The Truth
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I truely believe Ray is a great hire and it's a different set of circumstances this time. As a fan you have to hope you're wrong about Ray.
Oh is that how that's supposed to work....
WSS
That's the best I have. The message board haymaker.Oh is that how that's supposed to work....
WSS
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Why do teams pass on the Browns at will?
No threat from 3-4 - which needs solid line and stud LBs.
The QB only has 3 seconds to throw - less if under center.
Don't care who is at WR - or QB, it's not enough time.
Kind of an O-line problem there. Brownpile
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Offenses know they need quick outs to get the ball out. Especially in case of an
all out blitz. The Browns don't have that explosive, quick twitch, explode off the los and into
breaks wr. They don't. That's why Antonio Brown saves Buthead Rothlicksrapistbooger time and time again.
But he didn't play that last game. And even with the other good receivers, the attemptedrapistblooger couldn't
have the outlet he usually has. Of course the Browns don't have time, defenses know the Browns don't have
any Antonio Brown type of player. So, they double/triple Barnidge, and have a good cb run with Travis Benjamin,
and case closed for the most part. They can go all out on the pass rush with no worry.
You pass rush the steelers, and antonio brown is open quickly somewhere, it doesn't do much good.
I see Braxton Miller being a dynamic addition to the Browns offense in the second round. He is that explosive,
and quick. I think Doctson is gone way before the 32 pick.
Brag all anybody wants to, but without Gronk, and Edelman, and Brady is toast. If a qb doesn't have the
receivers/te to get open quickly, the oline looks bad, and so does the qb.
It's ridiculous to blame other parts of the offense or defense, when another is a major fail. With injuries, the Browns secondary
couldn't do it. Usually, Brady/rapistlicksbooger/Peyton Manning, get the ball out very, very quickly, because
they freakin have somebody to throw to that's open.
It wasn't all of a sudden the oline with the steelers vs Denver, or the oline with Brady not having anybody
really open to throw to,
That's what I get.
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We all know the sincerity of having the # 2 pick in the draft. A wrong move here sets the team back and proof is hindsight from other draft years. A laundry list of qb's we could all name and forget. Some argue "well they weren't that high of a draft pick this year is different." in my strong opinion I would rather have a late first rounder and two second round picks then one in the top two this year. Plain and simple it's a too high of a risk when the Qb's in this draft aren't worthy of a #2 pick. There I said it.
In recent years the only one even close to a sure qb pick was Luck. Wentz and Goff aren't a pimple on his behind. Just using Luck as an example should get the sincerity of it all. You could argue other positions being busts as well but we could all agree that the only O-line position that deserves such a high pick is a LT. JT is the man so Tunsil is out of the question.
Bosa is going #1. Tenn already got their qb last year which makes a lot of sense building through the draft. So why not a qb at # 2 again? Wentz and Goff aren't worthy. Plenty of teams like to trade and plenty of teams can draft well without having the luxury of high picks in each round. Trading down is the smartest thing to do. To assume you're going to get a blue chip Qb in the first rd this year is a huge gamble.
This is a deep draft defensively and stockpiling picks would be the luxury at this point.
As for the running game the Browns seemed to run the ball about midpoint through the season. The offense was moving the ball and keeping the defense off the field. They can build on that. There is free agency coming of course and a shake up on the o-line is enviable.
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I read all the responses btw. If everyone likes you you're doing something wrong.
"One said:
We all know the sincerity of having the # 2 pick in the draft. A wrong move here sets the team back and proof is hindsight from other draft years. A laundry list of qb's we could all name and forget. Some argue "well they weren't that high of a draft pick this year is different." in my strong opinion I would rather have a late first rounder and two second round picks then one in the top two this year. Plain and simple it's a too high of a risk when the Qb's in this draft aren't worthy of a #2 pick. There I said it.
In recent years the only one even close to a sure qb pick was Luck. Wentz and Goff aren't a pimple on his behind. Just using Luck as an example should get the sincerity of it all. You could argue other positions being busts as well but we could all agree that the only O-line position that deserves such a high pick is a LT. JT is the man so Tunsil is out of the question.
Bosa is going #1. Tenn already got their qb last year which makes a lot of sense building through the draft. So why not a qb at # 2 again? Wentz and Goff aren't worthy. Plenty of teams like to trade and plenty of teams can draft well without having the luxury of high picks in each round. Trading down is the smartest thing to do. To assume you're going to get a blue chip Qb in the first rd this year is a huge gamble.
This is a deep draft defensively and stockpiling picks would be the luxury at this point.
As for the running game the Browns seemed to run the ball about midpoint through the season. The offense was moving the ball and keeping the defense off the field. They can build on that. There is free agency coming of course and a shake up on the o-line is enviable.
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I read all the responses btw. If everyone likes you you're doing something wrong.
Conversely, spewing unfounded bullshit for the sake of it doesn't make you a genius.
Ask Skip Bayless, Colin Cowherd or Stephen A. Smith.
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One Post From the Truth said:
Stopping the run defense is key for a winning season. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee. You can't put a band aid on a broken leg.
30th against the run. That's horrible. How do you expect to win games when teams are running at will? It's a problem that needs addressed before anyone worries about another part of this down team.
22nd in rushing. This isn't too bad if a team wasn't 21st in passing. It simply means a non playoff team. So where do you start?
D-line and O-line! You cant run the damn ball or stop anyone. You can't throw a pass laying on your backside. My point...
Worry about getting the car running before you spend money at the store buying precious gifts. All this qb talk is just talk and Jesus Christ himself couldnt qb a team with horrid line play!
Rant over
Due to injuries on their offensive line, the Patriots had 37 offensive line combinations, yet they still made it to the conference championships. Why? Brady has one of the fastest snap-to-release times in the NFL. A franchise QB who can process the field quickly can neutralize the pass rush. Nothing is more important than the franchise QB.
Due to injuries on their offensive line, the Patriots had 37 offensive line combinations, yet they still made it to the conference championships. Why? Brady has one of the fastest snap-to-release times in the NFL. A franchise QB who can process the field quickly can neutralize the pass rush. Nothing is more important than the franchise QB.
yeah remember when Hoyer was really good at getting rid of the ball quick and we were all smitten with him? Turns out that defense's figured out he sucks at certain throws and let him try them anytime he wanted....aaannnnddd we know what happened then. You think maybe Brady's success has a little to do with the insane continuity that the Patriots have had for how many years now? He knows exactly where his WR's are going to be. And for almost his entire career, he's been protected by his O line. He looked a bit more avg last Sunday didn't he? Now why was that? Did his protection break down maybe?
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Took them 5 years, too.
And only after they built a competitive defense did they start winning.
Willing to wait 5 years then?
Is Goff another Cam Newton?
It won't take five years to turn around the Browns. The biggest problem with the team aside from the lack of a franchise QB is the culture, and that's been addressed with the new FO and the most experienced coaching staff we've seen with this iteration of the Browns.
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One Post From the Truth said:
I truely believe Ray is a great hire
That remains to be seen. If they brought in Ray cause they planned on keeping this same group....still think it was a great hire when Scwartz was out there?
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It's easier said than done but stopping the run will work wonders. The Browns secondary can be all they can be ball hawking when the opposing teams have to throw. Think how cool it could be man seeing a NFC West style defense in Cleveland! I'm getting wood and turning all the way brown thinking about it.of course, the other possibility is that the other teams just scored so fast.....
One Post From the Truth said:
It's easier said than done but stopping the run will work wonders. The Browns secondary can be all they can be ball hawking when the opposing teams have to throw. Think how cool it could be man seeing a NFC West style defense in Cleveland! I'm getting wood and turning all the way brown thinking about it.
I'd settle for an AFC north defense.
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Took them 5 years, too.
And only after they built a competitive defense did they start winning.
Willing to wait 5 years then?
Is Goff another Cam Newton?
It won't take five years to turn around the Browns. The biggest problem with the team aside from the lack of a franchise QB is the culture, and that's been addressed with the new FO and the most experienced coaching staff we've seen with this iteration of the Browns.
It won't take five years to turn around the Browns
That would depend on when your clock starts(or started).....if you reset everytime somone gets fired, then I guess we could be at zero....
Or was the turnaround started 3 years ago, when Haslam bought the team?.....because then we are in year 4, right?....this is where Im at.....
Or was it since we were last a good team?.....cause then its 25 years plus?......
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We all know the sincerity of having the # 2 pick in the draft. A wrong move here sets the team back and proof is hindsight from other draft years. A laundry list of qb's we could all name and forget. Some argue "well they weren't that high of a draft pick this year is different." in my strong opinion I would rather have a late first rounder and two second round picks then one in the top two this year. Plain and simple it's a too high of a risk when the Qb's in this draft aren't worthy of a #2 pick. There I said it.
In recent years the only one even close to a sure qb pick was Luck. Wentz and Goff aren't a pimple on his behind. Just using Luck as an example should get the sincerity of it all. You could argue other positions being busts as well but we could all agree that the only O-line position that deserves such a high pick is a LT. JT is the man so Tunsil is out of the question.
Bosa is going #1. Tenn already got their qb last year which makes a lot of sense building through the draft. So why not a qb at # 2 again? Wentz and Goff aren't worthy. Plenty of teams like to trade and plenty of teams can draft well without having the luxury of high picks in each round. Trading down is the smartest thing to do. To assume you're going to get a blue chip Qb in the first rd this year is a huge gamble.
This is a deep draft defensively and stockpiling picks would be the luxury at this point.
As for the running game the Browns seemed to run the ball about midpoint through the season. The offense was moving the ball and keeping the defense off the field. They can build on that. There is free agency coming of course and a shake up on the o-line is enviable.
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I read all the responses btw. If everyone likes you you're doing something wrong.
One Post From the Truth said:
We all know the sincerity of having the # 2 pick in the draft. A wrong move here sets the team back and proof is hindsight from other draft years. A laundry list of qb's we could all name and forget. Some argue "well they weren't that high of a draft pick this year is different." in my strong opinion I would rather have a late first rounder and two second round picks then one in the top two this year. Plain and simple it's a too high of a risk when the Qb's in this draft aren't worthy of a #2 pick. There I said it.
In recent years the only one even close to a sure qb pick was Luck. Wentz and Goff aren't a pimple on his behind. Just using Luck as an example should get the sincerity of it all. You could argue other positions being busts as well but we could all agree that the only O-line position that deserves such a high pick is a LT. JT is the man so Tunsil is out of the question.
Bosa is going #1. Tenn already got their qb last year which makes a lot of sense building through the draft. So why not a qb at # 2 again? Wentz and Goff aren't worthy. Plenty of teams like to trade and plenty of teams can draft well without having the luxury of high picks in each round. Trading down is the smartest thing to do. To assume you're going to get a blue chip Qb in the first rd this year is a huge gamble.
This is a deep draft defensively and stockpiling picks would be the luxury at this point.
As for the running game the Browns seemed to run the ball about midpoint through the season. The offense was moving the ball and keeping the defense off the field. They can build on that. There is free agency coming of course and a shake up on the o-line is enviable.
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I read all the responses btw. If everyone likes you you're doing something wrong.
And when no one "likes you"?
More serious questions:
- Was "sincerity" an example of autocorrect run amuck x2?
- What is the basis for your 2016 QB opinion?
- How close was Luck?
- If Bosa goes #1 and no worthy trade is offered, who is your pick at #2?
- Which positions on the D-side do you think are the deepest and who at those positions are 1st-round worthy?
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Jesus Christ was overrated.
Jesus Christ was overrated.
Jews and Muslims believe that.
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One Post From the Truth said:
Stopping the run defense is key for a winning season. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee. You can't put a band aid on a broken leg.
30th against the run. That's horrible. How do you expect to win games when teams are running at will? It's a problem that needs addressed before anyone worries about another part of this down team.
22nd in rushing. This isn't too bad if a team wasn't 21st in passing. It simply means a non playoff team. So where do you start?
D-line and O-line! You cant run the damn ball or stop anyone. You can't throw a pass laying on your backside. My point...
Worry about getting the car running before you spend money at the store buying precious gifts. All this qb talk is just talk and Jesus Christ himself couldnt qb a team with horrid line play!
Rant over
You start with a franchise qb. The Browns are in a position to draft one. Everything else is background noise. The Panthers did a pretty good job filling in the blanks after they drafted Cam Newton.
You start with a franchise qb. The Browns are in a position to draft one. Everything else is background noise. The Panthers did a pretty good job filling in the blanks after they drafted Cam Newton.
Yes, the Browns are in a position to draft one......but that does not mean there is one there to be drafted.
If these guys really are just a class of Joey Harringtons/Blaine Gabberts/Christian Ponders....then no way should we go for one.
But if Bosa is the next coming of Lawrence Taylor, then we need that as well.
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One Post From the Truth said:
Stopping the run defense is key for a winning season. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee. You can't put a band aid on a broken leg.
30th against the run. That's horrible. How do you expect to win games when teams are running at will? It's a problem that needs addressed before anyone worries about another part of this down team.
22nd in rushing. This isn't too bad if a team wasn't 21st in passing. It simply means a non playoff team. So where do you start?
D-line and O-line! You cant run the damn ball or stop anyone. You can't throw a pass laying on your backside. My point...
Worry about getting the car running before you spend money at the store buying precious gifts. All this qb talk is just talk and Jesus Christ himself couldnt qb a team with horrid line play!
Rant over
Due to injuries on their offensive line, the Patriots had 37 offensive line combinations, yet they still made it to the conference championships. Why? Brady has one of the fastest snap-to-release times in the NFL. A franchise QB who can process the field quickly can neutralize the pass rush. Nothing is more important than the franchise QB.
Due to injuries on their offensive line, the Patriots had 37 offensive line combinations, yet they still made it to the conference championships. Why? Brady has one of the fastest snap-to-release times in the NFL. A franchise QB who can process the field quickly can neutralize the pass rush. Nothing is more important than the franchise QB.
Yes....again...IF that guy is there. Obviously Jamarcus Russell goes #1 and Tom Brady goes #199 you can tell that a lot of times no on knows what a franchise QB looks like or where he will come from. Yes, odds are much better at the top of the draft.
I mean, a lot of people thought that the 1999 QB class was going to challenge the 1983 QB class as the best ever.
Uh...NO....#1 Couch....out after 4 years due to injury. Cade McNown, flop, Akili Smith, flop. Daunte Culpepper, pretty good. Donavan McNabb....borderline HOF.
Certainly nothing like 1983. Even that year Todd Blackledge was the 2d QB chosen and was pretty much a bust.
I guess I would like more certainty if a QB is taken #2. Of course, that is a certainty I can never have.
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You start with a franchise qb. The Browns are in a position to draft one. Everything else is background noise. The Panthers did a pretty good job filling in the blanks after they drafted Cam Newton.
Yes, the Browns are in a position to draft one......but that does not mean there is one there to be drafted.
If these guys really are just a class of Joey Harringtons/Blaine Gabberts/Christian Ponders....then no way should we go for one.
But if Bosa is the next coming of Lawrence Taylor, then we need that as well.
But if Bosa is the next coming of Lawrence Taylor, then we need that as well.
Has anyone made that comparison?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
But if Bosa is the next coming of Lawrence Taylor, then we need that as well.
Has anyone made that comparison?
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So race is the defining difference? Really?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
We all know the sincerity of having the # 2 pick in the draft. A wrong move here sets the team back and proof is hindsight from other draft years. A laundry list of qb's we could all name and forget. Some argue "well they weren't that high of a draft pick this year is different." in my strong opinion I would rather have a late first rounder and two second round picks then one in the top two this year. Plain and simple it's a too high of a risk when the Qb's in this draft aren't worthy of a #2 pick. There I said it.
In recent years the only one even close to a sure qb pick was Luck. Wentz and Goff aren't a pimple on his behind. Just using Luck as an example should get the sincerity of it all. You could argue other positions being busts as well but we could all agree that the only O-line position that deserves such a high pick is a LT. JT is the man so Tunsil is out of the question.
Bosa is going #1. Tenn already got their qb last year which makes a lot of sense building through the draft. So why not a qb at # 2 again? Wentz and Goff aren't worthy. Plenty of teams like to trade and plenty of teams can draft well without having the luxury of high picks in each round. Trading down is the smartest thing to do. To assume you're going to get a blue chip Qb in the first rd this year is a huge gamble.
This is a deep draft defensively and stockpiling picks would be the luxury at this point.
As for the running game the Browns seemed to run the ball about midpoint through the season. The offense was moving the ball and keeping the defense off the field. They can build on that. There is free agency coming of course and a shake up on the o-line is enviable.
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I read all the responses btw. If everyone likes you you're doing something wrong.
One Post From the Truth said:
We all know the sincerity of having the # 2 pick in the draft. 1) a wrong move here sets the team back and proof is hindsight from other draft years. A laundry list of qb's we could all name and forget. Some argue "well they weren't that high of a draft pick this year is different." in my strong opinion I would rather have a late first rounder and two second round picks then one in the top two this year. 2) Plain and simple it's a too high of a risk when the Qb's in this draft aren't worthy of a #2 pick. There I said it.
3) In recent years the only one even close to a sure qb pick was Luck. Wentz and Goff aren't a pimple on his behind. Just using Luck as an example should get the sincerity of it all. You could argue other positions being busts as well but we could all agree that the only O-line position that deserves such a high pick is a LT. JT is the man so Tunsil is out of the question.
Bosa is going #1. Tenn already got their qb last year which makes a lot of sense building through the draft. So why not a qb at # 2 again? Wentz and Goff aren't worthy. Plenty of teams like to trade and plenty of teams can draft well without having the luxury of high picks in each round. 4) Trading down is the smartest thing to do. To assume you're going to get a blue chip Qb in the first rd this year is a huge gamble.
This is a deep draft defensively and stockpiling picks would be the luxury at this point.
As for the running game the Browns seemed to run the ball about midpoint through the season. The offense was moving the ball and keeping the defense off the field. They can build on that. There is free agency coming of course and a shake up on the o-line is enviable.
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I read all the responses btw. If everyone likes you you're doing something wrong.
I'll respond to the parts I put in red in order.
1) Yeah, just ask the Bengals about Akilli Smith, or the Lions about Joey Harrington. However IMHO, this is not the year to be afraid of making a mistake.
2) That's your opinion, and it's not shared by everyone.
3) So sure, let's just wait until another Andrew Luck shows up, and the Browns happen to have the #1 overall pick. Fat chance of that ever happening. Comes up about every 25 years or so. I've said it before- taking the route of building up the defense will land you in Houston's boat- drafting far too low to have a shot at a franchise qb in the year one is available in the draft. Or maybe you think Hackenberg and Cook are prospects on the level of Goff & Wentz? We've gone the #22 pick for qb three times, and flopped badly- three times.
4) Trading down passing on Julio Jones to take Phil Taylor, trading down passing on Kalil Mack to take Justin Gilbert has worked out so well for us. NOT
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We should make everybody call their no doubt sure fire all Pro can't miss selections now so that a year from today we don't have everybody pretending that they wanted Khalil Mack.
WSS
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Sic 'em, Ghoulie...
Jesus Christ was overrated.
Yup... bailed on the pocket way too early...
... and don't even get me started on that whole Gatorade into wine fiasco...
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