More Positive Tests

? AdaM

@booker said:
I guess my big hang up here is how many other USC players are on ROIDS? Geesh...

PFT is reporting that Clay did NOT fail a steroids test.

In response to NFL Draft Bible’s report that USC linebacker Clay Matthews tested positive for steroids at the NFL Scouting Combine, the agent that represents Matthews has issued a denial.

In an e-mail sent to Rick Serritella at NFL Draft Bible from Athletes First vice president and general counsel Mark Humenik stated that neither Matthews or his agents have been informed of any failed drug test. Plus, he added that a lawyer for the league office told him that the NFL hasn’t received notification that any players have tested positive for steroids at the combine.

NFL Draft Bible also reported that USC linebacker Brian Cushing has tested positive for steroids.

Here’s an unabridged copy of the note addressed to NFL Draft Bible, which is the Web site that reported on Matthews and several other players’ allegedly positive tests:

“Our office represents Clay Matthews. Your website is reporting, via unnamed sources including one NFL team, that Clay tested positive for steroids at the NFL Combine. As I’m sure you know, the NFL Policy on Anabolic Steroids and Related Substances clearly states that ‘any Club or Club employee that publicly divulges, directly or indirectly, information concerning positive tests or other violations of this Policy (including numerical summaries or specific names of persons) or otherwise breaches the confidentiality provisions of this Policy is subject to a fine of up to $500,000 by the Commissioner.’

“Further, neither Clay nor our office has received notification of any positive test, whether for steroids or any banned substance. I also have been informed by an attorney at the NFL League Office that they have not received notification from the Independent Administrator of any Draft-eligible players testing positive for steroids during the pre-employment drug testing conducted at this year’s Combine, and likewise, that they have not informed the member NFL clubs of any drug testing results. Govern yourself accordingly.

Sincerely, Mark Humenik Vice President & General Counsel Athletes First”

lemosley01

AdaM said:
PFT is reporting that Clay did NOT fail a steroids test.
Link

In response to NFL Draft Bible’s report that USC linebacker Clay Matthews tested positive for steroids at the NFL Scouting Combine, the agent that represents Matthews has issued a denial.

In an e-mail sent to Rick Serritella at NFL Draft Bible from Athletes First vice president and general counsel Mark Humenik stated that neither Matthews or his agents have been informed of any failed drug test. Plus, he added that a lawyer for the league office told him that the NFL hasn’t received notification that any players have tested positive for steroids at the combine.

NFL Draft Bible also reported that USC linebacker Brian Cushing has tested positive for steroids.

Here’s an unabridged copy of the note addressed to NFL Draft Bible, which is the Web site that reported on Matthews and several other players’ allegedly positive tests:

“Our office represents Clay Matthews. Your website is reporting, via unnamed sources including one NFL team, that Clay tested positive for steroids at the NFL Combine. As I’m sure you know, the NFL Policy on Anabolic Steroids and Related Substances clearly states that ‘any Club or Club employee that publicly divulges, directly or indirectly, information concerning positive tests or other violations of this Policy (including numerical summaries or specific names of persons) or otherwise breaches the confidentiality provisions of this Policy is subject to a fine of up to $500,000 by the Commissioner.’

“Further, neither Clay nor our office has received notification of any positive test, whether for steroids or any banned substance. I also have been informed by an attorney at the NFL League Office that they have not received notification from the Independent Administrator of any Draft-eligible players testing positive for steroids during the pre-employment drug testing conducted at this year’s Combine, and likewise, that they have not informed the member NFL clubs of any drug testing results. Govern yourself accordingly.

Sincerely, Mark Humenik Vice President & General Counsel Athletes First”

That seems to say to me that they don't know the results yet, not that he passed the test.

It's possible someone is getting inside info from the labs before it is released.

? AdaM

@lemosley01 said:
That seems to say to me that they don't know the results yet, not that he passed the test.
It's possible someone is getting inside info from the labs before it is released.

Yeah I suppose, but if thats the case, hope they have an extra 500 large laying around.

Flugel

@riffer-x said:
We've gotten into the juice discussion hardcore here before and my buddy Flugs disagree on a lot ot things regarding the topic. Suffice it to say, I beleive when done correctly roids can greatly benefit the body for years, but the key is educaton, diet, ancillaries etc.

Here's my take:

When used correctly and clincally - they're not supposed to be used for sports. THAT is where the problem comes in. When people and, even worse, young TEENS start taking these - they usually get them and the usage instructions from meatheads not to be confused with doctors.

I look at the Steelers and count caskets and I read Death in the Lockerroom which was VERY similar in summarizing the death and disability counts of the world's most elite athletes that competed in the Olympics. ALOT of them got weird forms of cancer and heart disease. Some thought they were using the best nutrition supplemented with the best training and guess what? They either died or suffered serious ailments from the usage. When you're messing with your endocrine system and DNA for an extended period it's a risk even if there's a black market doctor overseeing it. The Pittsburgh Steelers had the HGH doctor when they won the SB in Detroit. Ben went from Bambi with a terrible knee injury to looking like the Roadrunner escaping Wiley Coyote the next 8 weeks a 5-7 Pitt team would go undefeated against the meat of their schedule. I think this is the SAFE thing you are talking about. They were all closely supervised by the unethical Dr known for his excessive HGH purchases; where they'd pass any drug test. Plus, I'm sure the doctor supervision thing involved a BP cuff, cholesterol screening, etc. Teens don't get this in weight rooms of America though.

I'd LOVE for the game to get cleaned up. I'll know there's LEGIT effort when I see them testing for HGH and testing everyone. It's an industry that grosses billions of $ so they can afford it.

- Tom F.

Tobalaz

Just was watching NFL network.

They reported the steroid tests as hoaxes because that info isn't even released to the teams before a week until the draft.

So we've got a leak in the testing office or someone who is hounding for a story and doesn't give a damn whose name they smear.

Flugel

Aloysius said:
theOBR's Brent "Sobo" Sobleski confirms that Harvin tested positive for weed. Add that to the 12 score on the Wonderlic and the reports that he insulted his former teammates & doesn't take well to tough coaching...I think it's safe to say that he's got some serious intelligence/character red flags.

Believe it or not, I agree with you on these issues. That ain't character - that's stupidity. It sounds like he only got his name right on the Wonderlic to support that. BJ Raji is the same stupidity story. All the previous stuff I read about Harvin was about him wanting to be #1 in the weight room, on the practice field and on game day. What wasn't to like about that from me? You sent me an article of him getting kicked out of a high school game, which had me thinking kid's do stupid things and that was a stupid act on his part. Staying consistent here: ANYONE with dirty urine at the combines has this flaw not just our hand picked favorites. If you're one that thinks everyone takes drugs and gets away with it then you at least have to think anyone getting busted for dirty urine has the thinking capacity of an infant speaking fluid goo-goo-gaa-gaa.

Understanding these are young men today going to an industry willing to pay talented players a minimum of 6 figures, we don't have a place on our roster for guys with a history of dumb acts such as these. If you aren't SMART enough to refrain from risky behaviors that could jeopardize your job interview for an entertainment field that uses the word professional in it's name, I can't see a SMART team taking the risk on you.

For the record, I NEVER said I wanted us to take Andre Smith. I just said it was too bad he blew off his interviews because it was obvious he wasn't a bright kid that was getting zero guidance. Now they're trying to invent a better OT than he was last year so they're looking at body fat percentages in Virginia and they went to a conference that doesn't play any defense to find another kid from Baylor. I wouldn't DRAFT Andre for us; but I think someone like BB would. Someone is going to see the body of work Nick Saban got from the kid and realize that the RIGHT coach got the right goodies from him. No marijuana or steroid concerns here - just the number of brain cells on speaking terms in Andre's dome.

Unfortunately, Donte Stallworth is the same story and he didn't even finish flushing his entire roster bonus down the toilet before he killed someone during his celebratory habits. We're currently eating his cap commitment like Pez from a dispenser.

Tucker has gone AWOL and been suspended for drugs. HOWEVA, alot of people want to see him do well. I swam against the current the day he got busted with dirty urine and said cut his ass. That's not a reliable player - just look at how many games he's missed in 06, 07 and 08 before tallying up excuses for each absence. Our brain trust was calling this guy a team leader at the time. Now you can see why certain walking papers were necessary.

In the era BEFORE salary caps, it was possible for the Oakland Raiders to draft a Scott Davis whom was in jail on draft day. Teams in transition like us can't afford that kind of risk. Don't confuse that with me wanting a MEAN basterd in the Center of our Defense. And this won't be politically correct but I don't care because it's a compliment. Somaons are the strongest people on the planet so they don't need to go Billy Romanowski in justifying why they need to take roids or explain any dirty urine rumors. As we once found with Billy, where there was smoke there was fire inspite of everything he argued about being clean and ultra-scientific in approach. Like it or not, drug abuse includes lying so don't shoot the mailman.

- Tom F.

? Aloysius

@flugel said:
For the record, I NEVER said I wanted us to take Andre Smith. I just said it was too bad he blew off his interviews because it was obvious he wasn't a bright kid that was getting zero guidance. Now they're trying to invent a better OT than he was last year so they're looking at body fat percentages in Virginia and they went to a conference that doesn't play any defense to find another kid from Baylor. I wouldn't DRAFT Andre for us; but I think someone like BB would. Someone is going to see the body of work Nick Saban got from the kid and realize that the RIGHT coach got the right goodies from him. No marijuana or steroid concerns here - just the number of brain cells on speaking terms in Andre's dome.

Actually, there was a report over at theOBR that the Browns do have some degree of interest in Andre Smith. Per the report, there's a sense that Mangini's "regimented" system would be a good fit for Andre, who's not an evil dude...just not very smart and a little bit lazy. Should we trade down from #5, he could be an option.

Personally, I worry about how he'll fare against speed rushers and the complex blitz schemes we face in our division. I think the Florida game gave us a taste of the struggles he might face in the NFL, even at RT. But even if that's the case, you can slide him in to RG and have him be a dominant run-blocker for you...provided you have the right coaching staff and support system to keep his weight in check.

As for the other OT's, don't get down on Jason Smith just yet. Just watched the Baylor-Texas Tech game (to get some more Crabtree), and I was very much impressed with the nastiness he showed in the run game. He's the kind of guy who can handle elite speed rushers - Texas's Sergio Kindle didn't do jack against him, and Tech's coaching staff moved Brandon Williams over to LE because he couldn't do anything against Smith.

Yes, he's a little bit raw, but he could be very good, especially in a zone blocking scheme like Denver's. Dude blocks incredibly well on the move - both he & Max Unger would be absolute studs in that scheme.

Chip Banks

@playgroundlegend said:
I also think this shows the character of Rey Maualuga, he obviously had felt the pressure to do steroids seeing as how his teammates were, and not only were they his teammates but they were also his first round competition, he took the high road knowing that it could cost him a crap ton of money.

Come on . . . that's a lot of assuming to come to a conclusion that from the work on your avatar (amazing work by the way -- really impressive). Do we know how long it takes to cycle steroids out of the system to pass a drug test? Because Rey (or his agent) was smart enough to have him steer clear of steroids before the combine doesn't mean he didn't partake at the Pete Carroll steroid buffet over the last few years. I hate that guy. Every year he manages to loose a game to a far inferior PAC 10 team and he's still credited as being a great college coach.

eggo31

http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Latest/usc_li...t_positive.html

USC LB’s Brian Cushing & Clay Matthews tested positive for steroids at the NFL Scouting Combine, according to various sources, including one NFL team.

ballpeen

Being discussed in the "More Positive Tests" thread....about half way down the page.

eggo31

ok sorry bout the new post then

Oldcrow1945

@inspecta said:
I'll tell you why they can't stop smoking.
Weed is a natural pain killer, thus why it's prescribed to cancer/aids patients. When you play football there is pain, and weed helps not only the player to relax, but also helps with muscle pain and gives them a higher tolerance in the weight room and on the field.

Inspecta, Marijuana is not prescibed to cancer patients for pain. THC,cannebnoids shows no abilty to reduce pain.

It's prescribed to reduce nausea in Chemo patients. That's it. Nothing to do with pain.

There have been recent studies which show that Cannibenoids may also have an anti-carcinogenic effect as well.

These guys are using for recreation...Nothing else. If they wanted a pain reducer, there are plenty of illegal prescription drugs they can obtain on the street. Such as Tramadol or narcotics such as Vicodin.

? Masters

How is it this hasn't been posted yet?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-c...o&type=lgns

The sources said Cushing and Matthews both went straight to Dr. John Lombardo to find out about the reports. The sources said the two players were told by Lombardo, who administers the league’s drug policy, that they had nothing to worry about. The sources said Lombardo further explained to the players that if they had tested positive, they already would have received letters indicating as much. The letters reportedly were sent out three weeks ago, and the sources said that neither player received such a letter.

Representatives for Cushing, Matthews and Davis issued statements asserting that their clients hadn’t tested positive. The sources close to Cushing and Matthews had no personal knowledge of whether the other four players named in the report had received letters.

A statement issued by the NFL also indicated that any players who had tested positive should already have been notified, and explained clubs have not been informed of the results of the drug screenings that were done at the combine.

CLEVELandMILIDH

@oldcrow1945 said:
Inspecta, Marijuana is not prescibed to cancer patients for pain. THC,cannebnoids shows no abilty to reduce pain.
It's prescribed to reduce nausea in Chemo patients. That's it. Nothing to do with pain.

There have been recent studies which show that Cannibenoids may also have an anti-carcinogenic effect as well.

These guys are using for recreation...Nothing else. If they wanted a pain reducer, there are plenty of illegal prescription drugs they can obtain on the street. Such as Tramadol or narcotics such as Vicodin.

theres different strains of marijuana for different types of illness' and chronic pain is treated with marijuana in some states and countries

? Masters

@oldcrow1945 said:
Inspecta, Marijuana is not prescibed to cancer patients for pain. THC,cannebnoids shows no abilty to reduce pain.
It's prescribed to reduce nausea in Chemo patients. That's it. Nothing to do with pain.

There have been recent studies which show that Cannibenoids may also have an anti-carcinogenic effect as well.

These guys are using for recreation...Nothing else. If they wanted a pain reducer, there are plenty of illegal prescription drugs they can obtain on the street. Such as Tramadol or narcotics such as Vicodin.

It is indeed prescribed for pain for some patients (not just the Cancer type of patients).

http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/medica...itions/pain.cfm

sisky fringo

i took roids for asthma. although inhaled i bet they'd show a false positive. or a real positive for that matter. our best O-lineman in '07 used them to come back from illness and we never crucified him. try to avoid the knee-jerk reactions guys, there are still many unknowns.

i'd still grab CMIII w/ a mid to late first, and when he's still playing 10+ years from now this will be all but forgotten. i see big value in drafting genetic durability.

sisky fringo

@oldcrow1945 said:
Inspecta, Marijuana is not prescibed to cancer patients for pain. THC,cannebnoids shows no abilty to reduce pain.
It's prescribed to reduce nausea in Chemo patients. That's it. Nothing to do with pain.

There have been recent studies which show that Cannibenoids may also have an anti-carcinogenic effect as well.

These guys are using for recreation...Nothing else. If they wanted a pain reducer, there are plenty of illegal prescription drugs they can obtain on the street. Such as Tramadol or narcotics such as Vicodin.

WHAT!?!?!?! it most certainly is!

you are flat out wrong and have been seriously misinformed Old Crow. maybe not the 1960's ruderalis variety but today's indica certainly has exceptional medicinal affect and pain killing attributes. don't believe the propogana friend. just ask some cancer users about this if you want some support for my claims. self-exploration debunks government myths every time.

also, the point was made (in another thread maybe?) that vicodin is much more harmful than smoking some weed>i think choco said it. and he's right. long term there's simply no comparison.

Oldcrow1945

@sisky-fringo said:
WHAT!?!?!?! it most certainly is!
you are flat out wrong and have been seriously misinformed Old Crow. maybe not the 1960's ruderalis variety but today's indica certainly has exceptional medicinal affect and pain killing attributes. don't believe the propogana friend. just ask some cancer users about this if you want some support for my claims. self-exploration debunks government myths every time.

also, the point was made (in another thread maybe?) that vicodin is much more harmful than smoking some weed>i think choco said it. and he's right. long term there's simply no comparison.

I know I'm right.....The only pain relief found in canniboid is for those who have serious spinal injuries or damage to the nerves, MS and other serious conditions that have caused the nerves to not function properly and thus the Morphine receptors will not have the disired effect.

Football players are not using for pain relief.

Your implication that my knowledge is purely based on Propaganda is an insult to my intelligence.

Of course there is no comparison in the harmful long term side effects of a narcotics vs. Smoking Marijuana (Except for the lungs)

But who is talking long term here? The discussion is for relief of pain to injured football players.

Oldcrow1945

nmills said:
theres different strains of marijuana for different types of illness' and chronic pain is treated with marijuana in some states and countries

As I said in the response to fringo. It is used as pain relief for patients that have had serious nerve damage and the receptors for the standard pain relievers no longer work.

Even at that, it is still considered to be completely experimental

I'll say it again, Football players are not using for pain relief. If you believe that football players are not using it as recreation then you are burying your head in the sand.

sisky fringo

@oldcrow1945 said:
I know I'm right.....The only pain relief found in canniboid is for those who have serious spinal injuries or damage to the nerves, MS and other serious conditions that have caused the nerves to not function properly and thus the Morphine receptors will not have the disired effect.
Football players are not using for pain relief.

Of course there is no comparison in the harmful long term side effects of a narcotics vs. Smoking Marijuana (Except for the lungs)

But who is talking long term here? The discussion is for relief of pain to injured football players.

you are not right, you are simply the majority.

have you ever used an indica known for it's pain relieving qualities personally? i have. and it does. and if your claims aren't based upon personal experience then i apologize for insulting you, but they most certainly are based upon propoganda because the truth contradicts the claims. you're not alone in this thinking though. it truly is a sad casualty of the so-called American justice system.

even lung damage is now a non-issue due to vaporizers, ghee, green dragon etc.

regarding long term, when you begin taking vicodin for pain it seemingly never ends there, especially when your career sometimes requires pain relief for decades. it's a piece of a bigger problem.

i cannot say personally why people such as football players use cannabis, but i can say w/ absolute certainty that it has positive pain relieving effects.