Quinn - Why would you bet the future on him?
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BQ, if I am not mistaken went 2-1 in his 3 NFL starts his 1 loss was due to interception because he had a broken finger. Some may question of the injury but unless you have had a similar injury you really wouldn't understand how weak that finger was due to torn ligaments.
As far as poise and and keeping his head he is a competitor all of us have witnessed that, he has had the training under good coaches coming up through college and there is a reason he was a first round pick. Many beleive or feel he is a Franchise QB. It is his turn to prove to all what he has in his tank and give him this season to show all.
I feel if you give him a RB and 1 or 2 more quality receivers he will become one of the great ones.
BQ, if I am not mistaken went 2-1 in his 3 NFL starts his 1 loss was due to interception because he had a broken finger.
Actually he went 1-2 and his interceptions were both because he failed to see a defender in the passing lane and threw it anyway. Following those interceptions he was sent back to the bench.
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just a small side note: we should stop using eli manning as an example of a good QB. he sucks now, he's always sucked, and he'll continue to suck as long as he's in the league. if his last name weren't manning, he'd be just another guy who got lucky and rode a hot streak to a super bowl. he can't carry a team, can't elevate other guys' play, and isn't an inspiring leader.
the giants win with the running game and defense, and eli basically has to be competent. he's not a top five QB, likely not even a top 10. eli manning is a shitty, overrated quarterback, and, as browns fans, we all know something, if not a lot, about shitty QBs.
just a small side note: we should stop using eli manning as an example of a good QB. he sucks now, he's always sucked, and he'll continue to suck as long as he's in the league. if his last name weren't manning, he'd be just another guy who got lucky and rode a hot streak to a super bowl. he can't carry a team, can't elevate other guys' play, and isn't an inspiring leader.
the giants win with the running game and defense, and eli basically has to be competent. he's not a top five QB, likely not even a top 10. eli manning is a shitty, overrated quarterback, and, as browns fans, we all know something, if not a lot, about shitty QBs.
I disagree. Manning is better than half the QB's in the league, easy. Is he one of the greats? No.
Is he currently one of the top 15 qb's? Yes.
He has more experience and wins than either of our beloved QB's.
And a ring.
He's a solid QB in a league that currently lacks solid QB's.
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BQ, if I am not mistaken went 2-1 in his 3 NFL starts his 1 loss was due to interception because he had a broken finger.
Actually he went 1-2 and his interceptions were both because he failed to see a defender in the passing lane and threw it anyway. Following those interceptions he was sent back to the bench.
Actually he went 1-2 and his interceptions were both because he failed to see a defender in the passing lane and threw it anyway. Following those interceptions he was sent back to the bench.
Wrong as usual. The one on the slant route is as much BE as Quinn. BE made zero effort to get the inside position on that quick slant, which he has to do on a play like that. On that play you have enough time to only determine zone vs. man presnap.
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AdaM said:
He went 1-2, Mr. T.He broke his finger in the first quarter of the Buffalo game (2nd game).
Thanks I wasn't quite sure without looking it up.
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I swear I say this every day: We have given Quinn three games to prove himself, with a banged up offense and a horrible defense. Give it time.
The city of Cleveland needs a billboard up on the interbelt that says "Patience is a virtue"
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I swear I say this every day: We have given Quinn three games to prove himself, with a banged up offense and a horrible defense. Give it time.
The city of Cleveland needs a billboard up on the interbelt that says "Patience is a virtue"
I swear I say this every day: We have given Quinn three games to prove himself, with a banged up offense and a horrible defense. Give it time.
No matter how many games it goes, as long as he keeps shitting his pants on the field BQ Nation will continue to say that it's too small a sample to determine if he can play.
Ken Dorsey got 3 games. Does he get another shot too?
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Is "1" a difficult number for you to remember?
At which point did you lose count? Let's see.......1 and, where was I again?
This is worse than Flugel proclaiming that BQ threw 6 preseason TDs when he really threw 2.
Actually Quinn over his last two preseasons has 4 TDs, 2 INTs and 1 sack http://www.nfl.com/players/bradyquinn/game...amp;season=2007.
DA over the last two preseasons has 1 TD, 1 INT, a lost fumble, and 4 sacks http://www.nfl.com/players/derekanderson/g...amp;season=2007
You should never bring up preseason performance when trying to prop up DA and disparage Quinn. Because DA has not done better in preseason.
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I swear I say this every day: We have given Quinn three games to prove himself, with a banged up offense and a horrible defense. Give it time.
No matter how many games it goes, as long as he keeps shitting his pants on the field BQ Nation will continue to say that it's too small a sample to determine if he can play.
Ken Dorsey got 3 games. Does he get another shot too?
No matter how many games it goes, as long as he keeps shitting his pants on the field BQ Nation will continue to say that it's too small a sample to determine if he can play.
Ken Dorsey got 3 games. Does he get another shot too?
Guess CLE would be better off to continue letting DA shit his pants every week. Like the back half of 2007 w/ the playoffs on the line, or all of 2008, especially against division foes.
Go look at DA' first 3 NFL starts in 2006 vs. BQs first 3 NFL starts in 2008. Who shit the bed?
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I swear I say this every day: We have given Quinn three games to prove himself, with a banged up offense and a horrible defense. Give it time.
No matter how many games it goes, as long as he keeps shitting his pants on the field BQ Nation will continue to say that it's too small a sample to determine if he can play.
Ken Dorsey got 3 games. Does he get another shot too?
No matter how many games it goes, as long as he keeps shitting his pants on the field BQ Nation will continue to say that it's too small a sample to determine if he can play.
Ken Dorsey got 3 games. Does he get another shot too?
Dorsey had his chances throughout the years before he became a Brown. He came to Cleveland to hold a clipboard...Quinn was drafted to run the offense...
Next pointless comment, lum?
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No matter how many games it goes, as long as he keeps shitting his pants on the field BQ Nation will continue to say that it's too small a sample to determine if he can play.
Ken Dorsey got 3 games. Does he get another shot too?
Guess CLE would be better off to continue letting DA shit his pants every week. Like the back half of 2007 w/ the playoffs on the line, or all of 2008, especially against division foes.
Go look at DA' first 3 NFL starts in 2006 vs. BQs first 3 NFL starts in 2008. Who shit the bed?
Masters said:
Guess CLE would be better off to continue letting DA shit his pants every week. Like the back half of 2007 w/ the playoffs on the line, or all of 2008, especially against division foes.Go look at DA' first 3 NFL starts in 2006 vs. BQs first 3 NFL starts in 2008. Who shit the bed?
With Anderson at QB the Browns won 5 of their last 7 in 2007, including 3 of their last 4. How did BQ do in his games? Might want to ask someone other than Mr T.
And go look at the team's DA's first 3 starts came against. And look who BQ played against.
And go ahead and blow off the KC win that won him the job in the first place, cuz it wasn't a "start".
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BQ, if I am not mistaken went 2-1 in his 3 NFL starts his 1 loss was due to interception because he had a broken finger.
Actually he went 1-2 and his interceptions were both because he failed to see a defender in the passing lane and threw it anyway. Following those interceptions he was sent back to the bench.
Actually he went 1-2 and his interceptions were both because he failed to see a defender in the passing lane and threw it anyway. Following those interceptions he was sent back to the bench.
wow lumfaggot don't those throws remind you of what DA did every game including a screen pass he throw for a touchdown agianst the ravens to terell suggs. never saw him did he???
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just a small side note: we should stop using eli manning as an example of a good QB. he sucks now, he's always sucked, and he'll continue to suck as long as he's in the league. if his last name weren't manning, he'd be just another guy who got lucky and rode a hot streak to a super bowl. he can't carry a team, can't elevate other guys' play, and isn't an inspiring leader.
the giants win with the running game and defense, and eli basically has to be competent. he's not a top five QB, likely not even a top 10. eli manning is a shitty, overrated quarterback, and, as browns fans, we all know something, if not a lot, about shitty QBs.
I disagree. Manning is better than half the QB's in the league, easy. Is he one of the greats? No.
Is he currently one of the top 15 qb's? Yes.
He has more experience and wins than either of our beloved QB's.
And a ring.
He's a solid QB in a league that currently lacks solid QB's.
I disagree. Manning is better than half the QB's in the league, easy. Is he one of the greats? No.
Is he currently one of the top 15 qb's? Yes.
He has more experience and wins than either of our beloved QB's.
And a ring.
He's a solid QB in a league that currently lacks solid QB's.
he might be top 15, but i sad top 10. peyton manning, tom brady, ben roethlisberger, donovan mcnabb, philip rivers, carson palmer, jay cutler, drew brees and kurt warner are all easily better than manning, and i'll take matt schaub as the tenth guy who's better than eli manning.
he's in a tier with guys like jake delhomme, jason campbell, david garrard, chad pennington, kyle orton and, at this point in his career, matt hasselbeck, as guys who aren't going to put a team on their backs but are competent. tony romo might be in that group, too, but it's too early to be sure. a season without owens will help establish who he really is.
and eli manning has a ring because of a great defensive gameplan, a solid running game, a miracle grab that the pope himself had to have ordained and an injured CB trying to cover a 6'5" receiver on a fade route.
he had arguably as much to do with his team's super bowl win as brad johnson did for the bucs, trent dilfer did for the ravens and jim mcmahon did for the bears; average QBs have won super bowls before and will win them again in the future unless the league keeps up its trend of outlawing defense.
in summation, eli manning is a decent QB, yes, but there's nothing particularly special about him. he's not the kind of QB you expect to seize the moment in the fourth quarter and lead his team to victory, and those clutch intangibles are what will ultimately keep him from being a top-tier QB. he'll make the top 15, but there's going to be a line of guys in front of him who really are winners, who rise to the occasion, and who don't need luck to pull out a win.
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Masters said:
Guess CLE would be better off to continue letting DA shit his pants every week. Like the back half of 2007 w/ the playoffs on the line, or all of 2008, especially against division foes.Go look at DA' first 3 NFL starts in 2006 vs. BQs first 3 NFL starts in 2008. Who shit the bed?
With Anderson at QB the Browns won 5 of their last 7 in 2007, including 3 of their last 4. How did BQ do in his games? Might want to ask someone other than Mr T.
And go look at the team's DA's first 3 starts came against. And look who BQ played against.
And go ahead and blow off the KC win that won him the job in the first place, cuz it wasn't a "start".
With Anderson at QB the Browns won 5 of their last 7 in 2007, including 3 of their last 4. How did BQ do in his games? Might want to ask someone other than Mr T.
And go look at the team's DA's first 3 starts came against. And look who BQ played against.
And go ahead and blow off the KC win that won him the job in the first place, cuz it wasn't a "start".
You mean the KC game where Frye was moving the ball all over and CLE had a lead when he left hurt (was 11/13 for 1TD, on pace for a much better day than what DA actually had)? You know that Frye guy. The one DA couldn't beat out in camp and that HC that supported DA, supported Frye? The same HC who Willie McGinest supported to the end and thinks DA should start. You getting the point?
It was PIT, BALT, and TB. So it's okay to play like shit against div foes, and throw 4 picks in one game to TB? Dude, that is just bad. 4 INTs in any game is shitting the bed, no matter the opponent.
But they lost the most important game, which included DA throwing 4, count them, 4 INTs. And how did DA do in those last 7 games? 9TDs, 10 INTs, 1 lost fumble. Yup, you should be so proud.
You can harp on Quinn all day. But you continue to not grasp that it isn't about Quinn. You can make him any name from any other school, and he should still get his shot after what DA has shown for the last 20+ starts. All he has shown is zero growth, and erratic arm, and an ability to turn the ball over.
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With Anderson at QB the Browns won 5 of their last 7 in 2007, including 3 of their last 4. How did BQ do in his games? Might want to ask someone other than Mr T.
And go look at the team's DA's first 3 starts came against. And look who BQ played against.
And go ahead and blow off the KC win that won him the job in the first place, cuz it wasn't a "start".
You mean the KC game where Frye was moving the ball all over and CLE had a lead when he left hurt (was 11/13 for 1TD, on pace for a much better day than what DA actually had)? You know that Frye guy. The one DA couldn't beat out in camp and that HC that supported DA, supported Frye? The same HC who Willie McGinest supported to the end and thinks DA should start. You getting the point?
It was PIT, BALT, and TB. So it's okay to play like shit against div foes, and throw 4 picks in one game to TB? Dude, that is just bad. 4 INTs in any game is shitting the bed, no matter the opponent.
But they lost the most important game, which included DA throwing 4, count them, 4 INTs. And how did DA do in those last 7 games? 9TDs, 10 INTs, 1 lost fumble. Yup, you should be so proud.
You can harp on Quinn all day. But you continue to not grasp that it isn't about Quinn. You can make him any name from any other school, and he should still get his shot after what DA has shown for the last 20+ starts. All he has shown is zero growth, and erratic arm, and an ability to turn the ball over.
Masters said:
And how did DA do in those last 7 games? 9TDs, 10 INTs, 1 lost fumble. Yup, you should be so proud.would you like to compare those numbers to any other QBs numbers in the back half of a season in the AFC North?
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Masters said:
And how did DA do in those last 7 games? 9TDs, 10 INTs, 1 lost fumble. Yup, you should be so proud.would you like to compare those numbers to any other QBs numbers in the back half of a season in the AFC North?
would you like to compare those numbers to any other QBs numbers in the back half of a season in the AFC North?
Sure, because I know other QBs weren't throwing 4 INTs to Cincy w/ the playoffs on the line.
The AFC North was only 3 of those 7 games. Would you rather I show the stats w/o those games? It was 7 TDs and 6 INTs. Does that look much better?
And again, it is acceptable to perform badly against div foes, who you have to play 2x's a year?
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No matter how many games it goes, as long as he keeps shitting his pants on the field BQ Nation will continue to say that it's too small a sample to determine if he can play.
Ken Dorsey got 3 games. Does he get another shot too?
Dorsey had his chances throughout the years before he became a Brown. He came to Cleveland to hold a clipboard...Quinn was drafted to run the offense...
Next pointless comment, lum?
Dorsey had his chances throughout the years before he became a Brown. He came to Cleveland to hold a clipboard...Quinn was drafted to run the offense...
Next pointless comment, lum?
Lum doesn't know about Dorsey's other career stops....Are you kidding? That would be way too much info for him.
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@inspecta said:
Lumbergh's excuses is what's wrong with America, no personal responsibility.It's always somebody elses fault, it was Quinns fault that DA shit the bed at the end of the season and t his year because fans wanted Quinn and DA shouldn't have to play under those conditions :rollseyes:
And the beat goes on...
To lumbergh it's his ex wife's new boyfriends fault why he doesn't pay child support or spend time with his kids.
Seeing how this site won't ban Lumberg how about putting an asterick by his name and every post he taints with his disease.
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