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Farmer and Pettine both fired. Official

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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @flugel said:

    Here's some things I'd like to know about Farmer since he's responsible for our personnel:

    Who does he have working for him in the scouting dept?

    How much does he weigh their time, energy and research?

    Does he have enough scouts since 7 of 12 darftees came from 1 conference?

    Does he know the difference between best football ahead vrs best football in the rear view mirror (ie; Dwayne Bowe)?

    Another thing about our "scouting" dept that never gets mentioned......is the PRO scouting dept....

    Yep.....all of the discussion centers around our college scouts and preparing for the draft.....but guess what???...

    We have PRO scouts whose job it is to prepare pro reports for our coaches each week...so they can game plan....

    (I hope no one thinks Pettine and Oneill are actually watching all the game tapes of next weeks opponent and scouting the opponents on their own)......

    Nope....Pro scouts watch and prepare condensed scouting reports that the coaches use to get ready....and the coaches coach

    A glaring example of where they hurt us would be the first Pittsburg game, where Wilbert Montgomery and Pettine were ripped for not being aware of some changes to Pittsburgs run defense....and we only gained 15 yards or so in that game.....and, man, did they get ripped for not knowing and not being prepared...

    People were shocked....like how can ANY pro coach NOT know what kind of defense the opposing team uses...????

    But....guess what?.....thats on the scouting dept and the info they brought to our coaches.....not Montgomery or Pettine...

    So....who's to say this hasnt happened a lot?.....or that we just dont have a room full of lousy scouts, who cant rate college players OR analyze opposing teams?

    An organization runs deep.....way deeper than the 4 guys everyone mentions all the time....GM, HC, OC, DC.....and the 50 other coaches and scouts have a huge influence on everything that happens too......and a new organization is not gonna be able to fill all those 50 jobs with 50 good people right out of the gate.....it takes years....

    And if you start fresh every 2 years....it'll never be right....

    So....along with finding a quality GM & quality HC....they will also have to find and hire 3 quality coordinators......20+ quality position coaches......a training and fitness staff......and about 30 quality pro & college scouts and administrators....

    But....Im sure Haslem will nail it with all 50 of em.....(this time)......😉

    @mudfly said:

    ...or that we just dont have a room full of lousy scouts, who cant rate college players OR analyze opposing teams?

    Dammit... lousy scouting is our job!

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @stillmotion said:

    I'd vote fire both and keep flip. hire an experienced coach. Hire a kickass GM.

    You don't keep an OC as the OC. You don't do that to HC candidates. You hire an HC and let him decide who, if anyone, he holds over from the prior regime.

    @browns149 said:

    Just pay the money

    It isn't our money, and the team is worth Almost DOUBLE what Jimmy paid for it.

    Easier to just offer one of your prized HC candidates a piece of the team...

    @westside-steve said:

    The problem is that despite the bluster and the pontifications on this board we really don't know anything about the personal dynamics among the three key players.

    Agree, but would be shocked if Jimmah did not already have a good sense of this. It is the one thing he should definitely have a feel for when it comes to his direct reports. It has to have been a major piece of the retreat effort in early 2015.

    My Bottom Line: I fire Farmer...

    As pointed out above ultimately the talent decisions are his. I hated his weird, mid-year presser and all of its movie references. I hated his portrayal of every personnel decision being mutually agreed by all. That's not owning his job... his responsibility. Consensus building is not what earns him his paycheck.

    @tour2ma said:

    My Bottom Line: I fire Farmer...

    As pointed out above ultimately the talent decisions are his. I hated his weird, mid-year presser and all of its movie references. I hated his portrayal of every personnel decision being mutually agreed by all. That's not owning his job... his responsibility. Consensus building is not what earns him his paycheck.

    This^^^^ Well said T. If Jimmy knows anything about owning a football organization this "We" should put Farmers nails in his own coffin. Farmer now would look more of a fool to throw Jimmy in "We" for text gate after owning up to it. But?

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  • W Westside Steve

    @bbedward said:

    I agree, but I still want a new DC

    Actually pet should get some blame for that. I mean he brought in his buddy, right? He can't sit down with him and get the shit together?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Actually pet should get some blame for that. I mean he brought in his buddy, right? He can't sit down with him and get the shit together?

    WSS

    Yep he is accountable for his staff selections - but if he recognizes there's a problem and fixes it it's not the worst thing in the world.

    W 1 Reply
  • gumby73G gumby73

    @tour2ma said:

    My Bottom Line: I fire Farmer...

    As pointed out above ultimately the talent decisions are his. I hated his weird, mid-year presser and all of its movie references. I hated his portrayal of every personnel decision being mutually agreed by all. That's not owning his job... his responsibility. Consensus building is not what earns him his paycheck.

    This^^^^ Well said T. If Jimmy knows anything about owning a football organization this "We" should put Farmers nails in his own coffin. Farmer now would look more of a fool to throw Jimmy in "We" for text gate after owning up to it. But?

    @gumby73 said:

    This^^^^ Well said T. If Jimmy knows anything about owning a football organization this "We" should put Farmers nails in his own coffin. Farmer now would look more of a fool to throw Jimmy in "We" for text gate after owning up to it. But?

    Nothing special about a football organization in this case, gum... same in business... where I continue to believe/hold-out hope that Jimmah knows near as much as a man of his position should know.

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  • bbedwardB bbedward

    @westside-steve said:

    Actually pet should get some blame for that. I mean he brought in his buddy, right? He can't sit down with him and get the shit together?

    WSS

    Yep he is accountable for his staff selections - but if he recognizes there's a problem and fixes it it's not the worst thing in the world.

    @bbedward said:

    Yep he is accountable for his staff selections - but if he recognizes there's a problem and fixes it it's not the worst thing in the world.

    My point is that he's a defensive coordinator as well and should be able to call on your side and say hey let's do this or let's do that. Just firing the guy isn't that tough. Putting the defense back on track is.

    WSS

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  • Take your guess whose fired pettine farmer or both? Also predict when firing will happen!

    MY prediction both are fired by 6 pm sunday night

  • B beare

    Take your guess whose fired pettine farmer or both? Also predict when firing will happen!

    MY prediction both are fired by 6 pm sunday night

    @beare said:

    Take your guess whose fired pettine farmer or both? Also predict when firing will happen!

    MY prediction both are fired by 6 pm sunday night

    Merged yours with the one that was already there.

    Certainly sounds like they're both gone...

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/browns_mike_pettine_and_ray_fa.html

  • I think it should be asked different. Which was more disappointing, offense or defense?

  • Cleveland.com reporting everyone to be fired Sunday night

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/browns_mike_pettine_and_ray_fa.html#incart_2box

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
    D BoneD 1 Reply

  • From PFT (based on a report from MKC). . .

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/02/report-browns-will-fire-coach-gm/

    Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney

  • http://thescore.com/nfl.news/926358

    Well, its pretty much over. Now on to who will be the new guys in town.

    Any guesses?

  • Hit the reset every two years. All the teams that continuously make the playoffs do that ?

  • Tacosman is a fucking moron.

  • Browns149B Browns149

    Cleveland.com reporting everyone to be fired Sunday night

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/browns_mike_pettine_and_ray_fa.html#incart_2box

    @browns149 said:

    Who needs Black Monday when we have Sunken Sunday - on and off the field.

  • Groundhog Day - hopefully this time we get the right guys, and by the law of averages, even we can't always pick the wrong guys every time...... Sooner or later we'll screw up and pick the right guys.

  • They are both gone.

    You can't fire Farmer without blowing up yhe whole football organization and you have to fire Farmer ... don't you?

    Z

  • Football President of operations will be Gruden. GM Tilton and coach Jackson. Book it Danno

  • Haslam should include in his last words an apology for sticking him with Manziel.

  • Pettine and the coaches are gone. The new regime should go back to the 4-3 defense and start letting players develop instead of letting them walk.

    The new regime better draft impact players- not projects! If Farmer stays I will tweet him every time Khalil Mack gets another sack he has 15 thru 15 games!

    Draft Joey Bosa, Zeke Elliot and two wide receivers! Then draft Cardale Jones. I also heard it "through the Grapevine" that Peyton Manning will be coming along with Gase. So let Manning be a role model for Jones!

    Whoever they hire must have vision for the present as well as the future. Pettine had tunnel vision and was a stubborn ass!

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
    T 1 Reply

  • The Browns plan to move on from general manager Ray Farmer and head coach Mike Pettine after Sunday’s season finale, a Cleveland.com report Saturday said.

    The report by Mary Kay Cabot quoted sources as saying team owner Jimmy Haslam is inclined to “blow things up” and has already begun seeking out replacements. Though this is the first sourced report of such moves happening — Cabot wrote that interviews with potential replacements could begin as soon as Sunday night — neither move would be a surprise.

    The Browns went 7-9 last year in Pettine’s first season but lost their final five games. They’re 3-12 headed into Sunday’s game vs. the Steelers and have won once since October.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/02/report-browns-will-fire-coach-gm/

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