's better at center, than he is at guard)....😉

    @mudfly said:

    Heard Nathan Zagura(Browns Radio) say yesterday that its "certain" & a "foregone conclusion" that Mack is leaving.....and happy to take less to do so......and, considering he broadcasts from Browns headquarters and can only say good things about the Browns, I trust he wouldnt say this if it wasnt true.....

    so lets assume that Cam Erving will be our center next year......(and we'll hope he's better at center, than he is at guard).... 😉

    I love the radio show, and I feel bad for quoting it so often, but I heard it as well. However, everything I read about Erving before the draft said he was better suited to center or tackle. Yes, the reports said he had versatility to play "anywhere on the line", but we all know that guard was the position he played least. I watched him for several years at FSU, in fact, I watched him play every game. Hell, I remember when he started out on DEFENSE. Erving is a solid player with an elite skill set. Many people felt that way. My hope is that he'll excel at center, which I believe is possible. Erving getting his ass blown apart for a few games is actually not the worst thing on earth. Remember, this guy is well known as a hard worker, and he's smart. Knowing just how much stronger he'll have to get in the offseason will motivate him. Don't write him off guys, I know it looked bad. I know it looked REALLY bad...but he's young, and he's talented.

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