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Sean Payton Staying In New Orleans

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  • jcam222J jcam222 wrote on
    #15

    I'd give a 2nd and drunk johnnie for Payton and Brees

  • Opal312O Opal312 wrote on
    #16

    Payton would be my first choice if it were possible. He did rebuild the Saints! The down years for New Orleans have little to do with Payton. They have salary cap issues, high priced veterans etc. getting out of there would be the best thing for Payton. Taking the Browns job would be ideal for him. He would chose his quarterback, system, and plenty of cap space.

    Boy oh boy don't get me started because I know we'll never get him. But what a coup that would be.

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
  • Opal312O Opal312

    Payton would be my first choice if it were possible. He did rebuild the Saints! The down years for New Orleans have little to do with Payton. They have salary cap issues, high priced veterans etc. getting out of there would be the best thing for Payton. Taking the Browns job would be ideal for him. He would chose his quarterback, system, and plenty of cap space.

    Boy oh boy don't get me started because I know we'll never get him. But what a coup that would be.

    Opal312O Opal312 wrote on
    #17

    @opal312 said:

    Payton would be my first choice if it were possible. He did rebuild the Saints! The down years for New Orleans have little to do with Payton. They have salary cap issues, high priced veterans etc. getting out of there would be the best thing for Payton. Taking the Browns job would be ideal for him. He would chose his quarterback, system, and plenty of cap space.

    Boy oh boy don't get me started because I know we'll never get him. But what a coup that would be.

    I forgot to mention that Drew Bree's is owed 30 million next year. One of the biggest reasons their defense sucks! Cap room and high priced veterans.

    I'm going to say my Rosary and put a word in for Payton

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
  • R RoyceRolls wrote on
    #18

    I'd be okay with Payton, but only if the Rock is unavailable.

  • Mark OM Mark O

    @westside-steve said:

    Throw in Drew Brees? The guy that sucks if the team is not operating at 100%? The guy who is too short to see over the line? That guy?

    And put him on, wait for it, this team?

    Along with a coach that doesn't want to be here? That's brilliant!

    WSS

    That guy has a super bowl ring...our midget can't show up when he's supposed to.

    W Westside Steve wrote on
    #19

    @mark-o said:

    That guy has a super bowl ring...our midget can't show up when he's supposed to.

    Well then I guess everyone bitching about height is wrong.

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • W Westside Steve

    @mark-o said:

    That guy has a super bowl ring...our midget can't show up when he's supposed to.

    Well then I guess everyone bitching about height is wrong.

    WSS

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #20

    @westside-steve said:

    Well then I guess everyone bitching about height is wrong.

    WSS

    Everyone bitching about height is saying successful short QBs are the exception, not the rule. Brees and Wilson are those exceptions.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @westside-steve said:

    Well then I guess everyone bitching about height is wrong.

    WSS

    Everyone bitching about height is saying successful short QBs are the exception, not the rule. Brees and Wilson are those exceptions.

    W Westside Steve wrote on
    #21

    @gftchris said:

    Everyone bitching about height is saying successful short QBs are the exception, not the rule. Brees and Wilson are those exceptions.

    I think you may be sugar coating the insults but....

    More often my point is proven that shity teams have unsuccessful quarterbacks no matter how tall they are. I would bet dollars to dog sgit that Drew Brees would suck canal water with Mike Pettineso Browns.

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • W Westside Steve

    @gftchris said:

    Everyone bitching about height is saying successful short QBs are the exception, not the rule. Brees and Wilson are those exceptions.

    I think you may be sugar coating the insults but....

    More often my point is proven that shity teams have unsuccessful quarterbacks no matter how tall they are. I would bet dollars to dog sgit that Drew Brees would suck canal water with Mike Pettineso Browns.

    WSS

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #22

    @westside-steve said:

    I think you may be sugar coating the insults but....

    More often my point is proven that shity teams have unsuccessful quarterbacks no matter how tall they are. I would bet dollars to dog sgit that Drew Brees would suck canal water with Mike Pettineso Browns.

    WSS

    You could say that about just about any QB outside of about 3 guys. Put Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton, Russell Wilson, Eli Manning or any of a number of guys back there and you have the same issue of being able to repeat the success outside of that bubble.

  • W Westside Steve wrote on
    #23

    Exactly true. Yet we obsess.

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • One PostO One Post wrote on
    #24

    If you even have an outside shot at Payton go for it.

    https://www.facebook.com/Mike-Black-Sunday-Stories-1780988822148720/?ref=bookmarks
  • One PostO One Post wrote on
    #25

    Been thinking about Payton. I like this idea a lot. He's a great coach and has won. Also with his ties within the coaching and players and he can shuffle a roster. He took a losing team and took them to the SB. That's what the Browns need.

    Also Payton has a demeamer about himself people enjoy. A school kid approach to football wearing baseball caps in a town eager to win would be awesome. Much better than a wannabe badass.

    https://www.facebook.com/Mike-Black-Sunday-Stories-1780988822148720/?ref=bookmarks
  • BrownsKiddB BrownsKidd

    As the title reads. Sean Payton maybe out in NO. I always thought that he might be a great fit for JFF, but alas, JFF has proved, that his head is squarely up his ass and will probably land in Dallas. But I still think Payton would be a good choice. Seasoned coach, SB win, and with the right talent, can have a dynamic offense.

    BUUUUT.... would he even consider coming here with our new state of the art organizational structure?

    B browns52 wrote on
    #26

    @brownskidd said:

    As the title reads. Sean Payton maybe out in NO. I always thought that he might be a great fit for JFF, but alas, JFF has proved, that his head is squarely up his ass and will probably land in Dallas. But I still think Payton would be a good choice. Seasoned coach, SB win, and with the right talent, can have a dynamic offense.

    BUUUUT.... would he even consider coming here with our new state of the art organizational structure?

    per joe banners quote on mike and mike, with this new moneyball type of structure, no decent coach would ever want to get involved with it...dat means sean payton...

  • W Westside Steve

    Seems like a low price for a coach with the ability to take a team to the Superbowl.

    One might wonder why the Saints aren't headed to the championship with the great Drew Brees and such a wonderful coach?

    WSS

    B browns52 wrote on
    #27

    @westside-steve said:

    Seems like a low price for a coach with the ability to take a team to the Superbowl.

    One might wonder why the Saints aren't headed to the championship with the great Drew Brees and such a wonderful coach?

    WSS

    might have something to do with the worse defense ever since the inception of football....don't think that is a drew brees issue...not sure about peyton if he gets involved with drafting players...don't know how there structure is set up...

  • bbedwardB bbedward wrote on
    #28

    We're not getting Sean Peyton - and it has nothing to do with the moneyball tactic.

    At least a dozen NFL teams have started using more advanced metric ideas, such as the patriots. It's not new we just seem the most committed to it.

  • bbedwardB bbedward

    We're not getting Sean Peyton - and it has nothing to do with the moneyball tactic.

    At least a dozen NFL teams have started using more advanced metric ideas, such as the patriots. It's not new we just seem the most committed to it.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #29

    @bbedward said:

    At least a dozen NFL teams have started using more advanced metric ideas, such as the patriots. It's not new we just seem the most committed to it.

    Were we in that dozen-plus prior to two days ago?

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @bbedward said:

    At least a dozen NFL teams have started using more advanced metric ideas, such as the patriots. It's not new we just seem the most committed to it.

    Were we in that dozen-plus prior to two days ago?

    bbedwardB bbedward wrote on
    #30

    @tour2ma said:

    Were we in that dozen-plus prior to two days ago?

    Seems that way, this gives a decent beakdown of it: http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12331388/the-great-analytics-rankings

    At least Banner was into it a little bit, not sure about Farmer - probably why we commissioned the study of the best quarterback which should have made Bridgewater our QB instead of Manziel.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #31

    Great link and a really interesting read... We may be the first "all-in" team in the NFL.

    Interesting read on who has been the biggest proponents. NE springs to mind but Philly and KC, both largely due to Andy Reid, have been leaders in its use. And BLT is high on list as well.

    Also interesting to see us among 9 "Believers" teams while only 4 are considered total "Non-Believers".

    Thanks...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • cvcanedyC cvcanedy wrote on
    #32

    Nfl.com story that he's staying in NO

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • U Unsympathetic wrote on
    #33

    Mike&Mike simply wouldn't entertain the notion that analytics could work, period.

    Doesn't matter that the exact same was said about moneyball..

    If it means we won't draft players with character red flags like Manziel and Gilbert, great.

    If it means we won't draft players who didn't produce in college like Mingo, great.

    If it means we won't draft players who don't want to be in CLE like Twatwater, great.

    I've seen a lot of assertions of the "Conclusions" of analytics... and frankly that's all nonsense inside someone's head.

    There is no one single Analytical Method to Rule Them All.. it's going to be John's Method, and he may not have it tweaked right the first or second time.

    It's just more information for the GM to make decisions. This is essentially saying that the Browns are investing in data - nothing more.

    "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
    bbedwardB Mark OM 2 Replies
  • U Unsympathetic

    Mike&Mike simply wouldn't entertain the notion that analytics could work, period.

    Doesn't matter that the exact same was said about moneyball..

    If it means we won't draft players with character red flags like Manziel and Gilbert, great.

    If it means we won't draft players who didn't produce in college like Mingo, great.

    If it means we won't draft players who don't want to be in CLE like Twatwater, great.

    I've seen a lot of assertions of the "Conclusions" of analytics... and frankly that's all nonsense inside someone's head.

    There is no one single Analytical Method to Rule Them All.. it's going to be John's Method, and he may not have it tweaked right the first or second time.

    It's just more information for the GM to make decisions. This is essentially saying that the Browns are investing in data - nothing more.

    bbedwardB bbedward wrote on
    #34

    @unsympathetic said:

    My take on that was Mike&Mike simply wouldn't entertain the notion that analytics could work, period. Doesn't matter that the exact same was said about baseball..

    Correct application of analytics do work and several NFL teams use them in multiple areas - probably most widely in terms of medical reasons at the moment, but also in terms of some other stuff.

    All in how we apply the data we collect and analyze.

    Regardless, I think Payton's only real interest was the Colts. Pretty much every big name under the sun showed interest in the Colts - including Gruden apparently. Then they extended Pagano...

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