Farmer and Pettine both fired. Official
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Wolf is promising, wouldn't have been promoted by the Packers if that wasn't the case. Expect an out clause in the contract though, he's going to head back to GB once Thompson retires in 2018 if he does well.
Wolf is promising, wouldn't have been promoted by the Packers if that wasn't the case. Expect an out clause in the contract though, he's going to head back to GB once Thompson retires in 2018 if he does well.
Why would he do that if he was really having success here? The tradition of the Browns is nearly as great as the traditions of the Packers.....plus....it is Green Bay. Nice small town. Nothing against it. Like it very much.
But there is no reason to go back there if you are really hitting home runs in Cleveland....which has about an equal rabid fan base.
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Cleaning house seems plausible now: Get rid of Farmer/Pettine/JMZ. Start over.
What? You say the Browns can't do that? It is a sign of instability....just another "here we go again".
Well....we know the guys we have are shitty......so are we supposed to stick with shitty just for the sake of stability?
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Last weeks buzz was Farmer......this weeks buzz is Pettine.......
And, if we clean house AGAIN.....the funny part is that the person most obviously fucking up....over and over.....is Haslem.
This blurb, from the article above, says it all......
"Also, he is the coach of a 3-win team and working for an organization that specializes in firing its head coach every two years or so. It's dumb to give anyone less than three years as a head coach, but Cleveland canning Pettine wouldn't be surprising at this point"
Well said Mud. So Jimmy of all people should understand the rookie mistakes thing should deserve a chance to allow the rookie to overcome the mistakes. We can STILL hire former Baltimore Defensive Coach now serving as Irsay's scapegoat (Chuck Pagano) to join Pettine's staff as our DC here.
The biggest evil here has to be a personnel guy that doesn't even know who Khalil Mack is any more than he knows who Justin Gilbert is. He's had 4 first round picks in just 2 years with only 1 of them looking like he can eventually justify the draft value.
Here's some things I'd like to know about Farmer since he's responsible for our personnel:
Who does he have working for him in the scouting dept?
How much does he weigh their time, energy and research?
Does he have enough scouts since 7 of 12 darftees came from 1 conference?
Does he know the difference between best football ahead vrs best football in the rear view mirror (ie; Dwayne Bowe)?
Here's some things I'd like to know about Farmer since he's responsible for our personnel:
Who does he have working for him in the scouting dept?
How much does he weigh their time, energy and research?
Does he have enough scouts since 7 of 12 darftees came from 1 conference?
Does he know the difference between best football ahead vrs best football in the rear view mirror (ie; Dwayne Bowe)?
Another thing about our "scouting" dept that never gets mentioned......is the PRO scouting dept....
Yep.....all of the discussion centers around our college scouts and preparing for the draft.....but guess what???...
We have PRO scouts whose job it is to prepare pro reports for our coaches each week...so they can game plan....
(I hope no one thinks Pettine and Oneill are actually watching all the game tapes of next weeks opponent and scouting the opponents on their own)......
Nope....Pro scouts watch and prepare condensed scouting reports that the coaches use to get ready....and the coaches coach
A glaring example of where they hurt us would be the first Pittsburg game, where Wilbert Montgomery and Pettine were ripped for not being aware of some changes to Pittsburgs run defense....and we only gained 15 yards or so in that game.....and, man, did they get ripped for not knowing and not being prepared...
People were shocked....like how can ANY pro coach NOT know what kind of defense the opposing team uses...????
But....guess what?.....thats on the scouting dept and the info they brought to our coaches.....not Montgomery or Pettine...
So....who's to say this hasnt happened a lot?.....or that we just dont have a room full of lousy scouts, who cant rate college players OR analyze opposing teams?
An organization runs deep.....way deeper than the 4 guys everyone mentions all the time....GM, HC, OC, DC.....and the 50 other coaches and scouts have a huge influence on everything that happens too......and a new organization is not gonna be able to fill all those 50 jobs with 50 good people right out of the gate.....it takes years....
And if you start fresh every 2 years....it'll never be right....
So....along with finding a quality GM & quality HC....they will also have to find and hire 3 quality coordinators......20+ quality position coaches......a training and fitness staff......and about 30 quality pro & college scouts and administrators....
But....Im sure Haslem will nail it with all 50 of em.....(this time)......
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Here's some things I'd like to know about Farmer since he's responsible for our personnel:
Who does he have working for him in the scouting dept?
How much does he weigh their time, energy and research?
Does he have enough scouts since 7 of 12 darftees came from 1 conference?
Does he know the difference between best football ahead vrs best football in the rear view mirror (ie; Dwayne Bowe)?
Another thing about our "scouting" dept that never gets mentioned......is the PRO scouting dept....
Yep.....all of the discussion centers around our college scouts and preparing for the draft.....but guess what???...
We have PRO scouts whose job it is to prepare pro reports for our coaches each week...so they can game plan....
(I hope no one thinks Pettine and Oneill are actually watching all the game tapes of next weeks opponent and scouting the opponents on their own)......
Nope....Pro scouts watch and prepare condensed scouting reports that the coaches use to get ready....and the coaches coach
A glaring example of where they hurt us would be the first Pittsburg game, where Wilbert Montgomery and Pettine were ripped for not being aware of some changes to Pittsburgs run defense....and we only gained 15 yards or so in that game.....and, man, did they get ripped for not knowing and not being prepared...
People were shocked....like how can ANY pro coach NOT know what kind of defense the opposing team uses...????
But....guess what?.....thats on the scouting dept and the info they brought to our coaches.....not Montgomery or Pettine...
So....who's to say this hasnt happened a lot?.....or that we just dont have a room full of lousy scouts, who cant rate college players OR analyze opposing teams?
An organization runs deep.....way deeper than the 4 guys everyone mentions all the time....GM, HC, OC, DC.....and the 50 other coaches and scouts have a huge influence on everything that happens too......and a new organization is not gonna be able to fill all those 50 jobs with 50 good people right out of the gate.....it takes years....
And if you start fresh every 2 years....it'll never be right....
So....along with finding a quality GM & quality HC....they will also have to find and hire 3 quality coordinators......20+ quality position coaches......a training and fitness staff......and about 30 quality pro & college scouts and administrators....
But....Im sure Haslem will nail it with all 50 of em.....(this time)......
From what I've read, neither Farmer or anyone from the Browns scouting dept made contact with Justin Gilbert until after he was drafted. Somebody is not doing their due diligence in the FO.Another thing about our "scouting" dept that never gets mentioned......is the PRO scouting dept....
Yep.....all of the discussion centers around our college scouts and preparing for the draft.....but guess what???...
We have PRO scouts whose job it is to prepare pro reports for our coaches each week...so they can game plan....
(I hope no one thinks Pettine and Oneill are actually watching all the game tapes of next weeks opponent and scouting the opponents on their own)......
Nope....Pro scouts watch and prepare condensed scouting reports that the coaches use to get ready....and the coaches coach
A glaring example of where they hurt us would be the first Pittsburg game, where Wilbert Montgomery and Pettine were ripped for not being aware of some changes to Pittsburgs run defense....and we only gained 15 yards or so in that game.....and, man, did they get ripped for not knowing and not being prepared...
People were shocked....like how can ANY pro coach NOT know what kind of defense the opposing team uses...????
But....guess what?.....thats on the scouting dept and the info they brought to our coaches.....not Montgomery or Pettine...
So....who's to say this hasnt happened a lot?.....or that we just dont have a room full of lousy scouts, who cant rate college players OR analyze opposing teams?
An organization runs deep.....way deeper than the 4 guys everyone mentions all the time....GM, HC, OC, DC.....and the 50 other coaches and scouts have a huge influence on everything that happens too......and a new organization is not gonna be able to fill all those 50 jobs with 50 good people right out of the gate.....it takes years....
And if you start fresh every 2 years....it'll never be right....
So....along with finding a quality GM & quality HC....they will also have to find and hire 3 quality coordinators......20+ quality position coaches......a training and fitness staff......and about 30 quality pro & college scouts and administrators....
But....Im sure Haslem will nail it with all 50 of em.....(this time)......
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Brady's Ball Sack said:
I would sure hope so. That's what everyone on this side of the lake is hoping for, and it could definitely happen within 48 hours..
Rex is visibly deflated and for the first time, contrite.. Probably very temporary though..
Our GM is solid. The current DC made a mess of the defensive signal calling, and the players all loved Pettine.
Any GM rumors out there?
If it comes down to it a job is a job, but not often you see a NFL coach retrace his steps... and back into Rex's shadow to boot? Not feeling that...
GM-wise there's Ron Wolf's kid, Eliot... supposedly with Daddy Wolf leading the way in some kind of special advisory role.
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Here's some things I'd like to know about Farmer since he's responsible for our personnel:
Who does he have working for him in the scouting dept?
How much does he weigh their time, energy and research?
Does he have enough scouts since 7 of 12 darftees came from 1 conference?
Does he know the difference between best football ahead vrs best football in the rear view mirror (ie; Dwayne Bowe)?
Another thing about our "scouting" dept that never gets mentioned......is the PRO scouting dept....
Yep.....all of the discussion centers around our college scouts and preparing for the draft.....but guess what???...
We have PRO scouts whose job it is to prepare pro reports for our coaches each week...so they can game plan....
(I hope no one thinks Pettine and Oneill are actually watching all the game tapes of next weeks opponent and scouting the opponents on their own)......
Nope....Pro scouts watch and prepare condensed scouting reports that the coaches use to get ready....and the coaches coach
A glaring example of where they hurt us would be the first Pittsburg game, where Wilbert Montgomery and Pettine were ripped for not being aware of some changes to Pittsburgs run defense....and we only gained 15 yards or so in that game.....and, man, did they get ripped for not knowing and not being prepared...
People were shocked....like how can ANY pro coach NOT know what kind of defense the opposing team uses...????
But....guess what?.....thats on the scouting dept and the info they brought to our coaches.....not Montgomery or Pettine...
So....who's to say this hasnt happened a lot?.....or that we just dont have a room full of lousy scouts, who cant rate college players OR analyze opposing teams?
An organization runs deep.....way deeper than the 4 guys everyone mentions all the time....GM, HC, OC, DC.....and the 50 other coaches and scouts have a huge influence on everything that happens too......and a new organization is not gonna be able to fill all those 50 jobs with 50 good people right out of the gate.....it takes years....
And if you start fresh every 2 years....it'll never be right....
So....along with finding a quality GM & quality HC....they will also have to find and hire 3 quality coordinators......20+ quality position coaches......a training and fitness staff......and about 30 quality pro & college scouts and administrators....
But....Im sure Haslem will nail it with all 50 of em.....(this time)......
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I'd vote fire both and keep flip. hire an experienced coach. Hire a kickass GM.
You don't keep an OC as the OC. You don't do that to HC candidates. You hire an HC and let him decide who, if anyone, he holds over from the prior regime.
Just pay the money
It isn't our money, and the team is worth Almost DOUBLE what Jimmy paid for it.
Easier to just offer one of your prized HC candidates a piece of the team...
The problem is that despite the bluster and the pontifications on this board we really don't know anything about the personal dynamics among the three key players.
Agree, but would be shocked if Jimmah did not already have a good sense of this. It is the one thing he should definitely have a feel for when it comes to his direct reports. It has to have been a major piece of the retreat effort in early 2015.
My Bottom Line: I fire Farmer...
As pointed out above ultimately the talent decisions are his. I hated his weird, mid-year presser and all of its movie references. I hated his portrayal of every personnel decision being mutually agreed by all. That's not owning his job... his responsibility. Consensus building is not what earns him his paycheck.
My Bottom Line: I fire Farmer...
As pointed out above ultimately the talent decisions are his. I hated his weird, mid-year presser and all of its movie references. I hated his portrayal of every personnel decision being mutually agreed by all. That's not owning his job... his responsibility. Consensus building is not what earns him his paycheck.
This^^^^ Well said T. If Jimmy knows anything about owning a football organization this "We" should put Farmers nails in his own coffin. Farmer now would look more of a fool to throw Jimmy in "We" for text gate after owning up to it. But?
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Actually pet should get some blame for that. I mean he brought in his buddy, right? He can't sit down with him and get the shit together?
WSS
Yep he is accountable for his staff selections - but if he recognizes there's a problem and fixes it it's not the worst thing in the world.
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My Bottom Line: I fire Farmer...
As pointed out above ultimately the talent decisions are his. I hated his weird, mid-year presser and all of its movie references. I hated his portrayal of every personnel decision being mutually agreed by all. That's not owning his job... his responsibility. Consensus building is not what earns him his paycheck.
This^^^^ Well said T. If Jimmy knows anything about owning a football organization this "We" should put Farmers nails in his own coffin. Farmer now would look more of a fool to throw Jimmy in "We" for text gate after owning up to it. But?
This^^^^ Well said T. If Jimmy knows anything about owning a football organization this "We" should put Farmers nails in his own coffin. Farmer now would look more of a fool to throw Jimmy in "We" for text gate after owning up to it. But?
Nothing special about a football organization in this case, gum... same in business... where I continue to believe/hold-out hope that Jimmah knows near as much as a man of his position should know.
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Actually pet should get some blame for that. I mean he brought in his buddy, right? He can't sit down with him and get the shit together?
WSS
Yep he is accountable for his staff selections - but if he recognizes there's a problem and fixes it it's not the worst thing in the world.
Yep he is accountable for his staff selections - but if he recognizes there's a problem and fixes it it's not the worst thing in the world.
My point is that he's a defensive coordinator as well and should be able to call on your side and say hey let's do this or let's do that. Just firing the guy isn't that tough. Putting the defense back on track is.
WSS
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Take your guess whose fired pettine farmer or both? Also predict when firing will happen!
MY prediction both are fired by 6 pm sunday night
Take your guess whose fired pettine farmer or both? Also predict when firing will happen!
MY prediction both are fired by 6 pm sunday night
Merged yours with the one that was already there.
Certainly sounds like they're both gone...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/browns_mike_pettine_and_ray_fa.html
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I think it should be asked different. Which was more disappointing, offense or defense?
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Cleveland.com reporting everyone to be fired Sunday night
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/browns_mike_pettine_and_ray_fa.html#incart_2box
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
From PFT (based on a report from MKC). . .
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/02/report-browns-will-fire-coach-gm/
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http://thescore.com/nfl.news/926358
Well, its pretty much over. Now on to who will be the new guys in town.
Any guesses?
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Hit the reset every two years. All the teams that continuously make the playoffs do that ?
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Cleveland.com reporting everyone to be fired Sunday night
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/browns_mike_pettine_and_ray_fa.html#incart_2box
Cleveland.com reporting everyone to be fired Sunday night
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/browns_mike_pettine_and_ray_fa.html#incart_2box
Who needs Black Monday when we have Sunken Sunday - on and off the field.
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